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Gamepad UI: Update 5.3 disables scaling, making it very obtrusive on PC

  • Nemesis7884
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    i really hope this topic gets some thought and attention - it might only affect a small player base (now) but for us - playing the game will become impossible
  • MashmalloMan
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    Make sure to keep the version of this thread alive and active on pts to let ZOS know this is not right. This is not acceptable, I'll take a long break from the game if this goes through.
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  • Starlock
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    This isn't going to cause things to get weird on systems that HAVE to use gamepad mode (aka, consoles) is it?

    *bites shirt nervously*
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    Starlock wrote: »
    This isn't going to cause things to get weird on systems that HAVE to use gamepad mode (aka, consoles) is it?

    *bites shirt nervously*

    No. This applies to people that use the UI scaling. If you do, you're probably using it because you're sitting in front of a monitor.

    For me, playing at 1440p, monitor, with UI scaling set to about 1/3, pts looks like trash. The first thing I noticed is how poorly textured the UI looks when it's that large. It makes everything feel blurry instead of crisp. The other issue is menu's just take up the entire screen space. It's ugly to look at and completely pulls me back to 2005 MMOs, even though I'm playing at 1440p.

    Just no. This can't happen.
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  • 16BitForestCat
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    I have to play with gamepad due to chronic pain from injury, and I'm gonna be watching this change nervously. Withholding judgment till I actually see how it works for myself, but...If I can't play with gamepad, I'm probably going to have to quit ESO entirely, just like I've had to quit numerous games over the years that became too painful to play for more than ten minutes on keyboard/mouse. And ESO has been my daily entertainment since launch. Spent waaaay too much time and money on this game over the years. I don't want to be driven out by an unusable UI. "Use Steam version instead" isn't even a viable workaround since Steam causes its own issues with the game.

    My main concern with this change is that gamepad UI has always been an afterthought for the devs, despite it being really obvious that this game was otherwise optimized from the beginning for its eventual console releases. HOW many years have we had gamepad support on PC after years of pleading for it, and yet you still can't do very basic things like navigate character select with gamepad, or even quit the game from gamepad UI? If the upcoming change on live is completely unworkable for players, I'm concerned it's never going to be fixed due to gamepad support being virtually nonexistent on the dev priority list. And while gamepad players may be a minority on PC, that number grows all the time as people with accessibility issues join the game, or people change and acquire accessibility issues or injuries that demand playstyles which are less stressful on the body.

    I agree with the posts around the forums saying that, at the very least, we need a large number of preset options that account for both downscaling and upscaling, if we're not going to have custom scaling.
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  • Nemesis7884
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    Starlock wrote: »
    This isn't going to cause things to get weird on systems that HAVE to use gamepad mode (aka, consoles) is it?

    *bites shirt nervously*

    No. This applies to people that use the UI scaling. If you do, you're probably using it because you're sitting in front of a monitor.

    For me, playing at 1440p, monitor, with UI scaling set to about 1/3, pts looks like trash. The first thing I noticed is how poorly textured the UI looks when it's that large. It makes everything feel blurry instead of crisp. The other issue is menu's just take up the entire screen space. It's ugly to look at and completely pulls me back to 2005 MMOs, even though I'm playing at 1440p.

    Just no. This can't happen.

    yep and if you are in front of a 60inch 4k monitor you need 200% eyesight to be able to read anything...
  • rpa
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    "Use Steam version instead" isn't even a viable workaround since Steam causes its own issues with the game.

    I haven't used Steam for quite a long time and do not gamepad at all but I think you can use ESO as non-Steam game with Steam gamepad interface.

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    rpa wrote: »
    "Use Steam version instead" isn't even a viable workaround since Steam causes its own issues with the game.

    I haven't used Steam for quite a long time and do not gamepad at all but I think you can use ESO as non-Steam game with Steam gamepad interface.

    Running ESO through Steam as a non-Steam game causes the game to drag for me. It also wouldn’t solve the issue of the gamepad UI not scaling, as far as I’m aware, and trying to use Steam’s controller input with the native PC UI can be quite the challenge. While it does work for some people, I don’t think having to run ESO through a third party program, especially Steam, is an acceptable solution to this problem.
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    The final patch for the Harrowstorm DLC (5.3.3) has just hit PTS, and there haven't been any changes on this topic.

    So, this will go live.

