How much to nerf healing?

Brandathorbel · February 20

Gilvoth wrote: »

Max it out, loose the heals permanent.
you need defenses? use Shark testosterone pills!

Lose not loose. Would people please spell this word properly. It is an epidemic.

Neoealth · February 20

xbobx15 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Max it out, loose the heals permanent.
you need defenses? use Shark testosterone pills!

Lose not loose. Would people please spell this word properly. It is an epidemic.

I already corrected it for him. I know what you mean though. That and "your" and "you're" are also some common ones which are not used correctly.

Xarcus · February 20

akdave0 wrote: »

If you nerf healing in PVP, you kill healing for PVE. So quit asking for nerfs because the team that you lost to was better than yours.

not if you're applying the nerf to the pvp passive "battle spirit", that only happens in pvp.

Juhasow · February 20

Crosshealing should be looked at.

LordLomax · February 20

😡 leave healing alone already been nerfed healing springs , earthgore etc , you need Ltp .

FoolishOptimist · February 20

I'm not very good a killing in PvP but healing in BG and Cyro is one of my absolute favourite things to do in the game. It's so much more dynamic than in PvE, and i feel like a valuable member of the team buffing my comrades and keeping them moving.

Honestly, these nerf threads are so selfish. Get over yourself and accept that there are multiple ways to play the game and that different people enjoy different playstyles. Don't ruin someone else's fun simply because you're not willing to sacrifice and reorganise your build to implement a counter.

JanTanhide · February 20

None. Stop asking for nerfs all the time.

PrimusNephilim · February 20

Sirona_Starr · February 20

0% for all the above reasons, and it wasn't even part of the poll - which was completely biased. Stop with the damn NERF requests. Seriously!!!!!!!! The end.

arun_rajputb16_ESO · February 20

Urgh, let's kill off healers in PvE.

When i play as healer on PvP, the good, skillful and strategic players target me and try to take me down. My group trys to protect me. And the battle rages on. Great fun.

Instead of just wanting to one shot or bomb people, try using strategy. If the group has healers, take them down first. They'll go down quick after that.

I'd say that's a better mechanic than nerfing something just because, well, you want a game which requires no skill.

Let's all be snipe stackers and see who wins.

The whole point of cyrodiil is to use strategy and numbers to take resources.

Hell, don't the keeps and walls and door get in the way too? Let's get rid of them. Let's just have a big, open, empty field with just all out war with no healers or tanks. That does actually sound fun, though.

zaria · February 20

Sirona_Starr wrote: »

0% for all the above reasons, and it wasn't even part of the poll - which was completely biased. Stop with the damn NERF requests. Seriously!!!!!!!! The end.

Nerf request should cost CP, that would do wonder for no CP PvP

arun_rajputb16_ESO · February 20

zaria wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

Perhaps some heals can receive a nerf similar to streak. Make it more and more expensive to cast heal after heal. But sporadic tactical heals would be unchanged.

Sounds nice until you need to farm an set from some trial

So, the healers have to pause between doing heals? What should we do in between these times? Sit down and have a cuppa?

I don't get it. A healer is supposed to heal. We've been smashed into the ground already. As I said before, just target the healer. Try to use strategy and skill. I get hammered when healing. If I'm in a good group, I get protected. If not, I die. It's not rocket science.

I suggest you go and make a healer and see how tricky it is to heal as it is. The entire mechanic behind groups and synergy between them rests on people having their own jobs. A group of dd's focused on their own personal stats gets nothing done. A group with a mix of roles takes resources and nodes.

Veinblood1965 · February 20

OMG I don't think I've ever seen a more obvious troll post. I fell for it though here I am posting, you deserve an awesome!

TheFM · February 20

50%

arun_rajputb16_ESO wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

Perhaps some heals can receive a nerf similar to streak. Make it more and more expensive to cast heal after heal. But sporadic tactical heals would be unchanged.

Sounds nice until you need to farm an set from some trial

So, the healers have to pause between doing heals? What should we do in between these times? Sit down and have a cuppa?

I don't get it. A healer is supposed to heal. We've been smashed into the ground already. As I said before, just target the healer. Try to use strategy and skill. I get hammered when healing. If I'm in a good group, I get protected. If not, I die. It's not rocket science.

I suggest you go and make a healer and see how tricky it is to heal as it is. The entire mechanic behind groups and synergy between them rests on people having their own jobs. A group of dd's focused on their own personal stats gets nothing done. A group with a mix of roles takes resources and nodes.

How have you been smashed into the ground? Heals got a ridiculous buff after elsweyr and never got toned down since.

idk · February 20

ku5h wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

PvE healers are flirting with 'irrelevent' so any nerfs to PvE heals will decrease a small and shrinking community.

