What kind of Bretonish content are you hoping to see in the Chapter? Its a given we'll be seeing it.

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Its clear that this chapter isn't going to be just a Nord Chapter it might be set in Skyrim but by the looks of it we'll be getting new Breton focused content. The likely reason is they don't have much room for new Breton High Rock content other then the Isle of Balfiera or some other Island chain. This means they can't do much with them. However that does not mean they can't create new lore to include Bretons in an area that borders High Rock. The new cosmetic we got with the new crates not only matches what the Vampire Lord is wearing on its chest, it has a clear connection to High Rock Vampires and to the Iliac Bay Area. Its the exact same symbol only just worn on the forehead instead of the bare chest area.

Its clear the Vampires of Greymoor are Bretonish or Bretons. Its clear they are going for a mix of Breton and Nordic themes with the chapter and we will indeed be seeing this in the new chapter. There is to much evidence and Circumstance evidence for it.
Evidence for this.
They are returning the Ravenwatch a group of Good Aligned Vampires from High Rock.
The High Vampiric Head Dress matching the exact aesthetic theme of the Vampire Lord. With the lore behind it. The lore they added for it

During one of their infrequent moots, vampires of Iliac Bay honored their leaders with this haunting crownlet. Once adorned, they fed until only fellow vampires remained within screaming distance of the gathering.”—Nalana, Advisor to House Tamrith

The name of Greymoor plus obvious connections to the Gray Host and Dark Moor/Grey Moor more of a Breton themed name then a Nordic name.
The armor Aesthetic of the Greymoor Vampires shows a mix of elven and mannish concepts at least to me it looks like this plus a little bit of Skyrimish aesthetic likely for nostagia reasons into the mix. This is clearly early Breton by its appearance since Bretons are obviously a good choice for such an aesthetic given they are manmer. The descendants of Elves and Humans intermixing. It clearly has that intermixing blend feel to it.

The Hissing Vampire in the Trailer is clearly a Breton, I'm not sure about the enemy vampire lord. We will have to wait and see on that one however it could be he would likely be a breton or redguard. Maybe even a Nord but he will not be Lord Harkon as he won't be the bad guy in this chapter and possibly will not be showing up does not mean we won't see a few referances to him though.

So I do think its likely we will see heavy Nord Aestheic on the Surface but in Black Reach with the Vampire City. I think we will be seeing a heavily Breton/High Rock Aesthetic maybe more ancient and elvish given these vampires would be ancient. Possibly a bit of Dwemer added into the mix and a little Nord since it is Skyrim. The Greymoor chapter as a whole will probably be a mix theme of Nordic/Breton not a pure Nord one. While the Reach might be more Breton/Reachman and Nord. Its part of Skyrim but not controlled by Skyrim at this time. So it would actually be an independent Area and only part of Western Skyrim in name. But it will likely be controled by the Bretonish Reachmen so we will be seeing that. So as much as you guys think its a Skyrim Copy oh boy I think you guys might be in for a Surprise.
So if it is what I think it is and what the evidence I'm seeing to point towards this is and I'm right. What type of new Breton/Highrock content would you like to see here?

Faulgor · March 2020

There might be some Breton-ish content in the Reach DLC later this year, but I don't expect much in Greymoor.

Ideally they'll add Breton group dungeons in Q3, though.

Luke_Flamesword · March 2020

I just want new quality Breton furnitures and house

Eh, but probably if they give any, it will be some creepy, ugly, evil vampire style so nothing good for me personally.

Banana · March 2020

A lack of hand bags and Furballs everywhere is going to be awesome.

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

There might be some Breton-ish content in the Reach DLC later this year, but I don't expect much in Greymoor.

Ideally they'll add Breton group dungeons in Q3, though.

Its possible but I suspect that we will be seeing it with the chapter itself. I don't know in what form but in some form or another possibly in the forms I listed above. Given what the item they added in says the vampires seem to tied to the Iliac Bay region. Which is Highrock, Orsinium and Hammerfell. We got a new Orc house, and we are getting a new redguard style house near the area with the dungeon that houses the remains of a powerful Vampire Werewolf Army. With Urns with the same symbol as the one seen on the mysterious parchment. Confirmed in the German Live stream to be the entrance to Black Reach. Given what we know there is a vampire city down there. Given the Wolf the symbol of Solitude is combined with the Symbol of the Gray Host its likely the symbol for the City of Greymoor the Urn Symbol at least. The Greymoor chapter Symbol likely symbolizes the two cities will play a prominent role in the chapter while Morthal will likely be some kind of mob infested Ruin as shown in the Trailer.

So I do think they are trying to give Dc some love with this chapter. We got a Morrowind Chapter, a Summerset chapter, a Elswyer Chapter and now I think we are getting a Dc Chapter but set in West Skyrim which has no direct ties to the Ep Faction. So given Orcs get a Stronghold long house, a Redguard Dungeon and house that will be released who knows when and then Greymoor which could be the Breton Element to this whole theme plus all the other stuff I listed above. I think its safe to say that we will be seeing some kind of Breton Content. I'm expecting they will be delivering this with the chapter. Or at least I'm hoping that is what they are doing.

