Is it even possible to fix this game?

Casterial · February 2020

Captain_Slaymore wrote: »

I enjoy the game too, started on PC, ported to X-Box, then, started a new account 3 years ago. So, i have the game on both X-Box and PC. There seems to be a lot of folks making excuses for ZoS, just as they did with the nightmare that was / is Fallout 76.

Fallout 76 is not ZOS, but yes I get your points :P

Nemesis7884 · February 2020

the main issue with regards to combat is that you cant fix what you dont understand...

Captain_Slaymore · February 2020

Casterial wrote: »

Captain_Slaymore wrote: »

I enjoy the game too, started on PC, ported to X-Box, then, started a new account 3 years ago. So, i have the game on both X-Box and PC. There seems to be a lot of folks making excuses for ZoS, just as they did with the nightmare that was / is Fallout 76.

Fallout 76 is not ZOS, but yes I get your points :P

Uhm, yeah, it is lol - But thanks for the agree

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/zenimax-to-refund-consumers-for-the-fallout-76-game

ItsMeToo · February 2020

MishMash wrote: »

What would you suggest to fix the most awful "Stuck in Combat" bug that we have been dealing with for such a long time now?

Play solo and stay out of Cyrodiil.

Casterial · February 2020

Captain_Slaymore wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Captain_Slaymore wrote: »

I enjoy the game too, started on PC, ported to X-Box, then, started a new account 3 years ago. So, i have the game on both X-Box and PC. There seems to be a lot of folks making excuses for ZoS, just as they did with the nightmare that was / is Fallout 76.

Fallout 76 is not ZOS, but yes I get your points :P

Uhm, yeah, it is lol - But thanks for the agree

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/zenimax-to-refund-consumers-for-the-fallout-76-game

Zenimax Media owns all of the companies.
Zenimax Online Studios, Bethesda Game Studios are under Zenimax Media

Which is why when you Google who made Fallout76 its not under Zenimax Online Studios, nor does it show up on their website https://www.zenimaxonline.com/games

Captain_Slaymore · February 2020

Casterial wrote: »

Captain_Slaymore wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Captain_Slaymore wrote: »

I enjoy the game too, started on PC, ported to X-Box, then, started a new account 3 years ago. So, i have the game on both X-Box and PC. There seems to be a lot of folks making excuses for ZoS, just as they did with the nightmare that was / is Fallout 76.

Fallout 76 is not ZOS, but yes I get your points :P

Uhm, yeah, it is lol - But thanks for the agree

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/zenimax-to-refund-consumers-for-the-fallout-76-game

Zenimax Media owns all of the companies.
Zenimax Online Studios, Bethesda Game Studios are under Zenimax Media

Which is why when you Google who made Fallout76 its not under Zenimax Online Studios, nor does it show up on their website https://www.zenimaxonline.com/games

Fair enough, but it is the same thing, Bethesda is the Publisher of TESO while ZoS is the developer, Whereas Bethesda is the Developer of Fallout 76. So, Zenimax owns Bethesda and as you have seen, was ultimately responsible for the refunds issued, and when you look at your billing for your ESO plus, you will see that its billed to Zenimax. What a mess. Irregardless, ZoS should have learned from the Fallout 76 refunds, that they should get their act together when it comes to TESO. Is that a fair statement?

Vanos444 · February 2020

The game as been in alpha state since launch and it just recently got promoted to beta stage, only to patch the game by returning back to its alpha state again.

I just love the incompetence of these Devs. :Rofl
On the bright side, they do know how to presude whales to buy their boxes.

Grianasteri · February 2020

Solace1981 wrote: »

I'm no programmer, damn near computer illiterate but at this point in the game's life, with what they have at their disposal what would have to be done? I'm looking for people with real experience and knowledge in programming, game development, etc, whatever...... Hahaha my game just crashed as I was tabbed out... Anyways, with the numerous bugs that have been in the game since nearly launch, bugs that get introduced ith every patch, and the terrible performance since the game's launch, is it even possible? Would the game need the Final Fantasy treatment? Why is the performance so bad? Megaserver? Seriously, why can't they fix basic bugs? Or a core function in every MMO, group finder? I mean, this stuff has been around since launch. Surely it would be fixed by now if they knew how. Why can't they? Listen, I love this game, if it didn't have performance issues or even had way less, same with the bugs, this would be hands down best MMO on the market. Yes, I'm super frustrated atm and I am definitely taking a break. I just came back a few weeks ago from a 1 month break and yes I missed the game and came back. Think its gonna be at least 2 this time. I want this game to succeed, I really do but yeah can anyone answer this? Please? Thanks.

