Shout in Elder Scrolls Online.

mikyfuentes

Hello everyone, today I would like to talk about a topic that for many is a taboo but for many others it is a dream, the shouts in Elder Scrolls Online. I read many comments that said "No! You're not a dragonborn! This is ESO not Skyrim!" Now I would like to present my thoughts to you: Given and considered that the role of the dragonborn is not to scream, but to definitively kill a dragon by absorbing its soul, yes, learn shouts faster but surely you could insert a way to learn the words, considering that in skyrim used shouts the graybeards, ulfric and if you remember well the draugr in the mounds also used shouts, as well as the heroes north of sovardarde used clear skies in the clash against alduin, without forgetting that dragonrend is learned by watching the ancient north scream through the vision of the elder scroll, and none of them are dragonborn, so learning shouts in Elder Scrolls Online I think it's absolutely lore friendly. Simply for me it would be right to put them in the game.

RefLiberty

But what would you do with the shout, considering the type of the game it is, and balance vise, you can implement it just as a new skill or ultimate, we already have more cool looking ultimates.
Also, I don't see it as lore firendly, only few mortals were able to learn it through yeras even decades of learning and meditation like graybeard monks, and honestly our characters are not monks living in seculded monastery for years meditating and learning dragon language, we go around and kill stuff.

mikyfuentes

I repeat that it is an ancient art that also used the draugr in the mounds, then not everyone if you do not like the idea of ​​using them are forced to use them, for the fact of skill line I agree, it could be a nice idea, for example dragonrend could bring the dragons to the ground in flight would be comfortable, like many other screams, surely I would put more difficulty in learning words.

MasterSpatula

For non-dragonborn, it takes years to learn just one.

Let's let the things that made our protagonists special in earlier games in the earlier games. My ESO characters are not the Nerevarine; they don't survive corprus and become immune to disease. Similarly, they're not Dragonborn. Let the Dragonborm remain special.

RefLiberty

If you don't want to use it, you don't have to is not viable in mmo since if it is powerful everyone would need to use it to reach current meta and class dps/buff/debuff expectation.

mikyfuentes

The dragonborn yes! it remains special, but I did not intend to be dragonborn, I do not absorb souls from dragons, it would be easier to insert more difficulties in learning words for shouts.

RefLiberty

mikyfuentes wrote: »

The dragonborn yes! it remains special, but I did not intend to be dragonborn, I do not absorb souls from dragons, it would be easier to insert more difficulties in learning words for shouts.

Again, if they are powerful enough everyone would grind them to reach meta and not to mention numerous of buff - nerf threads. It is just too much hassle.

Katahdin

Our characters are not dragon born so it does not fit in this game

redgreensunset

Except, to repeat, it takes YEARS for a non-dragon born to learn even one word. So yeah, it could be done I guess, by having a whole skill line that's about learning just one word. Or maybe if we're going to keep it partially "realistic", according to in universe rules, it should be a triple skill line where you need to take all the perks to get the shout.
If something like that, sure, fine, whatever.

xxthir13enxx

I’d rather have this sword....

mikyfuentes

I expressed my thoughts, I like that there are different visions of the thing, well studied and well inserted for me as a line of skills and learning quite difficult, it would be the perfect game.

redgreensunset

As for your comment on draugr using it, it's only what draugr lords who can do it and all they have are the 'fus ro' sometimes with 'dah'. Essentially they know one shout and they were if they learned it while alive, presumably among the elite. Same with Ulfric, he learned exactly one shout in years and years of traning.

RefLiberty

redgreensunset wrote: »

As for your comment on draugr using it, it's only what draugr lords who can do it and all they have are the 'fus ro' sometimes with 'dah'. Essentially they know one shout and they were if they learned it while alive, presumably among the elite. Same with Ulfric, he learned exactly one shout in years and years of traning.

Exactly, per lore, those who shout were elites serving directly under dragon priests and manage to learn like one shout for all their career
I just can't see my char shouting at crabs. nor I consider my char to be that devoted, it has nice ass prancing around and it is stupid as plank.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

NO, let the Last Dragonborn have at least 1 power the Vestige doesnt.

mikyfuentes

With the right difficulty, and with the necessary to learn them, I remain of the opinion that they could be inserted as a skill to be learned when the throat of the world is unlocked and highr hrotgar, such as fighter guild or mages guild. I repeat, with the right difficulties.

Chicharron

Why talk about shout is a taboo?

Katahdin

I am of the opinion that the OP just wants to play Skyrim Online

mikyfuentes

Because many do not want to shout in the game, but I would like them a lot.

Katahdin

mikyfuentes wrote: »

Because many do not want to shout in the game, but I would like them a lot.

Just because you would like them does not mean they belong in this game and should be added.

StormeReigns

RefLiberty wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

As for your comment on draugr using it, it's only what draugr lords who can do it and all they have are the 'fus ro' sometimes with 'dah'. Essentially they know one shout and they were if they learned it while alive, presumably among the elite. Same with Ulfric, he learned exactly one shout in years and years of traning.

