Shout in Elder Scrolls Online.

Kadoozy · February 2020

Just make it a 365 point level system (don't miss them days!) similar to horse riding levels. That should keep people busy trying to learn the shout and appease lore nerds.

Jk though don't add shouts into this game. I'm a lore nerd.

Mr_Walker · February 2020

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

I’d rather have this sword....

That sword matches most of the shoulderpads.

dazee · February 2020

My character is not a Dragonborn, she is a Potatoborn thank you very much, with the ancient power of tubers in her veins she takes on all evil!

CASP3R421 · February 2020

just use /yell

xxthir13enxx · February 2020

https://youtu.be/RQTPi7C2ixw

mikyfuentes · February 2020

How to insert the skill line, how to balance everything, how to insert the right learning difficulty I think it is not a problem for the developers, they could insert them without problems.

Iccotak · February 2020

devaneiosonho wrote: »

SpiderKnight wrote: »

But you need dragon souls to unlock the dragon shouts.
We can't absorb dragon souls in eso because...
We are not dragonborn.

End of discussion, thanks everyone, bye, mods close thread, quick!

What? You don't need dragon souls to unlock shouts. Almost all nords can learn the thu'um, be one of the Tongues. You just need a way to learn, time and patience.

Years worth of patience.
Dragonborn can instantly unlock words by absorbing Souls

mikyfuentes · February 2020

I think nothing is impossible, considering that dragons should not be there until alduin returns ... yet here they are in the game. beyond Paarthurnax that has always been waiting for us on the mountain.

mikyfuentes · February 2020

Considering if we had talked about dragons before the insertion, half the community wouldn't have agreed, yet here they are.

Iccotak · February 2020

mikyfuentes wrote: »

I think nothing is impossible, considering that dragons should not be there until alduin returns ... yet here they are in the game. beyond Paarthurnax that has always been waiting for us on the mountain.

Except in the lore we have known that there are Dragons
Even before Skyrim in TES: Redguard Dragons worked with Tiberius Septim - Nahfahlar being one of them

So Dragon being around before Alduin's return is actually Lore Friendly

OtarTheMad · February 2020

I wouldn't want a shout skill line or anything. But draugr and Nord NPC's who can use shouts... that'd be fine, it fits lore.

mikyfuentes · February 2020

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I wouldn't want a shout skill line or anything. But draugr and Nord NPC's who can use shouts... that'd be fine, it fits lore.

Of course, absolutely.

FierceSam · February 2020

200 players all using shouts in PvP?

Not a great idea.

I’m not bothered about going to Skyrim, I just don’t want to play Skyrim Online.

Thevampirenight · February 2020

Shouts are a mythic level type of magic. Dragon language isn't just words its also power. Mortals can in fact learn it. But here is the deal for a mortal to use the power not only do they have to know how to read or speak the dragon language but they would have to know it with the core of their being and in their hearts and in their minds and likely in their souls.

They have to speak these words so much that they know it by heart and likely have to meditate on it for a long time to even speak one word Its a life time endeavor for groups like the Greybeard. Recruits are likely selected at a very young age to climb the mountain to join up. If you want to know how long it takes greybeards to learn to truly master it takes a long long time. There is a reason why they are called Greybeards.

They would have to recruit them at a very young age because of how long it takes for them to master it and even then they will never fully master it like a Dragonborn. Who could know hundreds or even thousands of Shout combinations if they had the full knowledge of the Dragon language and the time to learn it and if they trained like the Greybeards did. That is how powerful the Last Dragonborn was though mechanics might have limited how powerful we became. But with all those dragon souls plus all those shouts and if the last dragonborn took up mediation like the Greybeards oh boy they would be extremely powerful. More powerful then the most powerful Greybeards who can't even talk because their voices are so powerful. Now that is how powerful a Dragonborn can be if they knew the language if they took up the path of the Greybeard.

For a vampire it might be possible for them if they take the time of many many life times to learn the way of the voice to get close to the mastery that the Last Dragonborn had potential for. Other then having to drink blood they could take up the Mastery a lot further then a Greybeard. Would be neat if they could do a boss like this a vampire ancient that practiced the Thu'um that would be interesting.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dovahkiin

Here is the thing Shouts are so powerful balancing them would not be easy. The lore is clear how hard it is to learn it unless you have the soul of a dragon. It would likely take a very very very long time for the vestige to do it in game. Its not worth it and the reason why they might be unwilling to do it.