Ratzkifal · March 2020

I am hoping to see none.
If we start appropriating chapters for cultures and races other than those at the center, then we'll end up with a less in-depth dive into the culture and races we were actually trying to get to know better.

I do think Bretons and Bosmer deserve an avenue to receive more content considering how their spots on the map are already filled and we have no chapter for them, but I don't think invading other chapters is the right thing to go about it. ZOS needs to figure something out.

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I am hoping to see none.
If we start appropriating chapters for cultures and races other than those at the center, then we'll end up with a less in-depth dive into the culture and races we were actually trying to get to know better.

I do think Bretons and Bosmer deserve an avenue to receive more content considering how their spots on the map are already filled and we have no chapter for them, but I don't think invading other chapters is the right thing to go about it. ZOS needs to figure something out.

Well Solitude is in closer proximity to High Rock. So it would make sense there would be Bretons down that way. High Rock Does border with Skyrim. Though I do think it will be more Vampiric Ancient Bretons that we would be seeing though that so happened to maybe find a cave that led to black reach and they settled down there and decided to build a city down there where they could live in peace and I do think the City itself will be not a mob based city and will have intractable npcs and justice Npcs and quest givers. I'm just wondering how the guards down there will react to Necromancy, Lycanthropy and Vampirism as I'm sure Zenimax would make that a thing even down in a Vampire Controlled City. For all the possible vampire hunters I'm willing to bet killing innocent vampires in a secret vampire city will get you hunted by all of Tamriels Guards. So I think we are going to see that happen.

But anyways it is one way they could do a form of Bretonish Content and it is a bit creative. Plus it doesn't really hurt the lore it expands upon it. Plus people know a lot about Nords because of Tes 5 so having other elements they didn't experience in tes 5 might open up people to this isn't a Tes 5 repeat.

Nemesis7884 · March 2020

Id love to see more breton and woodelf themed armor sets as well as a breton game of thrones political intrigue like storyline

Noxavian · March 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I am hoping to see none.
If we start appropriating chapters for cultures and races other than those at the center, then we'll end up with a less in-depth dive into the culture and races we were actually trying to get to know better.

I do think Bretons and Bosmer deserve an avenue to receive more content considering how their spots on the map are already filled and we have no chapter for them, but I don't think invading other chapters is the right thing to go about it. ZOS needs to figure something out.

I agree with this completely.

I think it's rather foolish to assume at this point us getting breton content is "obvious".

All we've seen is vampires and nords. Even the first 2 dungeons were about not-bretons.

Idk, I'd just wait and see how the chapter is before making such outlandish assumptions, OP.

Mitrenga · March 2020

That was a good read! Thanks for your contribution!

Ilsabet · March 2020

There's one particular Breton I'd like to see... >_>

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I am hoping to see none.
If we start appropriating chapters for cultures and races other than those at the center, then we'll end up with a less in-depth dive into the culture and races we were actually trying to get to know better.

I do think Bretons and Bosmer deserve an avenue to receive more content considering how their spots on the map are already filled and we have no chapter for them, but I don't think invading other chapters is the right thing to go about it. ZOS needs to figure something out.

I agree with this completely.

I think it's rather foolish to assume at this point us getting breton content is "obvious".

All we've seen is vampires and nords. Even the first 2 dungeons were about not-bretons.

Idk, I'd just wait and see how the chapter is before making such outlandish assumptions, OP.

Yeah, your right however It is a hope personally and I do think they are going to do something with them. I do like how they did the Daggerfall Covenant story line quests involving the Bretons in the game.
One thing that is likely though, that can be considered more then an assumption. As I think its kinda obvious where they are going.
The Greymoor Vampires have some connection to the Gray Host or Verkarth Vampires and we are going to likely see that connection to that Group with them. Just in what manner is the interesting question.
What is known about the Grey Host.
It was led by King Styriche a Vampire, at some point he and his army were pushed out of the Hammerfell City of Verkarth and he and most of the Greyhost were slain. The armies corpses were burned and buried in the Unhallowed Grave Location Obviously. However its a good chance some of them did survive or splintered from the Main Group and managed to likely flee into Skyrim and found their way into Black Reach. This can be considered more then a assumption as this is rather obviously going to be the case for the Greymoor Vampires.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bangkorai,_Shield_of_High_Rock
The Gray Host seem to be a unique creation for Eso, so I think they are going to explore in depth more about their history. Its possible we might learn more about how the Ravenwatch group was formed as they are involved with the Greymoor Story as they are returning.
So the Gray Host and Ravenwatch, Both Groups of vampires operate or have once operated in the Iliac Bay region.
The story they are telling seems to be reminiscent of existing stuff that is unique to Eso. The Gray Host and then the Ice Reach Witch Coven will have a heavy role and were once servants to the Former Reach Emperor of Cyrodiil that were cast out after Varen killed him. So Greymoor will be tied to that element also. Which will head towards 4th Quarter. Then possibly into a Cyrodillic Chapter next year. Which I have that impression that is where we are going next year.

