Why do ESO players get so salty in PVP?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2020

Youyouz06 wrote: »

My ignore list is full.

I sometimes trash talk, but I don't go down the road where racial, sexual or personal slander is spoken -> It's the easy argument which lacks creativity and in depth comprehension.

There's nothing better than 'you smell like a poo'.

It’s full? I think I blocked one person in 5 years. You might want to take it down a notch.

JinMori · February 2020

Just ignore, they are only words, so who cares, let them have their little tantrum.

I honestly don't even bother putting them on ignore, that's how little i give a *** about them.

Shantu · February 2020

This kind of behavior is easy to prove and moderate. Personally, I think it's a mistake for ZOS to turn a deaf ear. There is simply no good reason to allow it to be tolerated. If a modicum of civility where enforced, PVP population would increase, and that would benefit everyone involved.

Chaos2088 · February 2020

Some people feel better for treating others badly. Don't focus on people like that, just ignore and carry on.

exeeter702 · February 2020

Those with the "Its a pve game and I'm just here for the exp" mindset generally tend to be very poor bg team mates in my experience. Perhaps the mouth breathing manchild was upset that he could not carry the weight.

TheRealCherokeee3 · February 2020

Darkenarlol wrote: »

why do you think that it is about ESO players?

it is just a common behavior for pvp crowd in any game

competition adrenaline + interner anonymity and protection

from inevitable and immediate physical harm as a responce

that is what making people act like $%$&* much more than they do it IRL

I think these are inhibitors for sure. I've played many player vs player games and the vitriol is fairly consistent. Now I will say ESO is a bit unique in the things it demands in order to obtain certain achievements such as emp. Barring cheese methods and workarounds, having to quite literally stay up for 3 days (or more) straight with little breaks is bound to make even the most level headed person a mess. There are very real cognitive and emotional issues from having that little of sleep in an environment of constant competition and toxicity. Not to mention the physical risks one can face from that habit like diabetes. And often full time PvPers do this on multiple occasions. Then add to these factors a game that often fails to respond to your imput at crucial moments, and knowing the enemies (that by now you've built up a nemesis relationship with and WILL teabag and shame message you if you die by them) is bound to give anyone a consistent level of anxiety and pent up emotions. And again this dynamic for many PvPers is a daily experience rather than the rarity. And of coarse this sort of thing isn't limited to PvP. I've been in many trial groups that mirror the same level of anxiety and toxicity. Having run the same content over and over and failed over and over. It's difficult to not start pointing fingers and becoming overly critical. All this to say, there are a massive amount of issues and demands put on us by the game and no doubt ones we put on ourselves. So the next time you encounter this OP (and you will!) keep all these things in mind, shrug your shoulders, and move on.

hasi · February 2020

I rather have people call me something like that when they are raging, instead of lying about my actions or harassing me, which I encountered in PvE.

Also, swearing is kind of a stress relief for short-tempered Humans, I feel like. You definitely shouldn't take it personally.

vamp_emily · February 2020

Trash/Smack talking Isn't just seen in "PvP" it is everywhere. I've seen it in dungeons, trials and i'm sure it happens while gathering.

The good thing about trash talk you can just ignore it. You don't have to respond to it, and it is very simple to add players to your ignore list. Trash talk means nothing unless you make it something.

I trash talk sometimes

Just the other day I was playing in a BG and we kept dying. One player kept crying in chat, "You guys are a bunch of idiots... ", "ESO quit grouping me with a bunch of ***.... ".

I checked his score and replied, "<players name> please quit typing, you only have 1 kill".

Kiralyn2000 · February 2020

Yeah, it's not "ESO player" or "PvP players" - it's "overly competitive players", regardless of their game or genre.

(of course, you have a higher proportion of overly-competitive people in PvP, if only because it's a 100% competitive activity.

)

Sandman929 · February 2020

People need to stop equating childish behavior with competitiveness

Kiralyn2000 · February 2020

Sandman929 wrote: »

People need to stop equating childish behavior with competitiveness

That's why I made the distinction of "overly" competitive - you know, the people who get too worked up, take it too far, forget that it's 'just a game', etc?

(And I'm not sure - those pro-sports sideline coaches who scream their faces red, waving their arms & cursing at the refs/players/etc... would you call that behavior "childish" or something else? Childish seems too weak. People who need to get sent to Anger Management classes aren't generally sent because they're "childish".)