Several of the Draugr in TES 5 Skyrim knew Shouts because they knew the dragon language as they were around it and many of them even worshiped Dragons. A lot of the Draugr we encounter in Skyrim are from the Time periods when the Dragon Cult and Dragons Ruled over Skyrim. Some did have the potential and had learned some words of the Thu'um but it still likely took them many years in life to learn the shouts they did use in Skyrim.
Thing is it won't work shouts are far too powerful and very hard to learn realistically for an mmo.

Vampire Lords are easier to do since we get our full vampirism from a pure blooded vampire Lamae. They are going ahead and adding them in and since a second generation vampire lord would be as powerful as a werewolf. Or even a bit more powerful then one and I think that might be the only reason why we are getting Vampire Lords at all.

But don't expect them to ever give us a Thu'um skill line. I hope they never ever do it and if they do them they better be OP as can be. As they rightfully should be very op. If you want to Shout play TES 5 Skyrim but for an mmo such as this its a bad idea. But I do understand the desire to see them. But thinking about it it wouldn't be a good idea maybe one day they could do something with the Thu'um but I don't think they should do it. I'd rather have spell crafting to be honest with you.

Carespanker · February 2020

Imagine if they took the "star wars galaxies: becoming a jedi" approach where it took literal years of dedication (before pay2win ruined it) to be a jedi and it was so difficult to pull off that only 5% of all players ever achieved it. Hard to obtain things like that are what make mmos memorable and ide love to see a non-casual approach to this game for once to inspire the player base to get good. Sadly due to zos's play however you want attitude and everything needing to be playable by 100% of the player base fresh out the gate mindset; a dream of a hardcore objective is never going to see the light of day. In reality its almost impossible for them to add it without pissing everyone off.

But, there is still hope.... Parthunax was datamined ages ago so we're most likely going to see him again, which means this is zenimax's only chance to add Thuum into the game, so the fever dream lives on!

FierceSam · February 2020

Carespanker wrote: »

Imagine if they took the "star wars galaxies: becoming a jedi" approach where it took literal years of dedication (before pay2win ruined it) to be a jedi and it was so difficult to pull off that only 5% of all players ever achieved it. Hard to obtain things like that are what make mmos memorable and ide love to see a non-casual approach to this game for once to inspire the player base to get good. Sadly due to zos's play however you want attitude and everything needing to be playable by 100% of the player base fresh out the gate mindset; a dream of a hardcore objective is never going to see the light of day. In reality its almost impossible for them to add it without pissing everyone off.

But, there is still hope.... Parthunax was datamined ages ago so we're most likely going to see him again, which means this is zenimax's only chance to add Thuum into the game, so the fever dream lives on!

I’m pretty sure not even 0.05% of the ESO population has completed the most difficult content in the game. Hard to obtain things like that do seem to encourage players to keep developing. I’m pretty sure things like vet Sunspire provide the “hardcore objective” you mention.

Making some content that is accessible to everyone is a great idea and doesn’t equate with dumbing down the game.

mikyfuentes · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Shouts are a mythic level type of magic. Dragon language isn't just words its also power. Mortals can in fact learn it. But here is the deal for a mortal to use the power not only do they have to know how to read or speak the dragon language but they would have to know it with the core of their being and in their hearts and in their minds and likely in their souls.

They have to speak these words so much that they know it by heart and likely have to meditate on it for a long time to even speak one word Its a life time endeavor for groups like the Greybeard. Recruits are likely selected at a very young age to climb the mountain to join up. If you want to know how long it takes greybeards to learn to truly master it takes a long long time. There is a reason why they are called Greybeards.

They would have to recruit them at a very young age because of how long it takes for them to master it and even then they will never fully master it like a Dragonborn. Who could know hundreds or even thousands of Shout combinations if they had the full knowledge of the Dragon language and the time to learn it and if they trained like the Greybeards did. That is how powerful the Last Dragonborn was though mechanics might have limited how powerful we became. But with all those dragon souls plus all those shouts and if the last dragonborn took up mediation like the Greybeards oh boy they would be extremely powerful. More powerful then the most powerful Greybeards who can't even talk because their voices are so powerful. Now that is how powerful a Dragonborn can be if they knew the language if they took up the path of the Greybeard.

