Has the Nightblade class Represenitive failed our class and should he be replaced with someone else?

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2020

Yes time for a new class rep

I vote for Robert Hamburger, the author of, "Real Ultimate Power: The Official Ninja Book"

Carespanker · March 2020

Yes time for a new class rep

So who's going to be Hokage of the hidden leaf village after we vote this guy out?

nhisso · March 2020

LOL it's adorable people think Zeni listens to any one but their own out of touch devs.

Mr_Walker · March 2020

Hot damn you are one persistent and self-absorbed NB.

colossalvoids · March 2020

Funny to see a thread about having new class rep and next mentioning snickers as a potential one while he was praising/proposing changes that lead us to the current state. Not to mention all the discord drama and info leaking. Kinda why you shouldn't want any streamers around class balancing.

Nemesis7884 · March 2020

do these class reps actually make any difference? who would have thought that "sub optimal" balancing and constant skill changes would be the least of our problems a couple of weeks ago

Van_Winkle · March 2020

Yes time for a new class rep

Mana NB is dead in PvP and stamina is a boring, glass roll-dodger.

nud3_voxel · March 2020

No he is doing a fine job

NB have been OP since morrowind. Now they're back down to the level of other classes. It hasn't changed since last patch and a good NB is still going to outdo an average player of any other class.

Dracane · March 2020

I play another class but agree with this post

Replace the Sorcerer class rep along with them, please. I do not know who they are or what their names are, so this is no personal assault. I just feel that those 2 classes have been left in the dirt for so long. Any magicka class besides Templar actually.

NightAngel690 · March 2020

I’m not even sure who the current rep is but I do know one thing I know is nightblade is in a pretty balanced spot right now compared to before.
(That’s coming from someone who’s played various types of nightblades since I first started playing eso: healer, tank (pvp and pve) magblade ganker, no cloak build, stamblade(sniper, xng, ganker) etc

Deathlord92 · March 2020

Nb a weak af class compared to the others I want that to change we should be king of single target damage and we are not.

Reverb · March 2020

Your belief that Class Reps actually make decisions about what happens in the game, and the belief that they should represent you personally, is hysterically wrong. Class Reps don’t represent a specific class or play style, and they don’t compel development.

Let me say it again, Class Reps don’t compel development. Zeni does what they want. Sometimes taking feedback into account, sometimes not.

FierceSam · March 2020

You are assuming that output equals input. And that your definition of ‘good result’ is either good, a result or what’s best for the class.

All of these assumptions are probably wrong.

If you think they’re doing a bad job, don’t moan about it. Put in considered, constructive feedback to ZOS. Much more likely to make a difference than doing anything on the forums.

Kombinator · March 2020

To be honest the nightblade in the way it is imagined for most people is op as ***.

How you imagine it:

Sneak behind enemy, DESTROY it in an instant, then get back to sneak, and escape.

But this would be extremely op.. And above that the NB is a nightmare on the balance table, because it is bound to hit first. Invisibility is weak as it should for escape. Making it immune to everything is also bs. Now they need to balance it out on damage, and survival wise.

Just don't give back the old invisibility style. It's not just annoying, but also let you play without risk. I was able to attack the 50k. tank, and don't care, if i can't kill him. Things go bad i put down the expedition aura, go invisibility, and sprint away. Unless got killed under a CC chain there was not way to get killed. While my Templar faced the opposite. NB started to hit me with everything, and when team finally decided to take care of it. Invisibility, and cya.

Hotdog_23 · March 2020

Pretty sure it would not make a difference. Class reps is a bad name for a select people who they ask feedback from. More like a focus group now.

Gythral · March 2020

None of the Above
All the class reps were setup to fail and move some of the blame from ZOS onto other players,
no other interpetation makes any sense...

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · March 2020

No he is doing a fine job

my nb does not use cloak and gets kills in pvp there is other ways to play it, think out of the box helps alot

Ragnaroek93 · March 2020

I don't think that the class reps have anything to do with it, however I'd like to have someone else than Wheeler and Gilliam to balance my class. What they did to Nb is so awful: Cast time on Incap (funny how the templar ult is excluded by this, clearly no dev bias), Surprise Attack, Grim Focus, Incap, Shadow Image and Fear got nerfed and even the "compensation" mitigation buff from Grim Focus was nerfed one patch later. I stun my opponent now - I can't even hit the follow up with Incap or Grim Focus. I don't have fracture anymore, nor do I have defile and there goes my pressure against tanky opponents like stamden, stamdk or stamnecro.

They could have just nerfed Cloak a bit (in a game in which the over all time to kill between good players is already far too high) instead of gutting all the offense and killing power. Meanwhile stam necro has everything. Everytime I log in the game and play my Nb I end up quitting after 3 days and play other games again. I haven't spend any money since Elswyer on the game and I certainly won't preorder the xpac before I don't see a change in the combat balance.

It's just sad how almost every class at least had some niches in which they did shine in before ZOS had the glorious idea to standarize all classes and now we ended up in a much worse state than before, there are very few classes good now and the rest just isn't and you've wasted so much work and time instead of putting work/time into something meaningful. But we're living in a world where nobody can admit mistakes so we're most likely stuck with this crap now, time to move on.