IndianaJames7 · February 2020

Not just eso, pvp is a salty environment.

josh.lackey_ESO · February 2020

1) A lot of sweaty tryhards in this game. They hate dying. Mostly because of the mechanics of the game, you can create builds that are extremely advantaged in some way: survivability, damage, permanently invisible, etc. I especially find that being able to spam invisibility at-will in PvP is especially conducive to toxic behavior.

2) A lot of people who play PvP this game, especially the people who play this game a lot, have emotional problems. ESO is a good mix of escapism while still being social, but not too social if you don't want it to be, but also very social if you want it to be. You never feel alone in Cyrodiil, but you also don't have to be committed to a guild or voice chat. But you can be if you want to be.

I have been in either of these categories at different times over the last 5 years. Sometimes both. Now I mostly just play to get event tickets, ever hoping that the "next patch" will bring some improvements or re-balancing to make me more interested in the game again.

idk · February 2020

It is obvious that the player that killed them is at fault. Clearly, they are very skilled so the person capable of killing them must be a bad player.

One has to understand these people are mentally immature as well as a very bad player. Since they can not play well they try to PvP in chat. The best thing to do is not reply to their comments at all. That gives them a reason to climb the stairs, leave them parent's basement, and complain to said parents because some big bad bully beat them up in Player vs Player.

Dusk_Coven · February 2020

Milisa224 wrote: »

Atleast in Siege and Overwatch, toxic players like these get permabanned or atleast a suspension. This is a PvE game, and I just wanted my exp, lmao.

If ZOS or any other game with PvP can't police it, they should remove PvP. It just becomes a skid row of people like it, eventually ruining the community.
Then people wonder why the PvP population is so low and they start trying to force PvP everywhere. We've already seen it on the forums.
Don't think they won't leak into other parts of ESO because most of the game is PvE.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · February 2020

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

My ignore list is full.

I sometimes trash talk, but I don't go down the road where racial, sexual or personal slander is spoken -> It's the easy argument which lacks creativity and in depth comprehension.

There's nothing better than 'you smell like a poo'.

It’s full? I think I blocked one person in 5 years. You might want to take it down a notch.

Yeah, I wasn't used to the trash talk in the beginning ^^

Best is to play offline. I had a conversation with Golum (PC EU Alessia bridge pusher) whilst I was on offline, he replied by jumping for yes and tbagging for no. We had a lovely conversation about fish, ad leaders and lotr lore.

StormeReigns · February 2020

Fun fact: No matter your skill level, good, bad, godly or potato; once you start getting rage whispers, you won. Doesn't matter the environment either. Rage whispers happen equally across PvE as well.

Don't give into the rage, just be polite, lots of thank yous and kindness - they personally love that.

alanmatillab16_ESO · February 2020

Milisa224 wrote: »

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Honestly I still don't understand PvP in this game and why its so bad but this is one of the many players in ESO that Zenimax refuses to take action. Atleast in Siege and Overwatch, toxic players like these get permabanned or atleast a suspension. This is a PvE game, and I just wanted my exp, lmao.
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That is often the same in PVP no matter the game, it is certainly not limited to ESO. If you beat someone in a match it could never be because you were more skilled / lucky it is always because you hacked, are using aimbots, are using the flavour of the month build, you have no life or any other excuse than you simply out played them.

caperb · February 2020

Youyouz06 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

My ignore list is full.

I sometimes trash talk, but I don't go down the road where racial, sexual or personal slander is spoken -> It's the easy argument which lacks creativity and in depth comprehension.

There's nothing better than 'you smell like a poo'.

It’s full? I think I blocked one person in 5 years. You might want to take it down a notch.

Yeah, I wasn't used to the trash talk in the beginning ^^

Best is to play offline. I had a conversation with Golum (PC EU Alessia bridge pusher) whilst I was on offline, he replied by jumping for yes and tbagging for no. We had a lovely conversation about fish, ad leaders and lotr lore.

You should be cautious though, you don't want to look under his towel when he is t-bagging you! @Gambino108

Salvas_Aren · February 2020

Milisa224 wrote: »

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Honestly I still don't understand PvP in this game and why its so bad but this is one of the many players in ESO that Zenimax refuses to take action. Atleast in Siege and Overwatch, toxic players like these get permabanned or atleast a suspension. This is a PvE game, and I just wanted my exp, lmao.
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Spoiled little brats, self-proclaimed kings in life and tryhards in game, cant handle their lack of skill and you, their enemy, dont give them the candy they want from you, so they start screaming like babies.