For a vampire it might be possible for them if they take the time of many many life times to learn the way of the voice to get close to the mastery that the Last Dragonborn had potential for. Other then having to drink blood they could take up the Mastery a lot further then a Greybeard. Would be neat if they could do a boss like this a vampire ancient that practiced the Thu'um that would be interesting.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dovahkiin

Here is the thing Shouts are so powerful balancing them would not be easy. The lore is clear how hard it is to learn it unless you have the soul of a dragon. It would likely take a very very very long time for the vestige to do it in game. Its not worth it and the reason why they might be unwilling to do it.

Several of the Draugr in TES 5 Skyrim knew Shouts because they knew the dragon language as they were around it and many of them even worshiped Dragons. A lot of the Draugr we encounter in Skyrim are from the Time periods when the Dragon Cult and Dragons Ruled over Skyrim. Some did have the potential and had learned some words of the Thu'um but it still likely took them many years in life to learn the shouts they did use in Skyrim.
Thing is it won't work shouts are far too powerful and very hard to learn realistically for an mmo.

Vampire Lords are easier to do since we get our full vampirism from a pure blooded vampire Lamae. They are going ahead and adding them in and since a second generation vampire lord would be as powerful as a werewolf. Or even a bit more powerful then one and I think that might be the only reason why we are getting Vampire Lords at all.

But don't expect them to ever give us a Thu'um skill line. I hope they never ever do it and if they do them they better be OP as can be. As they rightfully should be very op. If you want to Shout play TES 5 Skyrim but for an mmo such as this its a bad idea.

So how did the ancient north dragonrend learn quickly? it was during the dragon war and Parthunax helped learn the shout to mortals. 10 years to learn dragonrend the dragons would have already devoured half a tamriel.

Carespanker · February 2020

FierceSam wrote: »

Carespanker wrote: »

Imagine if they took the "star wars galaxies: becoming a jedi" approach where it took literal years of dedication (before pay2win ruined it) to be a jedi and it was so difficult to pull off that only 5% of all players ever achieved it. Hard to obtain things like that are what make mmos memorable and ide love to see a non-casual approach to this game for once to inspire the player base to get good. Sadly due to zos's play however you want attitude and everything needing to be playable by 100% of the player base fresh out the gate mindset; a dream of a hardcore objective is never going to see the light of day. In reality its almost impossible for them to add it without pissing everyone off.

But, there is still hope.... Parthunax was datamined ages ago so we're most likely going to see him again, which means this is zenimax's only chance to add Thuum into the game, so the fever dream lives on!

I’m pretty sure not even 0.05% of the ESO population has completed the most difficult content in the game. Hard to obtain things like that do seem to encourage players to keep developing. I’m pretty sure things like vet Sunspire provide the “hardcore objective” you mention.

Making some content that is accessible to everyone is a great idea and doesn’t equate with dumbing down the game.

vet sunspire isn't hard though, its only hard to 99.95% of the player base because 95% don't know how to animation cancel/weave due to zos never explained it to people, and the rest just can't be bothered to put in the effort for slightly better false gods and yol lol. Now godslayer, on the other hand, is a different story... but thats still 1 hardcore GROUP event per expansion! We haven't gotten remotely challenging single-player content since VMA and even that was doable for anyone with over 2 braincells in under 2 hours before they nerfed it.

What im talking about is a farm, a long, grueling, difficult farm that tested skill and patience for both group and single-player content that could only be achieved by the most no lifest players, so they actually feel like they earned it. Thuum, much like Sword Singing, IS something that would require that level of dedication lore wise and gameplay-wise or people will just hate it as psijic order 2.0.

Thevampirenight · February 2020

mikyfuentes wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Shouts are a mythic level type of magic. Dragon language isn't just words its also power. Mortals can in fact learn it. But here is the deal for a mortal to use the power not only do they have to know how to read or speak the dragon language but they would have to know it with the core of their being and in their hearts and in their minds and likely in their souls.

