Has the Nightblade class Represenitive failed our class and should he be replaced with someone else?

Shadowasrial

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

Shadowasrial

Yes time for a new class rep

I personally would vote for The Sniker to be the new class rep for nightblade.

ola.wilhelmssonb16_ESO

Yes time for a new class rep

Which class is he representing?

Shadowasrial

Yes time for a new class rep

ola.wilhelmssonb16_ESO wrote: »

Which class is he representing?

He represents the nightblade class

Agenericname

Shadowasrial wrote: »

ola.wilhelmssonb16_ESO wrote: »

Which class is he representing?

He represents the nightblade class

I'm pretty sure he works for ZOS now and is no longer a class rep. Looks like you've already got what you've asked for.

Tommy_The_Gun

Gilliam the rogue technically is not a class rep. He works for ZOS, remember ? So he did not "failed" us as a class rep...
...He abandoned us.

Edit: Or maybe he wants to help, but he can't as he is not the one pulling the strings. idk tbh.

Shadowasrial

Yes time for a new class rep

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Gilliam the rogue technically is not a class rep. He works for ZOS, remember ? So he did not "failed" us as a class rep...
...He abandoned us.

Edit: Or maybe he wants to help, but he can't as he is not the one pulling the strings. idk tbh.

I was unaware he was replaced. Have edited the post accordingly

dsalter

I play another class but agree with this post

only reason i say this is he's got such a hard-on for stealth burst he's basically only wanting to buff up gankblade rather than nerfing stealth some and buffing EVERYTHING else.currently NB is so pigeonholed into gank stealth burst that its crippling them in every single area outside of stealth.

a class should NEVER be forced into a very specific playstyle otherwise it would have had only one spec setup option.

if anything stealth burst needs a semi hefty nerf and everything else to create sustained damage needs a pretty beefy buff to make them useable outside gankblading

TheFM

Yes time for a new class rep

dsalter wrote: »

only reason i say this is he's got such a hard-on for stealth burst he's basically only wanting to buff up gankblade rather than nerfing stealth some and buffing EVERYTHING else.currently NB is so pigeonholed into gank stealth burst that its crippling them in every single area outside of stealth.

a class should NEVER be forced into a very specific playstyle otherwise it would have had only one spec setup option.

if anything stealth burst needs a semi hefty nerf and everything else to create sustained damage needs a pretty beefy buff to make them useable outside gankblading

XD stealth burst needs a nerf? ARE YOU KIDDING?! Magblade cannot gank ANYTHING really in this meta unless you are in all divines and have no resistances what so ever. Even stacked into stealth with stygian and, slimecraw and new moons you STILL cant stealth attack properly anymore. Its downright ridiculous at this point.

Agenericname

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Gilliam the rogue technically is not a class rep. He works for ZOS, remember ? So he did not "failed" us as a class rep...
...He abandoned us.

Edit: Or maybe he wants to help, but he can't as he is not the one pulling the strings. idk tbh.

I was unaware he was replaced. Have edited the post accordingly

The class reps, as far as I remember, no longer represent any specific class. They're more like overall advisors to the combat team, but retained the current title.

In short, there isn't a nightblade rep any longer. I'm not sure that replacing them would have the desired effect regardless. I'm not fond of what's happened to night blades, or some of the other classes, but I wouldn't lay those changes at the feet of the class reps.

Royaji

For them to fail there had to be one in the first place.

How many times does ZOS and class reps themselves have to say that there are no class-specific representatives among them? The name they've chosen for this program is very unfortunate.

idk

iirc, there is not a nightblade representative anymore. There are not reps specific to the classes.

technohic

I didn't think there were specific class reps anymore. At least haven't heard much since they got rid of the first batch for pushing back to go to yes men.

TheFM

Yes time for a new class rep

technohic wrote: »

I didn't think there were specific class reps anymore. At least haven't heard much since they got rid of the first batch for pushing back to go to yes men.