The premise is wrong. The game does not need fixed. Certain aspects of it could be improved. These are two different things.

Given ESO remains one of the most successful and popular MMOs of all time, some folk really need to take a moment for some perspective. And I say that as someone who openly criticises ESO where I see fit.

MajBludd · February 2020

How old is this game now, 5yrs old, 6?
How much time do you actually think is left in this game?
Look at the dlc and chapters compared to the past. Not much meat on the bone.

Gythral · February 2020

Based on budget, spent on the game code/server rather than hype,

NO

rumple9 · February 2020

its the only game I have of many that crashes regularly and blue screens my pc at least once a day

technohic · February 2020

Solace1981 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I'm in a wait and see hold. I expected this week to be rough, and maybe longer. I will say, for all the complaints, I've not had terrible lag in Cyrodiil, but with the crashes, its not as full as usual, and I've only seen 1 ball group. I have to imagine a couple of key roles in a ball group crashing means a wipe.

I think April is the first time an MMO with large scale PVP outside of Asian grinders comes out. So time is running out for me

What MMO is that?

New World. It's not open world PVP but it's still 50vs50 keep siege. Not perfect as its canned, but at least it's not pvdoor or showing up with 20 getting ran over by 50 in theory. I'd rather this game work, but so far it's not looking good

Lysette · February 2020

ZOS is not the same people as Bethesda. i personally see effort put in by ZOS to make the game better and make it an enjoyable experience for most - and the game got overall better over time, from my perspective it is the best it ever has been.

As far as Bethesda goes - they are dead for me - i'll never buy anything from them again - what they have been doing since fallout 76 cannot be forgiven. But this does not apply to ZOS - they are different people, even they are owned by the same company as Bethesda.

I see ZOS effort in making the game better and it is now a really great game. There are issues with pvp, but seen from a purely pve perspective the game got better and better and is now the best it ever has been. Not for pvp though,which is unfortunate of course - but it is as well wrong to judge the new patch right after it's release, because there is more load than normal due to a lot more players checking it out.

As far as the crown store goes - I see improvements there as well, more QoL stuff beside the normal fluff. I play ESO subbed, so I get crowns for doing so and can spend it on stuff and QoL things - like buying those remaining sky shards with crowns. I see so many QoL improvements as well outside of the shop - like those region guides. I'm not using add-ons anymore and these hints where about i could search for sky shards is making exploration fun. This might not be that relevant for pvp focused players, but it is really nice for me.

Vyvrhel · February 2020

Everything can be fixed, but the question is what will be the cost. Largely depends on if the system started already as a "legacy code" (no unit test coverage) or not. Also depends on how much work was outsourced to cheap teams and for how long.

gatekeeper13 · February 2020

Alt-tab crash is an issue for me too. Its the ONLY game where I have the same issue again and again and again. So no, its not my hardware.

This game cant be fixed because it was broken from start. Its one of the worst coded games I ever seen in my life and I have lost all hope in seeing any improvement in it ever. Downloaded the 60+gb update and instead of seeing an improvement, I got longer loading screens than before. The only reason I am still playing it is because I dont have a substitute for Skyrim/Oblivion.

Fantastic job, ZOS. But who cares? Check out that new mount in the crown store... Only 1.500 crowns...

Grianasteri · February 2020

MajBludd wrote: »

How old is this game now, 5yrs old, 6?
How much time do you actually think is left in this game?
Look at the dlc and chapters compared to the past. Not much meat on the bone.

How old is Warcraft? 15 years? Still going, still high in the MMO rankings.

ESO has a long way to go and plenty of mileage left.

Vyvrhel · February 2020

Solace1981 wrote: »

Naw, I'm good. All addons are up to date and if they aren't, I have them disabled.