They have to speak these words so much that they know it by heart and likely have to meditate on it for a long time to even speak one word Its a life time endeavor for groups like the Greybeard. Recruits are likely selected at a very young age to climb the mountain to join up. If you want to know how long it takes greybeards to learn to truly master it takes a long long time. There is a reason why they are called Greybeards.

They would have to recruit them at a very young age because of how long it takes for them to master it and even then they will never fully master it like a Dragonborn. Who could know hundreds or even thousands of Shout combinations if they had the full knowledge of the Dragon language and the time to learn it and if they trained like the Greybeards did. That is how powerful the Last Dragonborn was though mechanics might have limited how powerful we became. But with all those dragon souls plus all those shouts and if the last dragonborn took up mediation like the Greybeards oh boy they would be extremely powerful. More powerful then the most powerful Greybeards who can't even talk because their voices are so powerful. Now that is how powerful a Dragonborn can be if they knew the language if they took up the path of the Greybeard.

For a vampire it might be possible for them if they take the time of many many life times to learn the way of the voice to get close to the mastery that the Last Dragonborn had potential for. Other then having to drink blood they could take up the Mastery a lot further then a Greybeard. Would be neat if they could do a boss like this a vampire ancient that practiced the Thu'um that would be interesting.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dovahkiin

Here is the thing Shouts are so powerful balancing them would not be easy. The lore is clear how hard it is to learn it unless you have the soul of a dragon. It would likely take a very very very long time for the vestige to do it in game. Its not worth it and the reason why they might be unwilling to do it.

Several of the Draugr in TES 5 Skyrim knew Shouts because they knew the dragon language as they were around it and many of them even worshiped Dragons. A lot of the Draugr we encounter in Skyrim are from the Time periods when the Dragon Cult and Dragons Ruled over Skyrim. Some did have the potential and had learned some words of the Thu'um but it still likely took them many years in life to learn the shouts they did use in Skyrim.
Thing is it won't work shouts are far too powerful and very hard to learn realistically for an mmo.

Vampire Lords are easier to do since we get our full vampirism from a pure blooded vampire Lamae. They are going ahead and adding them in and since a second generation vampire lord would be as powerful as a werewolf. Or even a bit more powerful then one and I think that might be the only reason why we are getting Vampire Lords at all.

But don't expect them to ever give us a Thu'um skill line. I hope they never ever do it and if they do them they better be OP as can be. As they rightfully should be very op. If you want to Shout play TES 5 Skyrim but for an mmo such as this its a bad idea.

So how did the ancient north dragonrend learn quickly? it was during the dragon war and Parthunax helped learn the shout to mortals. 10 years to learn dragonrend the dragons would have already devoured half a tamriel.

Dragon Rend was a unique shout created by Mortals. It might have taken them a while to come up with it. They used the Dragon Words for Mortal, Finite and Temporary. Because of the Nature of Dragons, Dragons cannot use this shout only mortals can. Since Mortals are well Mortals this one might be the unique exception.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dragonrend

Also the Dragon War likely lasted a long time, It could have lasted for many years. Long enough for them to be able to learn the art of the Thu'um and come up with the Anti Dragon Shout plus acquire an Elder Scroll. Here is the lore on the Dragon War.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Dragon_War
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#The_Dragon_War
The Dragon War
Dragons were revered as part of the Nordic religion.[19] Dragon priests, on par with kings in terms of the power they wielded, acted as intermediaries between the people and the serpentine "god-kings", whose name could not even be uttered by the common folk.[19] Temples were built to honor and appease the dragons, many of which survive today as ancient ruins haunted by Draugr and undead dragon priests.[19][20] The dragon priests in Tamriel became more tyrannical and the populace eventually rebelled some time in the Merethic Era, leading to the legendary Dragon War.[19] Some dragons turned against their own kind and taught the Nords powerful magic that allowed them to turn the tide of the war in their favor.[19] After a long and bloody campaign, the rule of the dragons was ended, and the remaining wyrms fled to remote areas.[19] The Dragon Cult survived for a time, but was marginalized and eventually died out.[19] Other traditional Nordic beliefs, known as the Old Ways, continued on, and remained prevalent among Nords even after the introduction of the Divines.