Yeah,it was pretty telling that they got rid of all class reps because Zo$ didnt feel like listening to their critique

dsalter

I play another class but agree with this post

TheFM wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

only reason i say this is he's got such a hard-on for stealth burst he's basically only wanting to buff up gankblade rather than nerfing stealth some and buffing EVERYTHING else.currently NB is so pigeonholed into gank stealth burst that its crippling them in every single area outside of stealth.

a class should NEVER be forced into a very specific playstyle otherwise it would have had only one spec setup option.

if anything stealth burst needs a semi hefty nerf and everything else to create sustained damage needs a pretty beefy buff to make them useable outside gankblading

XD stealth burst needs a nerf? ARE YOU KIDDING?! Magblade cannot gank ANYTHING really in this meta unless you are in all divines and have no resistances what so ever. Even stacked into stealth with stygian and, slimecraw and new moons you STILL cant stealth attack properly anymore. Its downright ridiculous at this point.

think what you want but this is literally what they have designed NB around since they peeked a long time ago, they suffered at everything else for this cost and now everyone is so crutched into it they are seeing any nerf as a "ermagurd class ruined ggwp i quit" because they dont have any other reliable way to play.

sorcerers have pet playstyle, burst magic, storm magic AoE, storm melee AoE, crit focused melee/range, healing setup, etc.
DK has Tankiness, somewhat useful healing, ok ranged magic damage (tho cleanse spam makes it less useful in pvp) , strong semi tanky melee damage, etc.
Templar is Templar, enough said.

NB have at most in and out of combat magicka ganking that doesnt hit as hard as its stam side but can escape easier, stamina can pretty much 1shot combo anything not in heavy armor in PvP and sucks at killing bosses in PvE, thats it.

see what i mean? both of their main damage dealing setups are very crutched into stealth play its crippling them anywhere else.

hell the heavy armor meta became a thing BECAUSE of gankblades and the occasional Mag sorc burst.

Cirantille

I play another class but agree with this post

Because I play with all 6 classes and NB feels the weakest

You can get by others even if you are no pro, NB has it difficult

Nyladreas

Yes time for a new class rep

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

A 100 times YES! There has been no positive progress for a LONG time now. It's time to crown someone else.

Edit: Well it seems that we have none LOL. That figures... It's time someone who knows what's up and loves the class and its roguey theme became an advisor.

Sanctum74

I play another class but disagree with this post.

Imagine thinking class reps make game decisions and then bashing them when they have no control.

Kidgangster101

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

You know class reps don't change what the devs do right? Lol

dsalter

I play another class but agree with this post

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

You know class reps don't change what the devs do right? Lol

no but they do get some impact via advice, some of the better DK and Temp tweaks came from reps

Agenericname

dsalter wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

You know class reps don't change what the devs do right? Lol

no but they do get some impact via advice, some of the better DK and Temp tweaks came from reps

That's probably true, however, as the old saying goes "you can delegate responsibility, but you cannot delegate accountability." ZOS is at the helm. The decisions, both good and bad, are theirs.

As a templar, I dread the over correction coming. I wouldn't call many of the changes happening to them good for the long term health of the class.

I_killed_Vivec

I play another class (DK main) and I don't know if any representative of any class has made any more or less of a difference, no matter how hard they have tried.

I wouldn't necessarily blame the representatives, more the system.

TheFM

Yes time for a new class rep

dsalter wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

only reason i say this is he's got such a hard-on for stealth burst he's basically only wanting to buff up gankblade rather than nerfing stealth some and buffing EVERYTHING else.currently NB is so pigeonholed into gank stealth burst that its crippling them in every single area outside of stealth.

a class should NEVER be forced into a very specific playstyle otherwise it would have had only one spec setup option.

if anything stealth burst needs a semi hefty nerf and everything else to create sustained damage needs a pretty beefy buff to make them useable outside gankblading