Exactly, per lore, those who shout were elites serving directly under dragon priests and manage to learn like one shout for all their career
I just can't see my char shouting at crabs. nor I consider my char to be that devouted, it has nice ass prancing around and it is stupid as plank.

Well, given some of the quest reponses....
Like my EP argonian, asking about hist trees in shadowfen... I can totally see the vestiges shouting at crabs.
Our characters rightfully are powerful, but as well our characters are pretty dense at the same time. We cant even banter with Tharn correctly.

As well I agree, we as players, let alone any npc outside of the dragons are not really worthy of shouts. We have our own niche, the other games have their own.

mikyfuentes

I speak as a player who returned to ESO with the greymoore release, as well as with the dragons ... I'm sorry for the fans of morrowind and oblivion but the best selling game was skyrim and many like me have returned to play ESO oer these reasons, and there will be a reason ... then I only expressed my opinion.

Katahdin

mikyfuentes wrote: »

I speak as a player who returned to ESO with the greymoore release, as well as with the dragons ... I'm sorry for the fans of morrowind and oblivion but the best selling game was skyrim and many like me have returned to play ESO oer these reasons, and there will be a reason ... then I only expressed my opinion.

That's great, welcome back.

You need to realize this game is Elder Scrolls Online, not Skyrim Online.

The popularity of any of the preceding games does not dictate what should or should not be in this game.

Your reasons for returning still does not mean shouts (that can only be learned properly by dragonborn, of which there is one NPC in the game that qualifies and our characters are not) should be in this game.

AMeanOne

mikyfuentes wrote: »

I speak as a player who returned to ESO with the greymoore release, as well as with the dragons ... I'm sorry for the fans of morrowind and oblivion but the best selling game was skyrim and many like me have returned to play ESO oer these reasons, and there will be a reason ... then I only expressed my opinion.

Play skyrim?

mikyfuentes

I expressed an opinion and I was pleased to share it with you, and I am pleased to hear more opinions about the topic.

RefLiberty

mikyfuentes wrote: »

I speak as a player who returned to ESO with the greymoore release, as well as with the dragons ... I'm sorry for the fans of morrowind and oblivion but the best selling game was skyrim and many like me have returned to play ESO oer these reasons, and there will be a reason ... then I only expressed my opinion.

No one is bashing you for your idea, it is a forum, people wrote their opinions about the subject. All good.

mikyfuentes

Good, I like to exchange ideas.

Browiseth

but muh lore!!!!

bashing lore nerds aside, i've actually always been against fanservice for the sake of pandering like this in eso. hasn't stopped zos from indulging themselves, mind you...

devaneiosonho

Well, unless you're dragonborn, it's quite a pain to learn shouts. I mean, we're talking about years and years in seclusion just to learn a single shout. Considering how our characters are always active, I don't see this happening.

ZoS could always create an excuse, though, so everyone should keep this in mind. If they decide to introduce shouts in the game, they'll do it with or without your consent. Lorebreaking or not.

Carespanker

Psijic order 2.0 now with gating so it literally takes years to master.... To be honest so long as they make it so a casual player will never achieve thum mastery ide be okay with shouts being added to the game.

Noxavian

mikyfuentes wrote: »

Hello everyone, today I would like to talk about a topic that for many is a taboo but for many others it is a dream, the shouts in Elder Scrolls Online. I read many comments that said "No! You're not a dragonborn! This is ESO not Skyrim!" Now I would like to present my thoughts to you: Given and considered that the role of the dragonborn is not to scream, but to definitively kill a dragon by absorbing its soul, yes, learn shouts faster but surely you could insert a way to learn the words, considering that in skyrim used shouts the graybeards, ulfric and if you remember well the draugr in the mounds also used shouts, as well as the heroes north of sovardarde used clear skies in the clash against alduin, without forgetting that dragonrend is learned by watching the ancient north scream through the vision of the elder scroll, and none of them are dragonborn, so learning shouts in Elder Scrolls Online I think it's absolutely lore friendly. Simply for me it would be right to put them in the game.

Shouts would be dumb in ESO, I'm sorry.

We are not dragonborn and we do not have the option to spend years upon years learning the voice

OWLTHEMAD

I think shouts would be good if we got them though, they have the potential to bring a lot of utility to combat and really change it up. id like to see it be more utility. Like unrelenting force as an ultimate, less about damage more about a powerful aoe frontal aoe knock back. With variable cast times based on how long you hold the button to get differing power levels. Instead of morphs we could get new words, which would account for actually haveing to train to learn them.

Tempest sprint as a mobility skill

Aura whisper as an evolution of magelight
(As a nightblade main this would *** me off tbh, but i still think it has a place in the game)

Battle/elemental fury to increase light attack speed/power for a group

Bend will could be fun in pve or imperial city turning adds into allies.

Marked for death as maybe a weapon agnostic response to onslaught, or class agnostic source of major vulnerability.

Honestly depending on how far they wanted to go with it it could be a whole skill line of ultimates that cost more points and cast time depending on how many words you want to use.

Just from a combat mechanics perspective, i would really love to see it. And if they dont add it in the year of skyrim coming off the year of the dragon i cant imagine they ever will get a better oppurtunity.