Just remove PTS, its useless

Mayrael · February 2020

In general feedback works only when devs have no interest in certain area like they do some random changes because people are not happy with skill, so usually it gets only worse. But when they want to push their ideas they will do whatever they want, like with cast times on ults.

NeillMcAttack · February 2020

You can’t claim they have no vision for how they want the game to play and at the same time claim they need to pander to everyone that shows dis-satisfaction with some changes.

fiender66 · February 2020

I use PTS to test new builds/sets, usually first at max level (to see where it will end to), then (with the basic set given, OFC) at 25lvl with and w/o the 475CP I have on live.
For me this is very useful

kalimar44 · February 2020

The bottom line is today's devs just don't have a clue on how to make a decent MMO.

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

All i am really getting from OP is the lack of changes that they wanted and the things that effect them regardless of other class's or play styles, watching a youtuber rant or a twitch stream complaining and reading miss informed threads in the forums is no basis for a constructive argument or complaint, try testing for yourself make your own mind up. dont wait to be told how to play by a handful of ppl who are in it for the fame

mb10 · February 2020

Just look at magicka nightblade

They didn’t listen to anyone and introduced their stupid and ridiculous nerds whilst also neglecting the fact they have NO group play potential in pvp and never mention them in the patch notes now.

Destroyed the class and left it out to dry. I hope whoever makes the magicka NB decisions is ashamed and knows how bad they are at their job!!

We want you out but guess what? The forum mods will try to silence us too

Gilvoth · February 2020

just because a very small group on this forums does not get what they want they make threads like this one.
while the Entire Rest of the Community loves the changes.
its allways the same hatefull comments and same threads from just a few on this forum.
so threads like these are made to insult the developers and the rest of the eso community.
we love the changes and so do the developers.
the PTS is also good and we give feedback.
i hope it stays this way and those that hate us and the developers stop making these type of threads.
PTS is fine and the changes are awesome.

idk · February 2020

Artorias24 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Some major changes have occurred between x.0 and x.5 That is why we participate on the PTS.

How many hours has OP spent on the PST this cycle?

What are those major changes? Nothing got changed to Stone Fist. A lot of players told them it feels clunky with the cast time. You cant even cast the initial "charge" while blocking cause of cast time.

Off balance still stays the same. Only the skills got adjusted to fit the new off balance change. How often got off balance changed now? 10 Times? I think its time for a final solution.....

You clearly misunderstand. Just because Zos did not change a specific skill to your liking does not even come close to proving my statement is wrong.

You specifically state that every feedback we give gets ignored yet there are many PTS cycles where Zos has made changes based on our feedback. All it takes is one change to disprove that entire statement.

Last year Zos made a huge change from their original plan for shields. They added an activation time. After listening to our feedback they removed that and went a different direction that made more sense. That was a significant change and proves the first sentence in the OP completely wrong.

Further, we find bugs or other unintended ways things behave on the PTS, report it, and often Zos makes changes. Even when players provide worthy feedback about a skill is performing Zos might not be able to get to it in that cycle. Even then, most feedback is very much focused on specific uses and does not take into account the entire game.

Destyran · February 2020

OtarTheMad wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

JanTanhide wrote: »

Agree. The only time ZOS "listened" is when literally hundreds if not thousands of us bombarded the Forum about the same thing. In this case we rained heck on the forum about cast times on Shields. Utterly ridiculous putting cast times on something you need immediately.

It took a lot...and I do mean a LOT to get them to not implement cast times on Shields. So instead ZOS punished us (because we were correct) by reducing shield strength to utter uselessness.

I agree with OP about the buff/nerf/destroy skill circle that ZOS continues to go through. I know so many players have left to never return due to the constant "balancing" of the game.

I'm guessing when ZOS can't get new people to buy this game and all us old timers have left due to all the "balancing" a light bulb will pop in their heads.

I don't think it has to do with feedback on forums. Honestly i think they only change things when the youtubers go crazy because that will really damage them.

They've said that they take feedback from a ton of sources: forums, reddit, twitter, youtube, dms, class reps, twitch etc.

He is right they never listen to people’s feed back I remember a streamer being adamant that something’s broken I remember jabs being broken so they alerted them I remember so much and they never listen they rush the patch live and fix much much later

Gilvoth · February 2020

Salix_alba wrote: »

I'm getting real tired of people assuming they are speaking for everybody when they really mean themselves
we this we, that no its you "they" get 1000's of feedbacks daily they cant cover them all so it seems like you got ignored
no they got @#$% to do as is

this ^
All Truth.
if Any one disagrees with what these guys want they bully them on the forums and make threads like this one.
i love the PTS.
i love the changes
i love that we have a place we can give feedback

bullying on this forum needs to be deleted.

OrderoftheDarkness · February 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

All i am really getting from OP is the lack of changes that they wanted and the things that effect them regardless of other class's or play styles, watching a youtuber rant or a twitch stream complaining and reading miss informed threads in the forums is no basis for a constructive argument or complaint, try testing for yourself make your own mind up. dont wait to be told how to play by a handful of ppl who are in it for the fame

this^
This is generally a philosophical question that allows creators of these so-called content types to gather followers and put themselves on the same level as mini-god.

