Because using ur enchantments was never intended

Learning to light attack weave is so difficult.

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ZeroXFF wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

"...and for every person like me there are hundreds who do not follow the forums any more, people who would have become paying customers but didn't because LA weaving is just stupid from a design perspective."

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In fact I do. People I personally tried to get to play this game who refused exactly because of this.

You said "hundreds". I commend you on your brand loyalty in attempting to recruit that many players!

Ah, well, 99% of statistics are made up, and millions of people in here exaggerate the tiniest claims.

Seriously, I don't disagree that LA weaving causes problems, but that is likely after a lot of them become paying customers. I mean, how many people do more than read the top 2-5 reviews of a game before buying it? Most people probably buy the game because they are told to do it. Once in the game, do they really need weaving to get to Level 50, or in the majority of the base game dungeons they are likely to be in? Not really.

Even if they stumble upon LA weaving by accident, they probably think the game has glitched out. Animation cancellation often looks like the game is glitching because of the way the character moves. A lot who notice this probably don't think to improve upon that glitchiness. Maybe the people prone to cheating and exploiting might get an Ah Ha! moment, who knows.

I'm not a fan of the glitchiness they have created, but I think it is a barrier to long term play due to lack of training, not something that really dissuades new players.

The reason they want to introduce this change is simple. The people that can't press buttons on a keyboard, i.e., roleplayers, are the ones who spend the most money in crown store and therefore ZoS has to cater to their whining. In reality little will change, they're still going to be dying from mechanics regardless of their DPS while people who know how to play will only feel minor drops in DPS and still clear content.

Pretty sure it's because of issues with improving the performance of the game, so by slowing the game down a bit would be less obvious

I too roleplay in dungeons but since we can't defeat the boss our roleplay is being stuck for more then 5 months now I can't wait till after the changes to be able to continue our roleplay in nFG

The "necessity to LA weave." Is there really a necessity for the majority of the playerbase and especially for new players? I don't think so. Most content in the game is easily doable without and I am not only talking about open world here, but veteran dungeons and raids. Weaving is a damage increase of 10-25%, depending on the build and builds that depend on weaving for their sets (Siroria, Relequen, etc.) are not even BIS for the majority of PvE content. 50k+ dummy parses are easily possible without weaving and this is far more then enough to do all veteran dungeons and raids without hardmodes. A very large amount of players is losing more damage due to suboptimal builds then weaving. Losing 10k DPS because of weaving is a massive issue, when losing multiple times that by not understanding builds or often playing intentionally playing weak builds is totally fine? Weaving is not the reason why players that do 20k, maybe 30k DPS are not on par with top end players, because light attacks will not be 10-20k DPS for them, as their builds and overall playstyle does not support that anyway.

Peoples preferences on what is "fun" and what things "should" be are subjective. While your friends didn't enjoy the game because things were too fast and they couldn't handle LA weaving, my friends were actually the opposite. When they first played the game, it left a bad impression, and a large reason for that is because they said the combat felt slow, clunky, and boring. That always drove me insane as that's how every single player Elder Scrolls plays, so why does it matter now? You have to pause the game, switch which spells you have in your hands, etc., and then proceed to attack. Being an endgame player in ESO, I know it's quite the opposite from slow. Actually, ESO is incredibly fast compared to its single player counterparts. I'd try to explain this to them, and I even showed my brother (tried getting him into it as well) the difference in combat between Casuals and Endgame players as well. He was actually really surprised (though he doesn't play the game still for other reasons).

As you mentioned @ZeroXFF, ESO is popular despite its fast-action mechanics. It's popular because it carries the "Elder Scrolls" name, which bares a lot of weight behind it. That's why it practically failed on launch, because people thought it'd be Skyrim online, and instead, it was a bland, buggy mess with no guilds, re-used assets, etc. I think a lot of people come into this game still considering it and playing it as though it's a single player Elder Scrolls title when that's the complete opposite of how the combat system works when you actually enter Veteran content. Pre-Veteran content? Absolutely, you can kill everything with just LA's, but don't expect to get through Veteran content with just LA's.
Fact of the matter is, the way ZOS has developed certain mechanics in certain dungs/trials, you literally can't complete them unless your DPS is above a certain threshold, or else you get overwhelmed by mechanics, or you simply die to a timed wipe mechanic. You have to have high DPS to complete this content, and it overwhelms casual players because ZOS has spoon fed them their entire ESO career, up to that point, with things like scaled overlands, battle cry buffs, overland buffs that make your max resources, regen, etc., insanely high pre-CP 160, and so on. Guess what happens when they reach end game? No more buffs. No more battle cry. No more hand holding. And that overwhelms them. ZOS is a parent that spoils their children and gives them freebies without punishment, and the casual players are the children who struggle when it's time to reach adulthood and mommy and daddy aren't there holding their hand anymore, and they actually have to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

