If you have many spare transmute stones you can convert a weapon to nirnhoned, deconstruct the weapon and sell the potent nirncrux to make some gold.

@zvavi -They could make unlimited transmute crystals the eso+ perk

@Septimus_Magna -Thats an interesting idea, but I do daily writs on 11 characters so I already have more gold than I can spend.

Not gonna happen unless ZOS fundamentally changes their vision for transmutation.

ZOS' intent for transmutation is that it won't replace the grind for gear and weapons in the correct trait, but rather serves as assurance that eventually you can get your preferred trait. The limitation keeps players from just stacking up crystals, while the geodes loading up inventory or mail is the same as every other inventory issue in the game, I.e. make a problem, sell the ESO+/storage chest solution.

(But Jewelrycrafting! Yeah, well, ZOS deliberately made transmutation the only method to get the new jewelry traits. Likely in order to create a guaranteed sink for transmute crystals for the people who both change jewelry traits and get the most crystals: PVPers and trials groups.)

redlink1979 wrote: »

Why don't you just use them?!

And if you don't need them, why do you keep collecting them?!

We do t use them because sometimes you are saving them for gear that you need to farm in the future.

As for why you keep collecting them after you have 200? Well it's not like its intentional. Getting transmutation geodes is a by product of every day gameplay be it pledges, trials, or pvp. These dont stack, take up inventory, and are too valuable to toss.

Tbh this system needs to be looked at. Either geodes need to be stackable or the currency needs to be changed. IMO I would like to see either a transmute cost reduction (ie 25) or a base incrsase of the limit. Personally I find it frustrating that you cant transmute the traits on a full set of gear unless you reach the limit several times

There need to be limits otherwise people would hoard them like this and then enver do dungeons again thus making it harder for people trying to pug to find a group. Could it be upped at this point to like 400 maybe, but there needs to be some type of limit.

I have said this in every one of these threads when they pop up. The Transmute limit was introduced prior to jewelry crafting. At that point, the limit made sense.

But, since Jewelry crafting was introduced, this limit makes no sense. There is literally no other way to grind the new traits for overland and dungeon gear. Transmutation is the only way possible to get those traits on dropped jewelry. As such, the "ZOS wants you to grind for your gear" arguments no longer hold water. If ZOS were to introduce all of the new jewelry traits into the dropped gear tables, then yes, the argument would hold. But they haven't, and the transmute cap needs to be removed.

The issue ends up being that it is hard to test gear, including jewelry traits, on builds without using transmute stones on the jewelry because you cannot just farm the desired traits to test like you can with the rest of the gear. So you actually need the transmutes and just wasting them on transmuting things you don't need, just to use them, doesn't really work for that issue.

I think transmute crystals should be saleable but for that to work, they would need to remove the limit. It wouldn't be unlike IC keys being saleable.

Agenericname wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Tbh this system needs to be looked at. Either geodes need to be stackable or the currency needs to be changed.

Tbh the current system is fine.

As @VaranisArano pointed out, Transmute is not intended to replace you running content to get the gear you need.

Transmute is intended to provide a “finish line” for running content ... so you can properly get the right trait on the gear you’ve picked up.

It wouldn't replace grinding gear. In many cases it's easier and faster to grind the gear anyway, weapons, jewelry and some monster sets being the exception. The weapons grind is so ridiculous in some cases a player could go to Cyrodiil and earn enough crystals to transmute 10 weapons in the same amount of time. I feel like that's being overly generous.

There should be limits, but if they're going to make "balance changes" as often and as drastic as they have been, then they should also adjust the amount we can store whether they increase the cap or make them stackable.

I worry that if they up the limit to accommodate for the drastic combat changes, they’ll feel free to make more drastic combat changes. Better to hold them to toning down the changes than giving them any sort of excuse to keep on.

Buddy_Cactus wrote: »

I think transmute crystals should be saleable but for that to work, they would need to remove the limit. It wouldn't be unlike IC keys being saleable.

Crystals are sellable, in effect. I get about a 75% recovery rate on transmuted nirn, which is not bad for something going for 25k (PC-NA). Averages out to around 17k (after expenses) per transmutation — more if you sell directly rather than through a guild store. Not OP, by any means, but not bad.

virtus753 wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Tbh this system needs to be looked at. Either geodes need to be stackable or the currency needs to be changed.

Tbh the current system is fine.

As @VaranisArano pointed out, Transmute is not intended to replace you running content to get the gear you need.

Transmute is intended to provide a “finish line” for running content ... so you can properly get the right trait on the gear you’ve picked up.

It wouldn't replace grinding gear. In many cases it's easier and faster to grind the gear anyway, weapons, jewelry and some monster sets being the exception. The weapons grind is so ridiculous in some cases a player could go to Cyrodiil and earn enough crystals to transmute 10 weapons in the same amount of time. I feel like that's being overly generous.