We don't even know what the future holds for us after such depravity and mockery of all types of religions and atheism. I'm not just talking about youtuber and twitch stream. I'm talking about all possible types and even instagram.

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

to further add to this, 90% of this game is played in PvE and that community has had to suffer alot over the last couple of years due to some players and content makers (not all) complaining their "gank build" will suffer, or that they are getting killed when they have followed X,Y or Z's youtube build and it doesnt perform like it should, they complain dungeons are to hard because they just have to have the new "BIS" gear and are not used to playing mechanics, or complain about "scrubs" in the dungeons being rude because they dont want to carry a PvP spec player through. constant calls for nerfs against anything that they cant kill in 1 shot because the youtube video says they should be able to.

its getting boring. you can not expect everything handed to you on a plate ready to go, actually put some effort into the game and your builds and you may find its actually working quite well

OrderoftheDarkness · February 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

to further add to this, 90% of this game is played in PvE and that community has had to suffer alot over the last couple of years due to some players and content makers (not all) complaining their "gank build" will suffer, or that they are getting killed when they have followed X,Y or Z's youtube build and it doesnt perform like it should, they complain dungeons are to hard because they just have to have the new "BIS" gear and are not used to playing mechanics, or complain about "scrubs" in the dungeons being rude because they dont want to carry a PvP spec player through. constant calls for nerfs against anything that they cant kill in 1 shot because the youtube video says they should be able to.

its getting boring. you can not expect everything handed to you on a plate ready to go, actually put some effort into the game and your builds and you may find its actually working quite well

yea, on the one hand, this may help, but on the other hand, it's just chatter. These are not professional actors or creators of new universes.

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

to further add to this, 90% of this game is played in PvE and that community has had to suffer alot over the last couple of years due to some players and content makers (not all) complaining their "gank build" will suffer, or that they are getting killed when they have followed X,Y or Z's youtube build and it doesnt perform like it should, they complain dungeons are to hard because they just have to have the new "BIS" gear and are not used to playing mechanics, or complain about "scrubs" in the dungeons being rude because they dont want to carry a PvP spec player through. constant calls for nerfs against anything that they cant kill in 1 shot because the youtube video says they should be able to.

its getting boring. you can not expect everything handed to you on a plate ready to go, actually put some effort into the game and your builds and you may find its actually working quite well

yea, on the one hand, this may help, but on the other hand, it's just chatter. These are not professional actors or creators of new universes.

no just annoying

OrderoftheDarkness · February 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

to further add to this, 90% of this game is played in PvE and that community has had to suffer alot over the last couple of years due to some players and content makers (not all) complaining their "gank build" will suffer, or that they are getting killed when they have followed X,Y or Z's youtube build and it doesnt perform like it should, they complain dungeons are to hard because they just have to have the new "BIS" gear and are not used to playing mechanics, or complain about "scrubs" in the dungeons being rude because they dont want to carry a PvP spec player through. constant calls for nerfs against anything that they cant kill in 1 shot because the youtube video says they should be able to.

its getting boring. you can not expect everything handed to you on a plate ready to go, actually put some effort into the game and your builds and you may find its actually working quite well

yea, on the one hand, this may help, but on the other hand, it's just chatter. These are not professional actors or creators of new universes.

no just annoying

do not pay attention

but I agree with you to build on this argument is definitely not necessary, it's like trying to interest a person in a new sect.

TheFM · February 2020

JanTanhide wrote: »

Agree. The only time ZOS "listened" is when literally hundreds if not thousands of us bombarded the Forum about the same thing. In this case we rained heck on the forum about cast times on Shields. Utterly ridiculous putting cast times on something you need immediately.

It took a lot...and I do mean a LOT to get them to not implement cast times on Shields. So instead ZOS punished us (because we were correct) by reducing shield strength to utter uselessness.

I agree with OP about the buff/nerf/destroy skill circle that ZOS continues to go through. I know so many players have left to never return due to the constant "balancing" of the game.

I'm guessing when ZOS can't get new people to buy this game and all us old timers have left due to all the "balancing" a light bulb will pop in their heads.

This. The second hundreds of us players complained something got done .

EU players complain about the horrid lag and we get told it'd our systems, we get mocked and insulted. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense from any standpoint. Business wise it makes more sense to spend time on the EU server because we have a larger playerbase, meaning more possible profit. The Na centric attitude of zos' is quite telling lately.

Kesstryl · February 2020

mb10 wrote: »

Just look at magicka nightblade

They didn’t listen to anyone and introduced their stupid and ridiculous nerds whilst also neglecting the fact they have NO group play potential in pvp and never mention them in the patch notes now.

Destroyed the class and left it out to dry. I hope whoever makes the magicka NB decisions is ashamed and knows how bad they are at their job!!