You are better off disabling them all. How much addons do you run? DB queries if wrongly done can take a lot of time and resources. I did only overland stuff yesterday in relatively low populated areas for some 2 hours in prime time, and I had no real issues, but I run just cmx and att.
I would say that one of the best solution would be if they developed the functionality of the most important addons, like the merchant addons (these can be a HUGE problem) and stopped supporting addons at all.
Sometimes less is more.
The vanilla action house would be a solid improvement I believe. Imagine the amount of data the merchant addons need to process.
Also do you run any other applications like, say, browser, alongside with client.
Do you have a clean system. I mean no malware performing demanding operation like the cryptocurrency mining trojans. What is your hw.

Lysette · February 2020

ESO has a long time to go .- it is not even near to the peak yet. But it will change - the demands power players have cannot be fulfilled, because they burn through content far too quickly. Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left and make the game more enjoyable for casuals to the point that they might even try pvp, because they might have a chance. The content available is endless for casuals and the longer they play they will go ESO+ and buy stuff from the crown store and it will be financially a win for ZOS - they don't have to fear for power players leaving - it might even be beneficial for ZOS.

Vyvrhel · February 2020

Lysette wrote: »

Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left

One very important factor is a new hw people buy. Client crashes are often system resources problems.

TheFM · February 2020

Solace1981 wrote: »

I'm no programmer, damn near computer illiterate but at this point in the game's life, with what they have at their disposal what would have to be done? I'm looking for people with real experience and knowledge in programming, game development, etc, whatever...... Hahaha my game just crashed as I was tabbed out... Anyways, with the numerous bugs that have been in the game since nearly launch, bugs that get introduced ith every patch, and the terrible performance since the game's launch, is it even possible? Would the game need the Final Fantasy treatment? Why is the performance so bad? Megaserver? Seriously, why can't they fix basic bugs? Or a core function in every MMO, group finder? I mean, this stuff has been around since launch. Surely it would be fixed by now if they knew how. Why can't they? Listen, I love this game, if it didn't have performance issues or even had way less, same with the bugs, this would be hands down best MMO on the market. Yes, I'm super frustrated atm and I am definitely taking a break. I just came back a few weeks ago from a 1 month break and yes I missed the game and came back. Think its gonna be at least 2 this time. I want this game to succeed, I really do but yeah can anyone answer this? Please? Thanks.

Hire competent programmers?

Lysette · February 2020

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left

One very important factor is a new hw people buy. Client crashes are often system resources problems.

when people say crash here, it seems that they actually mean being logged out of the gameworld and pushed back to character selection or the login screen. The problem is likely only server-sided.

nafensoriel · February 2020

Casterial wrote: »

Solace1981 wrote: »

U25 is an improvement in every sense of the word. It is more efficient(visibly so) and does what they claim it does.

C'MON MAN!

No, it does not, I run on an M.2 I don't notice a difference with load
I noticed my fps actually decrease

You run on an M.2.
A 25% loading speed increase on an M.2 is about .00002 seconds per megabyte loaded.

No duh, you didn't notice it load faster.

Side note for fun.
I wonder what the correlation would be to people who've had major problems and the people who deleted the game before downloading and those who engage in heavy modification of game files for "improved performance"?

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

Because business consultants rule over gaming industry. It was proved by numerous examples that investing into cosmetics/marketing bring MUCH more money then investing into technical side of the game.

So if game didn't have some really robust system design / code from the beginning (like blizzard's OLDER games) - there is little to none chance it can be fixed afterwards.

TheFM · February 2020

Lysette wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left

One very important factor is a new hw people buy. Client crashes are often system resources problems.

when people say crash here, it seems that they actually mean being logged out of the gameworld and pushed back to character selection or the login screen. The problem is likely only server-sided.

When I say crash I mean CTD, and thats what most people are talking about now. Stop white knighting.

Lysette · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left

One very important factor is a new hw people buy. Client crashes are often system resources problems.

when people say crash here, it seems that they actually mean being logged out of the gameworld and pushed back to character selection or the login screen. The problem is likely only server-sided.

When I say crash I mean CTD, and thats what most people are talking about now. Stop white knighting.

Well, the world does not revolve around you - I didn't comment to your post. Vyvrel is of course right when it is really about CTDs, but look at the many posts about this issue, a whole lot make no difference between just being logged out of the gameworld and a CTD. This isn't helpful when trying to locate the problem. It would as well be good to know on what platform they play - it is all so mixed up here and terms are mixed up as well, that it is really hard to say where the issue is coming from. I personally have disconnects from the gameworld about 2-3 times per hour at prime time and about once in 2 hours outside of it. But never a CTD. This is why i expected the problem to be server-sided.So i didn't know that CTDs are common, whereas disconnects have been common since years at about the same frequency as now, which would suggest, that it is not patch related. This is not white knighting, I try to gather what the source of these problems is - and there seem to be several.

