How much to nerf healing?
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »If more sorcs would use one of the most powerful ultimates in the game Negate against ball groups they would shut down the heals. But most would rather Rambo and slot a DPS ultimate.
Yeah Negate Magic is super underrated, even in PVE the stun is amazing on add packs in vet dungeons.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »If more sorcs would use one of the most powerful ultimates in the game Negate against ball groups they would shut down the heals. But most would rather Rambo and slot a DPS ultimate.
Can't you counter negate with another negate?0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Where is the "Not at all." option?
Certainly, I don't want it nerfed in PVE.
Often hardly get any non self-provided heals, in openworld, as it is.
Quite often don't get any in dungeons, either.
I need my self heal and most other people I try to heal with it (even though I'm supposed to be DPS!) need it even more than I do.Edited by Tigerseye on February 20, 2020 4:45AM4 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about other: 0%Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.7 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you nerf healing in PVP, you kill healing for PVE. So quit asking for nerfs because the team that you lost to was better than yours.
You can adjust PvP heals without touching PvE heals. They could actually increase PvE heals whilst simultaneously decreasing PvP heals if they wanted.
And OPs not wrong, the PvP heals in conjunction with some of the ridiculous broekn cheese builds are getting out of hand.
Well, you guys and/or ZOS know what is best in PVP.
I only know it doesn't need nerfing in PVE, so as long as that isn't touched, you and ZOS can work out what to do in PVP.0 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »If more sorcs would use one of the most powerful ultimates in the game Negate against ball groups they would shut down the heals. But most would rather Rambo and slot a DPS ultimate.
Can't you counter negate with another negate?
Just counter the counter negate with another negate, duh.
Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.6 -
danara✭✭✭PvP is nuts with over healing atm. We need to cut all heals down, but by how much?
Dont nerf healing, but nerf *SELF HEALING*.
I would love to see you heal through vCR+3 with 50% less healing...some team already have 3 healers for this phase, now what? the team will be 3 tanks, 6 healers 3 dps?0 -
Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭healing is not a problem... the cleanse is a problem... some classes do instant dmg... some dot's these doing dots now sux... i wrote many times... make new pvp debuff for each class separately, how DK can beat templar?necro?warden?... or how sorc can beat DK? this game PVE is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than PVP... its like two different games! but skills and "balance" is same... thats the problem.0
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Healing “doing a great job of keeping players alive” shocker
Yet another whiney PvP thread...9 -
Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭Healing “doing a great job of keeping players alive” shocker
Yet another whiney PvP thread...
PVP gets worse ... i stopped play pvp... i have one guild with sweet guild leader, she always magically can make me play pvp with guild... but its soo sad mode... go meta or go home...
i wanted to play IC... enterance campers... ALOT NB hiding around corners ... camping for one shoot you when boss or watchers attack you...
For me PVP its lost...
even burst 40k/sec as magsorc isnt fun... i feel pity for players, who re not meta, to survive or even have a chance... then i go warden.... god mode on...
whispers... "play normal setup" "gear carries you" "you re carried by a class"
playing pvp is like swimming in pool full of toxic and undead piranha - attracted by a scent of ur joy...1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you nerf healing in PVP, you kill healing for PVE. So quit asking for nerfs because the team that you lost to was better than yours.
Plus it is a clearly biased poll. So biased that it ensures Zos will ignore the thread. LOL. The smallest nerf being 50% makes the poll completely worthless.
I do expect OP already is aware and doubt they mean the poll to be taken seriously at any level.5 -
BomblePants✭✭✭✭✭
✭Your ‘call for nerfs’ thread is not welcome here OP... we’ve all learnt the hard way that nerfs destroy lives...
#dontdonerfs...5 -
Lintashi✭✭✭✭✭Poll is biased) Nerfing selfheals might work, nerfing group heals is terrible idea- it will kill healers. Currently, healers only needed in trials, 3dd and tank are standard dungeon setup. If damage dealers actually needed heals from a healer, or had no way to heal themselves, and concentrated on dpsing, game would probably be healthier, and such builds mentioned by topic starter would not be present in the game. However, it clashes with "play how you like" ideology, that eso promotes, so not gonna happen. Blanket nerfing heals would drive healers off eso completely.2 -
Aelorin✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I would love to see healing nerfed but an across-the-board cut isn't the right way to go about it.
The main problem is roles OTHER than actual Healers being able to heal themselves effectively in both PvE and PvP (which is why the Healer role is unneeded in much of PvE content).
I would rather see an armor-based penalty (a la spellcasting in Morrowind) to healing where Light Armor has no penalty, Medium Armor has ~50% penalty, and Heavy Armor has ~75% so that especially Heavy Armor users cannot tank, DPS, and heal themselves at the same time. Then you could just abolish the Battle Spirit healing penalty.
It would simultaneously cut down on niussance playstyles in PvP while increasing the demand for Healers in both formats AND it would leave healing in PvE untouched (well, maybe RIP to the 10 Stamina Warden Healers out there).
My first answer: Biased, poll is biased.
I do agree with the above poster that it would a good idea to upgrade the healing role in this game, instead of downgrading it. The only downside from the suggestion above is that solo players will have a lot less self healing, which comprimises the solo content in the game.And so the Elder Scrolls foretold.You will be shy, and I will be bold.0 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Here we go again with the "who needs healers?"-crowd.
Edit: Use negate/defileEdited by Kelces on February 20, 2020 11:02AMYou reveal yourself best in how you play.
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ku5h✭✭✭✭✭
✭50%AcadianPaladin wrote: »PvE healers are flirting with 'irrelevent' so any nerfs to PvE heals will decrease a small and shrinking community.
PvP I don't know or care about. IF such nerfs are deemed appropriate in PvP, then Battle Spirit would seem to be the appropriate tool since healing nerfs to PvE are woefully inappropriate.
Not a PvE player, but my logic tells me that this is the exact reason healers are becoming useless.
If you can plow trough the content without need for a healer, since DPS has enough healing by themselves, that would indicate healing is a bit over the top.
Am i wrong?
But I agree with you, PvP healing should be nerfed trough Battle Spirit.BackStabeth wrote: »
Still say PvPers wanting a healing her are crying about something because it's not easy.
How about impossible!
If you spent any time in Cyro you would know that huge amount of 1v1's end in stalemate since players can't kill each other.
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BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Healing has been needed multiple times. Wonder why people think that’s the solution, especially considering the average heals put out once was considerably higher than they are now.
Mitigation is the problem. Funny how people are more annoying to kill with less heals and no aoe caps than they were before when it was more healing going out + aoe caps.Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.1 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭50%All these people saying healing is fine, yet they don't even realize it was over buffed at the same time dots were over buffed, yet dots got nerfed and healing was left alone. I could heal just fine before the healing overbuff, saying healing would die by putting it back pre elsweyr is just laughable and short sighted.1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭See my signature, asking ZoS for nerfs is as smart as asking for close in fire support from an deathstar.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.4 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have another idea. let's nerf OP's class by 50-75% Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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