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Definition of Insanity
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Earthewen✭✭✭✭✭My reply to something similar thoughts in another thread. Here are my thoughts.
The facts:
Most major updates are followed by about 2 weeks of hot fixes. This is normal for any large scale launch on ununified tech. This game runs on everything from high end PC's to laptops I would not use to cruse the web on. People running so many combinations of add ons on top of that. People with up to date drivers and many that don't even know how to. If you could picture the number of moving parts, people would be more forgiving. It's a wonder any MMO works at all.
Funny, even games that seem to have it together, read their tech section of the forums and you will see this is not so uncommon. I laugh when people in game get upset about the lag and I ask them. Do you play via WiFi or do you hard wire with a gigabit cat 6 cable? Do you play the game on a HD, or an SSD? Do you use software that sets your PC into game mode so your PC plays the game most efficiently? Did you buy a cheap HDMI cable for your monitor/video card, or are you using a high end HDMI cable? Most times I get back all the wrong answers. I rarely lag.
not at this level. and this has been going on for years and many of those issues after patches are still here. And when this happens to other companys, they compensate their customers , and not with a useless pet
And I am sure 1/2 the people having problems, it would be something stupid and fixable on their end. The IT in me has seen it so many times. Zen does have more work to do but it's not all on them.
I would venture to say after my last dealings that took over 6 months and still no resolution, that most of it DOES depend on ZOS. Their lack of true customer service hurts their game over and over again. There ARE problems in the game and some problems that WERE fixed are broken again. How can this happen?2 -
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Funny, even games that seem to have it together, read their tech section of the forums and you will see this is not so uncommon. I laugh when people in game get upset about the lag and I ask them. Do you play via WiFi or do you hard wire with a gigabit cat 6 cable? Do you play the game on a HD, or an SSD? Do you use software that sets your PC into game mode so your PC plays the game most efficiently? Did you buy a cheap HDMI cable for your monitor/video card, or are you using a high end HDMI cable? Most times I get back all the wrong answers. I rarely lag.
not at this level. and this has been going on for years and many of those issues after patches are still here. And when this happens to other companys, they compensate their customers , and not with a useless petMy reply to something similar thoughts in another thread. Here are my thoughts.
Funny, even games that seem to have it together, read their tech section of the forums and you will see this is not so uncommon. I laugh when people in game get upset about the lag and I ask them. Do you play via WiFi or do you hard wire with a gigabit cat 6 cable? Do you play the game on a HD, or an SSD? Do you use software that sets your PC into game mode so your PC plays the game most efficiently? Did you buy a cheap HDMI cable for your monitor/video card, or are you using a high end HDMI cable? Most times I get back all the wrong answers. I rarely lag.
All you talk about is client infrastructure. That's not where the problem's at. It's simply that the servers can't process the data at a timely enough speed. Probably you're not engaged in endgame activities. I've yet to see a single forum post from somebody who's doing PvP/HM trials/vet dlc dungeons who claims to have a generally good lag free experience.
Edited by Long_Distance on March 7, 2020 3:31PM5 -
harold12✭✭Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.1
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✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »
Laugh away, I had a friend using drivers for his GPU over a year out of date. Talked to a guy in game yelling in zone chat about the lag, he was torrenting. When asked, I can't count the number of people using WiFi on there gaming PC over a physical connection. Most people I talk to in game have no idea the simple steps they can take to make their gaming experience way better.
Its crazy how far people go to defend this company. Always the same nonsense excuses.
So what about console? Im sure console players make up a fair amount more than half of the player base so whats your excuse for us? Probably the same *** excuse every other person gives who defends this ***, "dont play on console it cant handle it". Nonsense.
Every person I have ever played with has the same issues I do in cyrodil. I have an xbox one x and high internet speeds. I also play the game on PC and have similar issues in cyrodil. Amazing how it always seems to happen in cyrodil, and much less often outside of cyrodil.
There is no excuse for this, stop trying to defend it because even they know they screwed up.5 -
DocDova✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »
lol that's how people on my first internet forum use to describe me 16-17 years back (with the same pic and meme, Rise of me and lolcats happened at same time), where I was a crazy hyperactive cat, That forum is closed now and some really-really awesome chitchat threads. Though I haven't heard of Elder Scrolls back then, But for some reason I too liked to talk in third person.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The problem with saying "Well, the reason you have problems with ESO is because of your personal system" is that statememt can both be true and have nothing to do with someone's experience when performance gets worse.