JamuThatsWho · February 2020

Plus, mechanics and everything else aside, the Alessian Covenant with Akatosh is somewhat up in the air.

Varen disrupted the line of succession with the Five Companions, while Mannimarco's ritual used the Amulet of Kings for the Soulburst.

Then, to defeat Molag Bal, Varen consumed the Amulet to empower the Soulless One, expending its power for at least a generation.

That said, I'm not sure there can be any natural Dragonborn. And like others have already pointed out, learning the simplest Thu'um takes years for non-Dragonborn.

It just isn't viable from either a lore or gameplay perspective.

mikyfuentes · February 2020

I understand everything and I like to listen to your opinions, but I think that for how many people can make the insertion of screams angry, it would attract twice as much at stake. The way to insert them will be at the discretion of the developers, if they do.

LadyNalcarya · February 2020

mikyfuentes wrote: »

Hello everyone, today I would like to talk about a topic that for many is a taboo but for many others it is a dream, the shouts in Elder Scrolls Online. I read many comments that said "No! You're not a dragonborn! This is ESO not Skyrim!" Now I would like to present my thoughts to you: Given and considered that the role of the dragonborn is not to scream, but to definitively kill a dragon by absorbing its soul, yes, learn shouts faster but surely you could insert a way to learn the words, considering that in skyrim used shouts the graybeards, ulfric and if you remember well the draugr in the mounds also used shouts, as well as the heroes north of sovardarde used clear skies in the clash against alduin, without forgetting that dragonrend is learned by watching the ancient north scream through the vision of the elder scroll, and none of them are dragonborn, so learning shouts in Elder Scrolls Online I think it's absolutely lore friendly. Simply for me it would be right to put them in the game.

Being able to quickly learn shouts is one of the things that are unique to a dragonborn. As a normal person you'd have to dedicate years of your life to learn just one shout.

Juhasow · February 2020

Why people always want to bring what was unique in other TES games to ESO. If I want to play as shout spammer I will play skyrim. ESO is not Skyrim. I would like to get new and unique things in ESO rather then just reheated stuff from other TES titles.

Septimus_Magna · February 2020

Shouts could definitely work in ESO, they could fit in with a Dragonguard Guild skill lines. It would also be cool if you could charge shouts (stage 1-3), this could give these shout abilities a different feel than the current skills.

Fus Ro Dah as cone AoE knock back.
The Whirlwind Sprint could be a poor mans version of Streak.
Elemental Fury to increase your own attack speed, Battle Fury to increase the attack speed of allies.
Fire Breath as DOT is already in the game, maybe something like a channeled AoE execute for magicka builds.
Ice Breath, Ice Form and Storm Call would also be nice to see.
Maybe even something like Become Ethereal (comparable to Mist Form) or Cyclone that could be used as a group CC ability.

mikyfuentes · February 2020

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Shouts could definitely work in ESO, they could fit in with a Dragonguard Guild skill lines. It would also be cool if you could charge shouts (stage 1-3), this could give these shout abilities a different feel than the current skills.

Fus Ro Dah as cone AoE knock back.
The Whirlwind Sprint could be a poor mans version of Streak.
Elemental Fury to increase your own attack speed, Battle Fury to increase the attack speed of allies.
Fire Breath as DOT is already in the game, maybe something like a channeled AoE execute for magicka builds.
Ice Breath, Ice Form and Storm Call would also be nice to see.
Maybe even something like Become Ethereal (comparable to Mist Form) or Cyclone that could be used as a group CC ability.

That's what I'd like to see in the game, good.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Shouts are a mythic level type of magic. Dragon language isn't just words its also power. Mortals can in fact learn it. But here is the deal for a mortal to use the power not only do they have to know how to read or speak the dragon language but they would have to know it with the core of their being and in their hearts and in their minds and likely in their souls.

They have to speak these words so much that they know it by heart and likely have to meditate on it for a long time to even speak one word Its a life time endeavor for groups like the Greybeard. Recruits are likely selected at a very young age to climb the mountain to join up. If you want to know how long it takes greybeards to learn to truly master it takes a long long time. There is a reason why they are called Greybeards.