PvP I don't know or care about. IF such nerfs are deemed appropriate in PvP, then Battle Spirit would seem to be the appropriate tool since healing nerfs to PvE are woefully inappropriate.

Not a PvE player, but my logic tells me that this is the exact reason healers are becoming useless.
If you can plow trough the content without need for a healer, since DPS has enough healing by themselves, that would indicate healing is a bit over the top.
Am i wrong?
But I agree with you, PvP healing should be nerfed trough Battle Spirit.

You are not entirely correct. Just like a skill PvP player can avoid and mitigate much of the damage someone tosses their way the same holds true in PvE. Since the day this game released avoiding and mitigating damage was the greatest factor with a player's survival in both settings.

relentless_turnip · February 20

Nerf cross healing through battle spirit that is all.
Reduce healing received from an ally by 75% instead of 50% so only a dedicated healer can have a real impact on ally healing.
Only allow heals to party members in a pvp area, this should reduce server calculations too.

Allow us to switch smart healing priority so it always heals the caster first, this will avoid accidental cross healing, when you just want to use bloody rapid regen on yourself

Then just reduce the effectiveness of the red cp tree in pvp area's, this won't effect no cp or pve as i don't think it is an issue there. I would suggest reducing ironclad's(and thick skinned if DOTs ever become something to fear again) effectiveness by 50% so you will lose roughly 10% mitigation in cp campaigns.

Lady_Linux · February 20

75%

just get rid of all heals and be done with it. While were at it get rid of all magicka based and stamina based class skills.

Lets just throw rocks at each other and be done with everything else...

Agenericname · February 20

Lady_Linux wrote: »

just get rid of all heals and be done with it. While were at it get rid of all magicka based and stamina based class skills.

Lets just throw rocks at each other and be done with everything else...

Theres no need to dumb it down that far. Sticks for stam and stones for magicka. If you're a templar you get a golden yellow stick. Dragon knights get a burnt orange stick and so on. We need to preserve flavor.

relentless_turnip · February 20

Agenericname wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

just get rid of all heals and be done with it. While were at it get rid of all magicka based and stamina based class skills.

Lets just throw rocks at each other and be done with everything else...

Theres no need to dumb it down that far. Sticks for stam and stones for magicka. If you're a templar you get a golden yellow stick. Dragon knights get a burnt orange stick and so on. We need to preserve flavor.

I love the use of class identity, take note ZOS!

TequilaFire · February 20

They will still complain because one stick looks bigger than the other.

relentless_turnip · February 20

TequilaFire wrote: »

They will still complain because on stick looks bigger than the other.

homogenise sticks!!!

StormeReigns · February 20

TequilaFire wrote: »

They will still complain because on stick looks bigger than the other.

Dont forget, sorc rocks will have moss. Moss are OP shields, sorcs need to be nerfed cause strunk shields and pets!

Hapexamendios · February 20

Nerfing nerfers go nerf somewhere else.

Malmai · February 20

Hmm ok just remove healing for everybody than...

Kaartinen · February 20

None. What a messed up poll.

Fur_like_snow · February 20

About half of what they heal for now. Start with rapid regen.

butterrum222 · February 20

75%

Buff snipe

sproattt · February 20

Rework battle spirit, take the max health away as well or reduce it to 50% from 100%. I wouldn't touch any sort of major mending or healing % passives due to it affecting PvE in more ways than one.

PvP healing is out of control, passive healing + smart healing are the biggest contributors. Only way you're really avoiding most of this is if you're burst combination has no cast times or delays which in my case(Nightblade) has we suffer from it as it burst cant hit in the GCD window to get burst with a stun or fear in.

I don't think ZoS are going to handle this well, even though they'll NERF healing so much that DKs with Mending will be the beneficiary of such a NERF ever affects Vigour.

I didn't vote as all the %s are too high, maybe a slight NERF to rapid Regen as they nerfed vigours AOE last patch; reduced tick of heal from Templar ring in PvP only; the snare removal was okay but the heal from it heals for 22s in a 22m radius every 2s which is still insane in ball groups/zergs in PvP (as it stacks with other Plars rituals and it purges).

Joy_Division · February 20

0%.

Healing wouldn't be a problem if offensive skills, Dots, and cc wasn't water-down and overnerfed because of PvP complaints in the first place.

sproattt · February 20

Joy_Division wrote: »

0%.

Healing wouldn't be a problem if offensive skills, Dots, and cc wasn't water-down and overnerfed because of PvP complaints in the first place.

Yeah but knowing this combat team, there more likely giving out nerfs than buffs. Let be realistic here.