There should be limits, but if they're going to make "balance changes" as often and as drastic as they have been, then they should also adjust the amount we can store whether they increase the cap or make them stackable.

I worry that if they up the limit to accommodate for the drastic combat changes, they’ll feel free to make more drastic combat changes. Better to hold them to toning down the changes than giving them any sort of excuse to keep on.

Buddy_Cactus wrote: »

I think transmute crystals should be saleable but for that to work, they would need to remove the limit. It wouldn't be unlike IC keys being saleable.

Crystals are sellable, in effect. I get about a 75% recovery rate on transmuted nirn, which is not bad for something going for 25k (PC-NA). Averages out to around 17k (after expenses) per transmutation — more if you sell directly rather than through a guild store. Not OP, by any means, but not bad.

I mean being able to actually sell transmute crystals to other players.

Agenericname wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Tbh this system needs to be looked at. Either geodes need to be stackable or the currency needs to be changed.

Tbh the current system is fine.

As @VaranisArano pointed out, Transmute is not intended to replace you running content to get the gear you need.

Transmute is intended to provide a “finish line” for running content ... so you can properly get the right trait on the gear you’ve picked up.

It wouldn't replace grinding gear. In many cases it's easier and faster to grind the gear anyway, weapons, jewelry and some monster sets being the exception. The weapons grind is so ridiculous in some cases a player could go to Cyrodiil and earn enough crystals to transmute 10 weapons in the same amount of time. I feel like that's being overly generous.

There should be limits, but if they're going to make "balance changes" as often and as drastic as they have been, then they should also adjust the amount we can store whether they increase the cap or make them stackable.

I worry that if they up the limit to accommodate for the drastic combat changes, they’ll feel free to make more drastic combat changes. Better to hold them to toning down the changes than giving them any sort of excuse to keep on.

Buddy_Cactus wrote: »

I think transmute crystals should be saleable but for that to work, they would need to remove the limit. It wouldn't be unlike IC keys being saleable.

Crystals are sellable, in effect. I get about a 75% recovery rate on transmuted nirn, which is not bad for something going for 25k (PC-NA). Averages out to around 17k (after expenses) per transmutation — more if you sell directly rather than through a guild store. Not OP, by any means, but not bad.

I think that ship has sailed.

Harrowstorm is not bad by comparison — excepting the Iceheart nerf, which has its own massively flawed reasoning. Still, one boat-rocking change is better than many.

Buddy_Cactus wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Tbh this system needs to be looked at. Either geodes need to be stackable or the currency needs to be changed.

Tbh the current system is fine.

As @VaranisArano pointed out, Transmute is not intended to replace you running content to get the gear you need.

Transmute is intended to provide a “finish line” for running content ... so you can properly get the right trait on the gear you’ve picked up.

It wouldn't replace grinding gear. In many cases it's easier and faster to grind the gear anyway, weapons, jewelry and some monster sets being the exception. The weapons grind is so ridiculous in some cases a player could go to Cyrodiil and earn enough crystals to transmute 10 weapons in the same amount of time. I feel like that's being overly generous.

There should be limits, but if they're going to make "balance changes" as often and as drastic as they have been, then they should also adjust the amount we can store whether they increase the cap or make them stackable.

I worry that if they up the limit to accommodate for the drastic combat changes, they’ll feel free to make more drastic combat changes. Better to hold them to toning down the changes than giving them any sort of excuse to keep on.

Buddy_Cactus wrote: »

I think transmute crystals should be saleable but for that to work, they would need to remove the limit. It wouldn't be unlike IC keys being saleable.

Crystals are sellable, in effect. I get about a 75% recovery rate on transmuted nirn, which is not bad for something going for 25k (PC-NA). Averages out to around 17k (after expenses) per transmutation — more if you sell directly rather than through a guild store. Not OP, by any means, but not bad.

I mean being able to actually sell transmute crystals to other players.

To make crystals buyable (with gold) would be more convenient, sure, but it would contradict the developers’ intentions for the system, as Varanis, Taleof2Cities, and others explained above. ZOS intends crystals to be account-bound and require grinding, which is intentionally inconvenient for us. Look at event tickets, which are far worse in terms of contrived micromanagement. I fear that if they made crystals buyable, it would be through the crown store just like tickets.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If a player had unlimited transmute stones, all they have to do is run to a guild store and buy a complete overland set (including weapons and jewelry) for gold ... and then transmute the entire 12-piece set to their desired trait. No content grind needed.

A player can already do that. I can go to a guild trader and buy all pieces of gear in all desired traits and not spend any time grinding for that gear or using transmutes (unless I wish to change the jewelry traits).

But still, you have to grind something to make the gold to do this. Whether that is AP, gear to sell, daily writs, etc.