Works as intended, just tell them to season your fries.

Rake · February 2020

its PvP

BackStabeth · February 2020

Raisin wrote: »

You need to censor the name or you'll get in trouble for it.

PVP makes people angry. It hurts their pride, and hate whispers are common enough a concept for people to feel comfortable playing into the stereotype.

That said, while obviously the whisper is completely unreasonable, you don't get to play the 'it's a PvE game' card when engaging in PvP content. That's silly. I'm assuming this was random BG based on the exp comment, and you do have to at least be willing to give it your best shot if you go for group PVP play to get some exp! Only fair towards other players. If this was a guy you fought, then it is just the hurt ego.

A lot of times it's PvP players who win, who are also toxic. As if ganking someone doesn't satisfy their need to humiliate, they feel they have to go further and really drive griefing home.

The very reason I steer clear of PvP now days, I don't want any reason to be angry. I'm here to have fun, not to have some child try to verbally abuse me while my intent is to enjoy myself.

The days of trolling and griefing are going to come to an end. What these people do not understand beyond not being able to grasp that their behavior is not acceptable, is that fact that the developers of games are here to make money, bottom line. That means anything that negatively affects their profit will be removed.

EA recently made a big stand against bad behavior in banning one of their pro players, permanently, forever, from all EA content.

"A FIFA pro player Kurt‘ Kurt0411’ Fenech has been banned from playing all EA games or accessing EA services, the company announced. The unprecedented move comes after a months-long public feud between Fenech and EA which the company says“cross a line of decency into very personal attacks and breach our Terms of Service.”"

https://www.ign.com/articles/fifa-pro-kurt-banned-from-all-ea-games-and-services-following-latest-attack

They go even further however, changing their TOS so that it is far more strict in regards to people who behave badly, and increasing the number of people who get banned.

Developers are not going to put up with bad, toxic, griefing behavior anymore, the writing is on the wall. If you cannot control your emotions, win or lose, PVE or PvP then there will come a time when you are removed, banned and can no longer play games you might really truly miss.

Kawiki · February 2020

First, You certainly didn't deserve to be treated that way that was just wrong and completely on him/her.

I am not even a serious PvPer but I noticed you said you were just there for your XP. Perhaps you did this but you should at least try and be competitive. Again maybe you have a PvP set or different skills when in PvP and whatnot. It's frustrating to people when others don't give a darn.

What if he walked into your PVE trial group and didn't try?

Just food for thought. Again, you certainly didn't deserve that type of response in any event.

CASP3R421 · February 2020

in my experience lots of the salt whispers come from the playerbase that wishes there were RP servers they could fap on and not worry about tooltips or armor sets

CASP3R421 · February 2020

Neoealth wrote: »

Would take any salty whispers as a sign you're doing something right though, or perhaps have a cheese build that is annoying. One of the two.

having an annoying cheese build is how you do well in pvp

Cirantille · February 2020

At the moment, I am so extremely salty that I could turn into a salt mine: performance.

No one cares about pvp players, I am sure of it now.

TheFM · February 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

At the moment, I am so extremely salty that I could turn into a salt mine: performance.

No one cares about pvp players, I am sure of it now.

Its like they forgot cyrodiil in the update and left the old files or something xD.

Cirantille · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

At the moment, I am so extremely salty that I could turn into a salt mine: performance.

No one cares about pvp players, I am sure of it now.

Its like they forgot cyrodiil in the update and left the old files or something xD.

I immigrated to Kaal with hopes and kicked now

deepseamk20b14_ESO · February 2020

Its because people are trash. People will saying anything when they know the person on the other end cant reach through the internet and break their jaw. Almost every game with PvP involved this happens.

People who clearly never got their bell rung in real life. Probably never learned an ounce of respect from their parents, teachers, coaches, etc.

I get hate tells all the time. Its ridiculous. It comes from bad players who want to blame everyone else for their short comings. It comes from good players who are so used to 1vXing that they have the delusion they are some sort of god so when you kill them in a fair fight they lose their minds on you. People just suck.

I can only imagine these people in real life. The anonymity of gaming amplifies these peoples behaviors and attitudes.

What can you do though? Block them is really it. If its super messed up you can report but they will be back most likely.

Ive blocked people and they literally got their friends to message me on their behalf and continued to talk trash.

Cavedog · February 2020

I was going to type it out with symbols, but I've literally been banned for doing that before.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXvQMfKjuC8