Kiralyn2000 wrote: »They are separate accounts. Has there been an MMO ever, where one subscription covered multiple accounts?
(Heck, the people with multiple PC accounts need to get ESO+ individually for each of them. It's not like this is anything new or strange.)
So they should give you a free account? Pick one or the other.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »They are separate accounts. Has there been an MMO ever, where one subscription covered multiple accounts?
(Heck, the people with multiple PC accounts need to get ESO+ individually for each of them. It's not like this is anything new or strange.)
TequilaFire wrote: »Even on the same console PS4 I have to pay ESO+ on each account as well as my PC account.
Don't hold your breath.
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Even on the same console PS4 I have to pay ESO+ on each account as well as my PC account.
Don't hold your breath.
That is the way Subscription based MMO's have always been. You are talking about multiple separate accounts. I am talking about the same account that is utilized to play the game by multiple platforms.
The primary difference is that even if I buy the base game for console I will be forced to log into a ZOS account and obviously I will use the already existing account that I use for PC. Whereas you are talking about, again, multiple separate ZOS accounts for use on the same platform. This is not the same thing.
Requesting that the subscription benefits I pay for effect all platforms associated with my account is not the same as asking for the subscription effecting multiple accounts. Frankly none of what anyone has said in objection so far is relevant.
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »I should not be expected to pay for a subscription twice if I wish to enjoy the game with my friends who only have xbox or ps4.
I understand the game will likely never be cross platform (as an aside: it should.. protip: "advantage" in pve is nominal and makes no real difference-- just make pvp queues platform specific and merge the rest of the game, problem solved. it's 2020 for gods sake and your base game is only selling used copies for $1 at the likes of gamestop etc-- the real profit comes from crown store and subscription. That's all beside the point however. )But It really bothers me because I have years and countless hours invested as well as year long subscriptions paid for on PC; but most of my friends that are willing to try the game really only wish to do so via console-- for good reason, they already own the aforementioned consoles and don't have $500 min to drop on PC that's barely good enough to run the game. .
This being said, the only real option for me is to pick up gameplay on an alternate platform. if I ever wish to play this, a social game, with real life friends/family/neighbors/S.O.'s etc. Now this wouldn't be a huge deal, even starting at lvl 1-- I kind of enjoy "the adventure" more than the endgame anyway. The real issue is that I would have to deal with storage limitations. And let's not be honest, without the craft bag, the game can be a a painstaking experience.
I can't be the only person who feels put off to the idea of starting over on a DIFFERENT platform solely because of this very problem. And I think it's about time it were addressed. If I use my same ZOS account to play on PS4 or XB1 that I use to play on PC, there's no reason (aside from plain greed) that my ESO+ benefits (frankly craft bag is the only benefit worth a damn) shouldn't be available to me.
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »I should not be expected to pay for a subscription twice if I wish to enjoy the game with my friends who only have xbox or ps4.
I understand the game will likely never be cross platform (as an aside: it should.. protip: "advantage" in pve is nominal and makes no real difference-- just make pvp queues platform specific and merge the rest of the game, problem solved. it's 2020 for gods sake and your base game is only selling used copies for $1 at the likes of gamestop etc-- the real profit comes from crown store and subscription. That's all beside the point however. )But It really bothers me because I have years and countless hours invested as well as year long subscriptions paid for on PC; but most of my friends that are willing to try the game really only wish to do so via console-- for good reason, they already own the aforementioned consoles and don't have $500 min to drop on PC that's barely good enough to run the game. .
This being said, the only real option for me is to pick up gameplay on an alternate platform. if I ever wish to play this, a social game, with real life friends/family/neighbors/S.O.'s etc. Now this wouldn't be a huge deal, even starting at lvl 1-- I kind of enjoy "the adventure" more than the endgame anyway. The real issue is that I would have to deal with storage limitations. And let's not be honest, without the craft bag, the game can be a a painstaking experience.
I can't be the only person who feels put off to the idea of starting over on a DIFFERENT platform solely because of this very problem. And I think it's about time it were addressed. If I use my same ZOS account to play on PS4 or XB1 that I use to play on PC, there's no reason (aside from plain greed) that my ESO+ benefits (frankly craft bag is the only benefit worth a damn) shouldn't be available to me.
I do not know ANY cross platform mmo that covers multiple platforms. FFXIV for example you sub on pc you need to sub on PS4.
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »They are separate accounts. Has there been an MMO ever, where one subscription covered multiple accounts?
(Heck, the people with multiple PC accounts need to get ESO+ individually for each of them. It's not like this is anything new or strange.)So they should give you a free account? Pick one or the other.
I'm not asking for a free account. I paid for my game in full. I paid for every expansion and DLC. I'm not even asking for all of those. I am simply stating that the benefits of my monthly subscription I paid for in full should not be squirreled away and hidden from other platforms that I choose to play on.
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Since you can play any account without a sub, ZOS does not need to extend one ESO+ Account to other Accounts.
You are not being prohibited from playing on other platforms.
Since you can play any account without a sub, ZOS does not need to extend one ESO+ Account to other Accounts.
You are not being prohibited from playing on other platforms.
it is actually smart business to do this change.
most people will not have two accounts on two platforms. but by having eso plus across the board they in fact will most likely make a lot more money.
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Since you can play any account without a sub, ZOS does not need to extend one ESO+ Account to other Accounts.
You are not being prohibited from playing on other platforms.
it is actually smart business to do this change.
most people will not have two accounts on two platforms. but by having eso plus across the board they in fact will most likely make a lot more money.
how. how are they supposed to accomplish that?
in the games where subscription is shared across platforms? so are actual accounts, complete with cross save (or equivalent for an MMO - aka progress copies over) function.
you have separate ZoS account for every game copy. its not shared cross platform. progress is not even shared across US and EU servers on the same account.
why i bring it up? because how.. how do they share subscription when nothing else is shared? they would have to completely rework how ESO accounts work. they would have to make it possible to use the same login info on different platforms, which is not currently the case. and I highly doubt would ever be the case.
and exactly HOW will they make more money? completely reworking account system like that is an incredible time investment for.. what gain? if people do not want to pay for 2 separate subscriptions, what makes you think they would want to pay extra for anything else?
Clearly, it is a business choice Zos has made. OP is not suggesting a compelling reason Zos should change this model. Heck, doubt there are enough that play on more than one platform to make it worthwhile to change the coding involved.
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And lose the chance to get more money? NO WAY
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »
Right. The only justification for the current system is laziness/greed.
codierussell wrote: »Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »
Right. The only justification for the current system is laziness/greed.
Because a company that makes video games for profit are being greedy by trying to make money? In reality if the sub system starts to change and ZOS starts losing subs the game gets shut down. At this point I am happy it isn't a mandatory sub.
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »codierussell wrote: »Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »
Right. The only justification for the current system is laziness/greed.
Because a company that makes video games for profit are being greedy by trying to make money? In reality if the sub system starts to change and ZOS starts losing subs the game gets shut down. At this point I am happy it isn't a mandatory sub.
right and again if you'd actually read more thant he last post in the entire thread, there is a simple, logical process by which this would likely increase playerbase and as a result profits in the end.
What world do you live in that the number of subscriptions would go down if people could utilize their sub across different platforms? Explain your logic.
Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »
right and again if you'd actually read more thant he last post in the entire thread, there is a simple, logical process by which this would likely increase playerbase and as a result profits in the end.
What world do you live in that the number of subscriptions would go down if people could utilize their sub across different platforms? Explain your logic.