XD stealth burst needs a nerf? ARE YOU KIDDING?! Magblade cannot gank ANYTHING really in this meta unless you are in all divines and have no resistances what so ever. Even stacked into stealth with stygian and, slimecraw and new moons you STILL cant stealth attack properly anymore. Its downright ridiculous at this point.

think what you want but this is literally what they have designed NB around since they peeked a long time ago, they suffered at everything else for this cost and now everyone is so crutched into it they are seeing any nerf as a "ermagurd class ruined ggwp i quit" because they dont have any other reliable way to play.

sorcerers have pet playstyle, burst magic, storm magic AoE, storm melee AoE, crit focused melee/range, healing setup, etc.
DK has Tankiness, somewhat useful healing, ok ranged magic damage (tho cleanse spam makes it less useful in pvp) , strong semi tanky melee damage, etc.
Templar is Templar, enough said.

NB have at most in and out of combat magicka ganking that doesnt hit as hard as its stam side but can escape easier, stamina can pretty much 1shot combo anything not in heavy armor in PvP and sucks at killing bosses in PvE, thats it.

see what i mean? both of their main damage dealing setups are very crutched into stealth play its crippling them anywhere else.

hell the heavy armor meta became a thing BECAUSE of gankblades and the occasional Mag sorc burst.

Even when speccing completely onto what you say NBS are shoehorned into, you cannot play effectively anymore

[Edit to remove flame]

VaranisArano

Reading this thread like "When was the last time I heard anything from the class reps on this forum?"

I miss those semi-regular meeting notes.

usmguy1234

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

Nightblade hasn't had a rep since Kena left. Prove me wrong.

Royaji

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

Nightblade hasn't had a rep since Kena left. Prove me wrong.

Even when Kena was around nightblade haven't had a rep. Neither did any other class.

Gatdangmayne

I volunteer to be new class rep.

I have a dark elf I play both ways, and a breton that's strictly magblade. I have pretty deep game knowledge, and I would be another (much needed) console rep.

All I want in return is a working game

Iskiab

It’s hard to say anything positive or negative about the class reps when I have no idea how the system works. It sounds more like people are upset and looking for a scapegoat.

Some people are also forgetting how much people complained about NBs before and people said they were fine when they weren’t. The class hasn’t changed since the big nerf, those who piled onto the class wanting even more nerfs or giving outdated feedback were part of the problem.

Kidgangster101

dsalter wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

You know class reps don't change what the devs do right? Lol

no but they do get some impact via advice, some of the better DK and Temp tweaks came from reps

It might have but most of the time zos does what they want. I almost was a class rep and I got the email from Gina where it stated I was to listen to them and give feedback only to what they say. That means if I have any ideas I can't bounce it off them, class reps are there to bounce the dev ideas off them. And a lot of the time the players say no it's a bad idea and they launch it live anyways......... So yeah that's not anything special.

Plus you do know they don't get paid right? Lol

Jaimeh

Shadowasrial wrote: »

There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

Why should it be a 'viable streamer'? And why should there be representatives at all? People working for free, to gather, analyze, and make coherent feedback, that maybe very well be biased or incomplete in many cases, and to what end? There's been countless threads about the state of NBs in the game, and patch after patch they get ignored. The combat devs don't play their own game enough, and to a high enough level to discern things that are lacking or overperforming when it comes to classes. Combined with the fact that PvP and PvE are not be separated, we'll never have nice things.

Finedaible

Shadowasrial wrote: »

I personally feel our class Represenitive has failed in his job to advise zenimax on how the nightblade class should be played. There are many other more viable streamers who understand the class more and realize what the players of this class want out of their playing experience.

Even if we have/had the best possible NB representative, you assume Class reps have any control over what Zo$ decides to do. Class reps are merely there to save face and be the studio's meat-shields for the backlash caused by the ill-conceived decisions that Zo$ stubbornly goes through with no matter how much logic and rationale the community or Class reps present. Gilliam used to look after the community before he became an employee but remember that he's on their payroll now, and it's evident that the marketing goblins are who ultimately call the shots in this company anyway.