Nevasca · March 2020

No he is doing a fine job

Are you guys serious? Blaming class reps? Seriously?

It's been proven time and time again that zos just doesn't listen to them. They also don't dictate what will happen or not with classes, all they do is return feedback to ZoS. That's it. All they do is tell if people are happy with the balance or not.

Wanna blame someone? Blame zos, not class reps who are literally part of our community.

This thread is so disgusting.

Araxleon · March 2020

We had a good rep.
They didnt listen nor agree.
Its like offering a suggestion and doing the opposite.
I honestly wish reps were slightly more listened too.

MEBengalsFan2001 · March 2020

The name of the class kinda determine its play style.

Warden - animals/nature.
Templar - holy divine healing and damage.
DragonKnight - fire and protection based abilities
Necro - undead abilities
NightBlade - making on invisible to do damage

Given this I see no issue with the ability cloak or whatever it is called being needed for a NB to do max damage.

You don't need it to do damage it just having it makes the NB damage go up. Just like a Neco using his undead pets. They are not needed but having them increase the Necro damage. Same can be said for most DD builds.

This game has class skills, weapon, armor, and guild skills that allow us as players to create and play the game as we see fit.

If I was going to play NB it better have an ability to go invisible given the class name.

Rahar · March 2020

Class reps are just a PR post with no bearing on any actual design direction. Lock inc...?

jhnartb14_ESO · March 2020

No he is doing a fine job

What do nightblade players want to happen? What more does nightblade need?

cyclonus11 · March 2020

Other: ZOS doesn't really listen to class reps

Iskiab · March 2020

jhnartb14_ESO wrote: »

What do nightblade players want to happen? What more does nightblade need?

Therein lies the problem. No one can agree.

Personally I think self healing is the number 1 issue, followed by a small damage buff.

I see some NBs in BGs with 18k health who never heal themselves, guess what they want: one shot potential. Personally I think this playstyle is dumb, people who got used to this playstyle on any class just cry - go glassier - then cry more when it doesn’t work. Every class has some of those players, they found a one shot combo that doesn’t work anymore and never learned how to pvp, so keep looking for a new one and cry when it doesn’t work instead of learning basics.

On my MagWarden I can run really glassy because of good self healing. As a magblade lack of self healing made me build tankier before to compensate, now I just yolo, but my point is if self healing is improved there’s no need to crutch on cloak and trying to one shot. You can brawl and try to outplay people.

jhnartb14_ESO · March 2020

No he is doing a fine job

What about the other morph of cloak. I build to it and have 2k healing per tic while brawling with my NB. It has all the love NB can dish out and still hold its own. Not counting rally and vigor. Do they want invis and self healing?

Blue entoloma, butterfly wings, spiders eggs

Invisible: Vanish for 12 seconds

Lingering Health: Restore 898 health per second for 37.6 seconds

Restore Health: Restore 8369 health immediately and grants major fortitude which increases your health recovery by 20% for 36.6 seconds

Iskiab · March 2020

jhnartb14_ESO wrote: »

What about the other morph of cloak. I build to it and have 2k healing per tic while brawling with my NB. It has all the love NB can dish out and still hold its own. Not counting rally and vigor. Do they want invis and self healing?

Blue entoloma, butterfly wings, spiders eggs

Invisible: Vanish for 12 seconds

Lingering Health: Restore 898 health per second for 37.6 seconds

Restore Health: Restore 8369 health immediately and grants major fortitude which increases your health recovery by 20% for 36.6 seconds

That would only work on a stamblade, for magblade:
- no good class source of major sorcery, so tri-stat pots are out of the question
- no rally or vigor
- rapid regen usually goes to the new player who isn’t keeping their health topped up so you’re stuck with radiating regen
- requires a resto back bar, so weak front bar healing
- no good spammable and bar space crunch makes building a lot tougher, there’s no only needing 2 abilities for all your damage

Rahar · March 2020

jhnartb14_ESO wrote: »

What about the other morph of cloak. I build to it and have 2k healing per tic while brawling with my NB. It has all the love NB can dish out and still hold its own. Not counting rally and vigor. Do they want invis and self healing?

Blue entoloma, butterfly wings, spiders eggs

Invisible: Vanish for 12 seconds

Lingering Health: Restore 898 health per second for 37.6 seconds

Restore Health: Restore 8369 health immediately and grants major fortitude which increases your health recovery by 20% for 36.6 seconds

Adding on to @Iskiab 's post, Lingering only lasts about 18 seconds (guessing? but way less) now. Plus, invis pots are terrible.

Hotel6 · March 2020

Didnt alcast said that zos just don't listen ?

Iskiab · March 2020

I really hope they make rapid regen a self only heal. I played a BG this morning where I was in a no-win situation and had to drop the game.

3 new players and myself, with one magplar who I would just rush in and spam sweeps with 20k health in a glassy spec. I couldn’t heal myself, whenever I tried the short bus Templar would get everything.

I had to try and escape my group to survive, but couldn’t quite take on a whole team myself. Having mag rely on resto for healing and everything being a smart heal just doesn’t work.