We want you out but guess what? The forum mods will try to silence us too

It's 5:30 a.m. for me and I nearly inhaled my coffee as I imagined nerds running around destroying everything in Nirn. Spellcheck ultimate strikes again

pklemming · February 2020

It would be interesting to know how many of the 'Ra Ra' crowd are based on the NA server. Unless you have suffered through attempting vet trials or vet dungeons with intermittent 1k+ pings causing lag spikes of death, you can't really comment that all is good. We are not complaining for the fun of it, nor do we consider it a 'giggle' to post on forums when we would much rather be playing the game. Lost a VLoM last night for the pure reason we would get one or 2 seconds of nothing, then everything happening at once. Several guild members just logged off as anything beyond the very basic stuff was unplayable.

Regarding the PTS. As a 'Test' server, it is there to test and feedback changes. If we take the time to 'test' and 'feedback', what we do not expect to happen is to be ignored. Other firms have a greater interaction with their, much larger, test playerbase, you actually feel like you are helping, somewhat, to make the game a little better. I have never felt that here. PTS, is mostly a ghost town, even when stress tests are announced.

I still like PTS, for parsing, looking at new content and making builds, but it mayaswell be renamed to Private Test Server.

Also, for those saying people are talking on behalf of the masses, I think most ackknowledge we are not, but when you have a significant subset of the regular forum posters posting about a specific change, you may want to imagine how that will scale up to the overall population of those who do not post of forums, or those that do no know about, or do not use the forums and just cancel after repeated frustrations with performance and nerfs to the game they are just trying to enjoy.

Juhasow · February 2020

Why do You think that PTS exist to test what we want or don't want ? That could be determined without PTS.

Juhasow · February 2020

mav1234 wrote: »

spreadsheets know best?

i do think developers do often know their game better than players, but I have been frustrated by the communication this pts cycle... which, coincidentally, is the only one I have paid much attention to

From the technical point of view yes they know game better. But from the gameplay point of view they usually don't. And we can't even blame them for that. Players are spending way more time playing the game then developers. So we have small team of developers spending some amount of time per week actively playing and experiencing combat vs thousands of players collectively spending way more time and exploring every detail of combat way better then developers can. That issue present in every online title is amplified by the fact ZoS sucks at communication with community and collecting feedback. At the end they have lesser knowledge about gameplay aspects of the combat and what people want from it plus they fail to collect data that would help then to understand it better so they do things their way which very often is wrong way.

Juhasow · February 2020

idk wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Some major changes have occurred between x.0 and x.5 That is why we participate on the PTS.

How many hours has OP spent on the PST this cycle?

What are those major changes? Nothing got changed to Stone Fist. A lot of players told them it feels clunky with the cast time. You cant even cast the initial "charge" while blocking cause of cast time.

Off balance still stays the same. Only the skills got adjusted to fit the new off balance change. How often got off balance changed now? 10 Times? I think its time for a final solution.....

You clearly misunderstand. Just because Zos did not change a specific skill to your liking does not even come close to proving my statement is wrong.

You specifically state that every feedback we give gets ignored yet there are many PTS cycles where Zos has made changes based on our feedback. All it takes is one change to disprove that entire statement.

Last year Zos made a huge change from their original plan for shields. They added an activation time. After listening to our feedback they removed that and went a different direction that made more sense. That was a significant change and proves the first sentence in the OP completely wrong.

Further, we find bugs or other unintended ways things behave on the PTS, report it, and often Zos makes changes. Even when players provide worthy feedback about a skill is performing Zos might not be able to get to it in that cycle. Even then, most feedback is very much focused on specific uses and does not take into account the entire game.

Actually things like shields changes or silence on incap changes proves that ZoS can be really average at knowing their game and communicating with playerbase. We need massive threads and literally nuclear explosion of negative feedback to force them to rethink changes that are completly stupid from players point of view. If negative feedback wont be high enough they'll consider certain change to be fine and will continue with releasing it to the live server like they did with DoT meta in Scalebreaker.

Brandathorbel · February 2020

Gilvoth wrote: »

just because a very small group on this forums does not get what they want they make threads like this one.
while the Entire Rest of the Community loves the changes.
its allways the same hatefull comments and same threads from just a few on this forum.
so threads like these are made to insult the developers and the rest of the eso community.
we love the changes and so do the developers.
the PTS is also good and we give feedback.
i hope it stays this way and those that hate us and the developers stop making these type of threads.
PTS is fine and the changes are awesome.

actually, a lot tend to hate the changes. Many, not all, are seen as bad choices by most of the people in all my guilds. You see it on reddit too, and youtube channels.

the biggest issue is them ignoring obvious bugs that are reported like what is going on with necro. These need to be addressed. That is the whole point of the pts.

Reverb · February 2020

PTS isn’t useless. It’s where the top endgame guilds go to practice content so they can make “world first” flex posts within an hour of the content going Live. Admit it, we're all entertained by the pages and pages of “who cares?”, “I care” posts that follow.

ZOS_GregoryV · February 2020

Greetings all,

After reviewing this thread, we have decided it best to shut it down as it has been deemed non-constructive. That the thread as a whole is only to get the forum community upset and bring in the Bashing. When creating threads/posts, they should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any question in regards to the rules, please feel free to take a few moments to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-