Like, I have rural internet. That's a constant in how I play ESO. My cables are what they are. My computer is what it is. My drivers are updated. I run very few addons in Cyrodiil. I also know what performance issues I have that are "my normal" in Cyrodiil. I routinely disconnect before other members of my guild, have more rubberbanding, and regularly crash when approaching large battles. Those are my "normal."
When my performance issues in Cyrodiil get worse after an update?
When an update brings new bugs and glitches that I didn't see before?
Well, it wasn't my computer, cables, drivers, or rural internet that changed...
(I also note that two of the issues I was having - loading screen crashes and the positional desyncs, have been acknowledged by ZOS. So again, its perfectly valid to note when performance gets worse even on a decidedly imperfect system.)Edited by VaranisArano on March 7, 2020 4:18PM5 -
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This is BS of the highest order. I don't know whether you play Cyro or whether you play on multiple platforms. If I can get better performance on a transatlantic connection to NA than I get on EU at prime time, despite much higher ping to NA, then you know the problem is neither your home network nor the Internet. If I can talk to people in chat about the lag they are experiencing with their high end and their low end rigs in countries from Sweden to UK to Germany to Switzerland and we all have it at the same time, then the common denominator is ZOS. If we all get disconnected simultaneously, because there are too many people at Aleswell, and you can't get back in until ported elsewehere, then you know it's a ZOS problem.My reply to something similar thoughts in another thread. Here are my thoughts.
The facts:
Most major updates are followed by about 2 weeks of hot fixes. This is normal for any large scale launch on ununified tech. This game runs on everything from high end PC's to laptops I would not use to cruse the web on. People running so many combinations of add ons on top of that. People with up to date drivers and many that don't even know how to. If you could picture the number of moving parts, people would be more forgiving. It's a wonder any MMO works at all.
Funny, even games that seem to have it together, read their tech section of the forums and you will see this is not so uncommon. I laugh when people in game get upset about the lag and I ask them. Do you play via WiFi or do you hard wire with a gigabit cat 6 cable? Do you play the game on a HD, or an SSD? Do you use software that sets your PC into game mode so your PC plays the game most efficiently? Did you buy a cheap HDMI cable for your monitor/video card, or are you using a high end HDMI cable? Most times I get back all the wrong answers. I rarely lag.
There is no technical barrier to making software work reliably and having releases, year after year, that just work. I have to do it in my day job, because the stakes are greater. There is also no barrier to making it work on ununified hardware. Microsoft has it's screwups, but their software runs on billions of PCs. They couldn't do that with ZOS' error rate. At the end of the day, it's a business decision. There are no real stakes, because this is just a game. I also don't think they see endgame as one of their primary markets anymore. Maybe it was at the very beginning. Now it's DLCs for casuals.2 -
Gatdangmayne✭✭✭✭Heh I'm IT worker and educated programmer to, I am responsible for things to work 100% of a time and as much as I agree that very often its users fault, not this time. When 1 user has a problem, probably he messed up, when 2 users have the same problem, maybe I messed up, when over half of users have the same problem, definitely they didn't messed up. Say what you want but most of us uses our PCs/consoles to play other more demanding games and we have no issues, somehow only with this one we have this mess.
So what about when the majority of users experience the same issues despite having different hardware (pc/ps4/xbox) and software (console on previous patch still)?
Would you say that means its likely a backend issue? Cause as a non-professional, uh, yeah that's how it looks to me..0 -
Gatdangmayne✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »The problem with saying "Well, the reason you have problems with ESO is because of your personal system" is that statememt can both be true and have nothing to do with someone's experience when performance gets worse.
Like, I have rural internet. That's a constant in how I play ESO. My cables are what they are. My computer is what it is. My drivers are updated. I run very few addons in Cyrodiil. I also know what performance issues I have that are "my normal" in Cyrodiil. I routinely disconnect before other members of my guild, have more rubberbanding, and regularly crash when approaching large battles. Those are my "normal."
When my performance issues in Cyrodiil get worse after an update?
When an update brings new bugs and glitches that I didn't see before?
Well, it wasn't my computer, cables, drivers, or rural internet that changed...
(I also note that two of the issues I was having - loading screen crashes and the positional desyncs, have been acknowledged by ZOS. So again, its perfectly valid to note when performance gets worse even on a decidedly imperfect system.)
Get outta here with that logical reasoning! It's all the add ons im using on my ps4, not ZOS' fault!6 -
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