    Just letting everyone know.
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  • snoozy
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    wow this patch zos are really keen on showing they don't care about their players at all.
    first iceheart and now this is gonna go live.
    thanks for nothing zos. :unamused:

    goodbye eso i guess?
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  • virtus753
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    snoozy wrote: »
    wow this patch zos are really keen on showing they don't care about their players at all.
    first iceheart and now this is gonna go live.
    thanks for nothing zos. :unamused:

    goodbye eso i guess?

    And not to excuse in any way the issues with Iceheart and how and why that got changed, but this actually directly impacts real-world health/accessibility issues. That's more than just a lack of care.
  • Lady_Linux
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    seems rather rude of them to do that... how can we pressure them to get their attention?
    I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.

    BTW, I use arch too
  • Brandathorbel
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    seems rather rude of them to do that... how can we pressure them to get their attention?

    Only way is to shame them on social media and hope it hits gaming sites. If it does they will look really bad. It will hit me too because of a disability and if they ignore us they will get destroyed in the public's eye.
  • Nemesis7884
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    well i guess for a lot of people this will be their last eso update...

    i just wonder what those "issues" were that they wanted to fix...i never noticed any
  • ApostateHobo
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    So how this this look?

    My gf uses controller when playing on pc with hdmi going to a 4k TV.

    She likes the big fonts. It looks like eso on xbox.

    So is there a comparison shot old vs new?

    There's not really a comparison for the one on live, because you can scale it to whatever you want, between these extremes:

    sACtIyz.jpg
    bj2Nbur.jpg

    The new one on the PTS is fixed at this size:

    AZYn0hi.jpg

    Sooo it just looks the way it does on console then? I'm confused as to what people are so up in arms about XD
  • relentless_turnip
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    virtus753 wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

    If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

    what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

    Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

    without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me
    Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
    Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

    i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

    Not necessarily true. You can play with a controller and ESO’s native PC interface by running the game through Steam (as a non-Steam game, if need be) and using Steam’s controller input mapping.

    While that might be an option for some people, it’s obviously not a universal solution, and we shouldn’t have to resort to Steam to fix an ESO issue anyhow.

    OK OK let's pretend I'm an idiot and i need this explaining to me step by step :lol:
    Seriously how do you set this up? this would be ideal for me.

    I run ESO through steam and find when I switch gamepad on in the ESO menu it reverts to controller UI by default.

    I currently use "Advanced disable controller" add on to remove the gamepad UI completely.
    This add on hasn't been updated since elsweyr though and its getting pretty buggy.
    I use mouse and keyboard in town and controller for all combat.
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    10-inch design is the future. Why would someone remove something he already has ?

    I play Gamepad on HD in default scaling and it is ok. But i feel for the 4k users. The map on live is to small on HD without addon.
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    virtus753 wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

    If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

    what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

    Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

    without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me
    Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
    Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

    i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

    Not necessarily true. You can play with a controller and ESO’s native PC interface by running the game through Steam (as a non-Steam game, if need be) and using Steam’s controller input mapping.

    While that might be an option for some people, it’s obviously not a universal solution, and we shouldn’t have to resort to Steam to fix an ESO issue anyhow.

    OK OK let's pretend I'm an idiot and i need this explaining to me step by step :lol:
    Seriously how do you set this up? this would be ideal for me.

    I run ESO through steam and find when I switch gamepad on in the ESO menu it reverts to controller UI by default.

    I currently use "Advanced disable controller" add on to remove the gamepad UI completely.
    This add on hasn't been updated since elsweyr though and its getting pretty buggy.
    I use mouse and keyboard in town and controller for all combat.

    It’s been a while since I had it set up, but basically you do not want to turn on gamepad mode anywhere in ESO settings. Steam will take care of enabling the controller input, and ESO will be none the wiser — it will think you’re still using a mouse. That’s why this would be a workaround for gamepad UI entirely.

    Steam controller settings are accessed through Big Picture Mode, iirc. (There should be a rectangular icon with two diagonal arrows in it next to the minimize/maximize/close window icons.) From there, go to Settings (the cog in the top right) and use the Controller Settings to set up whichever controller you use. You should be able to select from among publicly shared preset configurations for ESO and tweak one to your liking or create your own. It gets very detailed in terms of being able to bind actions to short presses, long presses, half-pulls on the triggers, the center area on a DS4 if that’s what you’re using, etc. It’s much more customizable than the rebinding options for ESO gamepad UI, but it does require that initial work of getting a configuration set up that works for you. There are a few guides online to help, but I also found that experimentation worked well too.