Unfortunately, that's no ones fault but ZOS'. ZOS has specifically stated they don't like calling ESO an MMO, but prefer the term, "Online RPG". ESO began development in 2007, and when Skyrim hit shelves in 2011, they began revamping the game to "be more like Skyrim" due to its heavy success (ESO use to be a complete WoW clone, cartoon looking graphics and everything). And there lies the greatest issue. ZOS doesn't really know what it wants. As many others have expressed, ZOS likes to go on about a "vision" they have for the game, but has never actually expressed what this vision is, and how the community, such as Class Reps, can help with that vision. If people knew the vision of the game and what it's to ultimately become, some people would stay/join because it's the vision they share, and other people would leave, because it's not the vision they share (and that's probably why they haven't shared their vision). However, I don't think people like GilliamTheRogue actually care about what the Class Reps have to say anyways. I hear the Class Reps always make recommendations and he basically shuts them all down. Why ZOS hired a die hard NB PvP'er to be in charge instead of someone who actually knows the game and its numbers like Code, Nefas, Liko, TheAsianGod, etc., is beyond me, but that's an issue that's upset Class Reps since apparently he disregards a majority of things they recommend. Perhaps it's because it's not the "vision" that ZOS has for the game? Than they need to share what that is in order for individuals to help when making suggestions.

Now, I'm not saying the vision you have is right/wrong, nor am I saying the vision endgame players is right/wrong. However, when a game launches and you've played it since launch, and it's had a distinct flow to it that hasn't changed for years, that's generally what people recognize it as. The wet cement has dried and that is what players brand it as. ESO has branded its combat system as a fast-paced, resource focused combat system where weaving was unique to it compared to its competitors. Should LA's been nerfed? Absolutely. Should HA's been buffed? Absolutely. But the amount of nerfing/buffing they've done will only negatively impact all communities, both casuals and endgame raiders. A 78% damage reduction on LA's is astronomical. If you've ever parsed on a dummy before using LA's, and then using no LA's, the difference is significant. This will make certain content simply not possible. Godslayers, for example, that're currently achieved, achieve them by an average of 5 minutes to spare. Only 1 console guild has achieved Godslayer so far. If these nerfs go through, the damage will be reduced to a point where nearly no one, especially on consoles, will be able to achieve it. Because while casuals who could barely hit 30k on an Iron Atro might be able to hit 50k on an Iron Atro now, 50k is still only 50k, and that's not anywhere near what you need to get in order to effectively get a Trifecta like that. Mind you, that's only 50k with 100% up times on all types of buffs that Iron Atros give you. Your DPS on a 3mil, or 6mil dummy will still only be around half that, which is definitely not enough to clear endgame content. ZOS use to just nerf the content for being too hard (WGT is perfect example of a dung that was nerfed to the ground several times), which is the better approach, IMO, but with the direction they're heading now, they'll need to further nerf a majority of their content so players can get past the timed wipe mechanics, achieve the speed runs for things like Godslayer, and so on.

And yes, unless they reduce the damage on Bash, Bash weaving will take over in a more critical manner (as high end DPS already bash cancel their LA's for maximum damage). And trust me, if you think casual players thought LA weaving was cancer, wait until they realize they have to Bash cancel now too in order to be relevant, lol. LA's do garbage damage. HA's don't restore resources anymore, and don't do enough damage to justify using it in a real rotation (if they further buffed HA's, it would destroy PvP), as that's time you could be used doing a spammable/laying DoTs, so ultimately, no matter how you look at it, ZOS isn't helping the lower end player, they're actually making it even worse for them and effecting the endgame player in the process.

It might slow things down for dps, but it's going to speed things up for tanks and healers who NEED resources, so LA weaving is not going to decrease or slow anything down. It's only going to push more roles to LA weave and dps to bash. I'm against the changes on the grounds that I am a low APM player due to carpal tunnel and my primary roles of being tank and healer are in danger because I will not be able to LA weave to sustain on them. I don't want to be forced to LA weave on my tank and healer.