TheFM · February 2020

Lysette wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left

One very important factor is a new hw people buy. Client crashes are often system resources problems.

when people say crash here, it seems that they actually mean being logged out of the gameworld and pushed back to character selection or the login screen. The problem is likely only server-sided.

When I say crash I mean CTD, and thats what most people are talking about now. Stop white knighting.

Well, the world does not revolve around you - I didn't comment to your post. Vyvrel is of course right when it is really about CTDs, but look at the many posts about this issue, a whole lot make no difference between just being logged out of the gameworld and a CTD. This isn't helpful when trying to locate the problem. It would as well be good to know on what platform they play - it is all so mixed up here and terms are mixed up as well, that it is really hard to say where the issue is coming from. I personally have disconnects from the gameworld about 2-3 times per hour at prime time and about once in 2 hours outside of it. But never a CTD. This is why i expected the problem to be server-sided.So i didn't know that CTDs are common, whereas disconnects have been common since years at about the same frequency as now, which would suggest, that it is not patch related. This is not white knighting, I try to gather what the source of these problems is - and there seem to be several.

Its been on the front page since the update launched. Everyone crashing to desktop, it couldnt have been more clear, and saying " oh ppl just dont know what they really mean " is just insulting.

Lysette · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Those will move on to other games over time, and game performance will improve once they have left

One very important factor is a new hw people buy. Client crashes are often system resources problems.

when people say crash here, it seems that they actually mean being logged out of the gameworld and pushed back to character selection or the login screen. The problem is likely only server-sided.

When I say crash I mean CTD, and thats what most people are talking about now. Stop white knighting.

Well, the world does not revolve around you - I didn't comment to your post. Vyvrel is of course right when it is really about CTDs, but look at the many posts about this issue, a whole lot make no difference between just being logged out of the gameworld and a CTD. This isn't helpful when trying to locate the problem. It would as well be good to know on what platform they play - it is all so mixed up here and terms are mixed up as well, that it is really hard to say where the issue is coming from. I personally have disconnects from the gameworld about 2-3 times per hour at prime time and about once in 2 hours outside of it. But never a CTD. This is why i expected the problem to be server-sided.So i didn't know that CTDs are common, whereas disconnects have been common since years at about the same frequency as now, which would suggest, that it is not patch related. This is not white knighting, I try to gather what the source of these problems is - and there seem to be several.

Its been on the front page since the update launched. Everyone crashing to desktop, it couldnt have been more clear, and saying " oh ppl just dont know what they really mean " is just insulting.

no, is not everyone at all -that is what has to be figured out, who and why they have CTDs. i have none and i guess most players have none - to say everyone has these issues and the game is crap therefore - that is insulting. Because for most it seems to be quite ok and even have improved. But you guys just want to bash the game no matter what - if you hate it that much, just move on.

Drakoleon · February 2020

(PC/EU) Empty promises from ZOS once more ...Since BETA the game at its worst in PVE or PVP alike.
I din't keep my hopes up and i've never trusted ZOS announcements since long ago anyways.
The game it is what it is....take it or leave it.

grannas211 · February 2020

Grianasteri wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

How old is this game now, 5yrs old, 6?
How much time do you actually think is left in this game?
Look at the dlc and chapters compared to the past. Not much meat on the bone.

How old is Warcraft? 15 years? Still going, still high in the MMO rankings.

ESO has a long way to go and plenty of mileage left.

It could. But they need to actually put money into the servers. If they keep releasing stuff like this and with the current state on console, it wont matter how long they intend to keep it going.

DMuehlhausen · February 2020

Your rant seems to imply the game is broken. It's clearly not. Are there some things that could use some work sure. does the game crash at times sure does, I've never played a game that is consistently online game in the last 20 years that didn't crash time to time.

Are there truly game breaking bugs, no not even close. Do you agree or will you agree with everything they do to try and make the game better? Of course not. Are they trying to fix as much as possible and make people as happy as possible sure as you can tell by the laid out path in updates they are trying to do to improve performance.