The thing about the Gray Host is a heavily part of their downfall was The Empress of Cyrodiil who was also responsible for dealing with the Reachmen. So this storyline likely will have some connections to Empress Hestra and we might find out more about that history since she was heavily involved with Quelling the Gray Host and the Reachman. Its possible we might learn and explore into the History of the Red Eagle which might be something that will come Forth Quarter. Read somewhere or it was posted by someone that Zenimax seems interested in exploring the Red Eagle. They do have a lore book about him too that is Unique to Eso.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Red_Curse
So it wouldn't surprise me if they did explore the Red Eagle. Its possible we might learn more about his history as well.

Clearly we will not be seeing King Styriche as hes dead and likely doing whatever his Master has him doing like trying to get him to kill Vestiges at anchors so the Vampire Lord would have to be someone that is connected to King Styriche. I seriously doubt the Vampire Lord will be connected to Harkon or the Volkihar as they seem to be more interested in Exploring the Gray Host angle and expanding on them giving the urns with their symbol and ashes and the marker to the entrance to Black Reach. They mentioned we will not be dealing much with the Volkihar. The new Cosmetic rules out Harkon as hes a Nord and this item seems more unique to High Rock and surrounding regions. So the Vampire Lord will likely be heavily Connected to the Gray Host and likely the Successor to King Styriche who is reforming the Gray Host Army down in Black Reach and possibly allied with the Ice Reach Witches and the Despot of Markarth. That is speculation but well I think that is where this is going.

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Ilsabet wrote: »

There's one particular Breton I'd like to see... >_>

Darien Gautier?

Nord_Raseri · March 2020

Please, no. It's Nords' time now. And vampires, witches, reachmen, weird glowy swamp caves ...

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Please, no. It's Nords' time now. And vampires, witches, reachmen, weird glowy swamp caves ...

Nords will still get plenty of Time, I'm sure Zenimax has it all worked out. Plus I expect a lot more with Nords when they do the Central Portions of Central Skyrim which might be in a few years. As I doubt we are going there next year. I suspect we will see Lower Nibanay and the Colovian estates next year.

EvilAutoTech · March 2020

To quote Lydia:

Skyrim belongs to the Nords.

Thevampirenight · March 2020

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

To quote Lydia:

Skyrim belongs to the Nords.

You mean the Snow Elves

? They were there first. In all seriousness I think we are going to see those types of Nords as the way they talked these are not the happy go drunk type of Nords these are the serious, grim nords that likely have that mind set. So should be interesting.

Nord_Raseri · March 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

To quote Lydia:

Skyrim belongs to the Nords.

You mean the Snow Elves ? They were there first. In all seriousness I think we are going to see those types of Nords as the way they talked these are not the happy go drunk type of Nords these are the serious, grim nords that likely have that mind set. So should be interesting.

The Nord are "happy go drunk" because of the whole time line not moving forward thing in base game. They're all still in the celebration for the Skald King's 10th year reign. As for the Snow Elves, don't massacre Atmorans, we massacre back, and better

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2020

But Skyrim does belong to the Nords.

All is fair in love and war... Especially war.

Ilsabet · March 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

There's one particular Breton I'd like to see... >_>

Darien Gautier?

Maaaaaaaybe.

luen79rwb17_ESO · March 2020

Anything Breton I'm happy to see. I do like the idea about a game of thrones like storyline for Bretons. Fits exactly to their social and political culture, and we saw tiny glimpses of that around Rivenspire.

For this chapter sadly I think Bretons will be merely tied to the "bad guys", vampires, reachmen or some side quests for helping X Breton peasant trapped inside a delve or something like that.

This is the ZOS treatment for every chapter there has ever been since Orsinimum.

Taleof2Cities · March 2020

I enjoy Breton lore like the next player, @Thevampirenight.

But you’re going to have to wait until at least 2021 for Breton-centric themes and content.

As Greymoor (Q2) and The Reach (Q4) are clearly within Skyrim territory.

Mettaricana · March 2020

Banana wrote: »

A lack of hand bags and Furballs everywhere is going to be awesome.

My god yes..... between endless argonians with murkmire onward then dragons and cats im so sick of dragons cats and lizard folk they got more pandering in the last 2 years than they jad in the entire game series combined..

Deathlord92 · March 2020

Haha I just want Bretons to get a max stamina passive they have a history of being knights as well as spell casters ⚔️

Saucy_Jack · March 2020

Bretonish content, eh?

Nemesis7884 · March 2020

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Bretonish content, eh?

only a flesh wound sir!

snoozy · March 2020

DAAAARIEN

Sylvermynx · March 2020

I'm not going to care until this chapter's available free as a DLC - and probably not even then.

TheImperfect · March 2020

Anything and all, preferably unexpected things that give us new insights into Breton people and Breton life.