They would have to recruit them at a very young age because of how long it takes for them to master it and even then they will never fully master it like a Dragonborn. Who could know hundreds or even thousands of Shout combinations if they had the full knowledge of the Dragon language and the time to learn it and if they trained like the Greybeards did. That is how powerful the Last Dragonborn was though mechanics might have limited how powerful we became. But with all those dragon souls plus all those shouts and if the last dragonborn took up mediation like the Greybeards oh boy they would be extremely powerful. More powerful then the most powerful Greybeards who can't even talk because their voices are so powerful. Now that is how powerful a Dragonborn can be if they knew the language if they took up the path of the Greybeard.

For a vampire it might be possible for them if they take the time of many many life times to learn the way of the voice to get close to the mastery that the Last Dragonborn had potential for. Other then having to drink blood they could take up the Mastery a lot further then a Greybeard. Would be neat if they could do a boss like this a vampire ancient that practiced the Thu'um that would be interesting.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dovahkiin

Here is the thing Shouts are so powerful balancing them would not be easy. The lore is clear how hard it is to learn it unless you have the soul of a dragon. It would likely take a very very very long time for the vestige to do it in game. Its not worth it and the reason why they might be unwilling to do it.

Several of the Draugr in TES 5 Skyrim knew Shouts because they knew the dragon language as they were around it and many of them even worshiped Dragons. A lot of the Draugr we encounter in Skyrim are from the Time periods when the Dragon Cult and Dragons Ruled over Skyrim. Some did have the potential and had learned some words of the Thu'um but it still likely took them many years in life to learn the shouts they did use in Skyrim.
Thing is it won't work shouts are far too powerful and very hard to learn realistically for an mmo.

Vampire Lords are easier to do since we get our full vampirism from a pure blooded vampire Lamae. They are going ahead and adding them in and since a second generation vampire lord would be as powerful as a werewolf. Or even a bit more powerful then one and I think that might be the only reason why we are getting Vampire Lords at all.

But don't expect them to ever give us a Thu'um skill line. I hope they never ever do it and if they do them they better be OP as can be. As they rightfully should be very op. If you want to Shout play TES 5 Skyrim but for an mmo such as this its a bad idea. But I do understand the desire to see them. But thinking about it it wouldn't be a good idea maybe one day they could do something with the Thu'um but I don't think they should do it. I'd rather have spell crafting to be honest with you.

> and since a second generation vampire lord would be as powerful as a werewolf

I'm sorry what?

In the lore a Vampire Lord would be worth an entire pack of Werewolves or do you think something like a Lich which a Vampire Lord can be compared to is only as powerful as a Werewolf when in truth a lone Werewolf would stand almost no chance against one.

You clearly do not understand how powerful a Vampire Lord is supposed to be, Harkon had slain hundreds of people and was powerful enough to create a shield that could resist anything short of a divine weapon, when last did a Werewolf possess that sort of power? oh that is right, they didn't, even Vykosa the Werewolf Lord is probably no more powerful then a Vampire Lord is in their Human form.

SassiestAssassin · February 2020

My brain says ‘No’
but my heart says ‘give me the Cheese for Everyone shout from that one Skyrim mod and it’ll be gouda.’

ghastley · February 2020

They should implement it the same way mount training works. One lesson maximum per day, and 4000 days required before you can shout. (Special rates for IRL Greybeards?)

redgreensunset · February 2020

To summarize my thoughts:

Such a skill line would either be game breakingly strong and pure pay2win, or meaningless (especially if it's the least bit lore friendly).
They need to come up with a way our characters could learn it in a way that doesn't tale years and years and not make us dragonborn.
They'd need to come up with a reason for why the Greybeards, which are the only contemporaries who can teach this skill, would a) teach us, b) especially if we're not a Nord as outside of a dragonborn, this is basically a Nord only skill.

As the main baddies of this year appears to be vampires, not dragons, why would we even need it? Introducing the early Dawnguard and a skill line based on that would make infinitely more sense. Which btw they're nit doing, we're getting that Antiquities system instead so everyone can cool down and untie their knickers.

Chicharron · February 2020

after reading all the comments I am sure of one thing.

nobody shout louder in this forum than super nerd lore junkies when they don't like something.