    I may have missed something in there or gotten something confused, but hopefully others can chime in here too.
  • Faulgor
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    So how this this look?

    My gf uses controller when playing on pc with hdmi going to a 4k TV.

    She likes the big fonts. It looks like eso on xbox.

    So is there a comparison shot old vs new?

    There's not really a comparison for the one on live, because you can scale it to whatever you want, between these extremes:

    sACtIyz.jpg
    bj2Nbur.jpg

    The new one on the PTS is fixed at this size:

    AZYn0hi.jpg

    Sooo it just looks the way it does on console then? I'm confused as to what people are so up in arms about XD
    We don't play on console, though. We play on PC. Most of us don't sit 2 meters away from a TV, but barely 1 meter from a much smaller PC screen. That comes with different requirements for an interface.
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  • Nemesis7884
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    So how this this look?

    My gf uses controller when playing on pc with hdmi going to a 4k TV.

    She likes the big fonts. It looks like eso on xbox.

    So is there a comparison shot old vs new?

    There's not really a comparison for the one on live, because you can scale it to whatever you want, between these extremes:

    sACtIyz.jpg
    bj2Nbur.jpg

    The new one on the PTS is fixed at this size:

    AZYn0hi.jpg

    Sooo it just looks the way it does on console then? I'm confused as to what people are so up in arms about XD

    well for example if you play on pc and a tv on 4k and cant scale things everything becomes so tiny that you can barely see it
  • relentless_turnip
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    virtus753 wrote: »
    virtus753 wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

    If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

    what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

    Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

    without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me
    Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
    Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

    i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

    Not necessarily true. You can play with a controller and ESO’s native PC interface by running the game through Steam (as a non-Steam game, if need be) and using Steam’s controller input mapping.

    While that might be an option for some people, it’s obviously not a universal solution, and we shouldn’t have to resort to Steam to fix an ESO issue anyhow.

    OK OK let's pretend I'm an idiot and i need this explaining to me step by step :lol:
    Seriously how do you set this up? this would be ideal for me.

    I run ESO through steam and find when I switch gamepad on in the ESO menu it reverts to controller UI by default.

    I currently use "Advanced disable controller" add on to remove the gamepad UI completely.
    This add on hasn't been updated since elsweyr though and its getting pretty buggy.
    I use mouse and keyboard in town and controller for all combat.

    It’s been a while since I had it set up, but basically you do not want to turn on gamepad mode anywhere in ESO settings. Steam will take care of enabling the controller input, and ESO will be none the wiser — it will think you’re still using a mouse. That’s why this would be a workaround for gamepad UI entirely.

    Steam controller settings are accessed through Big Picture Mode, iirc. (There should be a rectangular icon with two diagonal arrows in it next to the minimize/maximize/close window icons.) From there, go to Settings (the cog in the top right) and use the Controller Settings to set up whichever controller you use. You should be able to select from among publicly shared preset configurations for ESO and tweak one to your liking or create your own. It gets very detailed in terms of being able to bind actions to short presses, long presses, half-pulls on the triggers, the center area on a DS4 if that’s what you’re using, etc. It’s much more customizable than the rebinding options for ESO gamepad UI, but it does require that initial work of getting a configuration set up that works for you. There are a few guides online to help, but I also found that experimentation worked well too.

    I may have missed something in there or gotten something confused, but hopefully others can chime in here too.

    Thanks for this mate :smiley: I will try tonight!

    It would be nice to not have to use a buggy addon any more.
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Faulgor wrote: »
    So how this this look?

    My gf uses controller when playing on pc with hdmi going to a 4k TV.

    She likes the big fonts. It looks like eso on xbox.

    So is there a comparison shot old vs new?

    There's not really a comparison for the one on live, because you can scale it to whatever you want, between these extremes:

    sACtIyz.jpg
    bj2Nbur.jpg

    The new one on the PTS is fixed at this size:

    AZYn0hi.jpg

    Sooo it just looks the way it does on console then? I'm confused as to what people are so up in arms about XD
    We don't play on console, though. We play on PC. Most of us don't sit 2 meters away from a TV, but barely 1 meter from a much smaller PC screen. That comes with different requirements for an interface.

    I sit about the same distance from my smallish tv as most people do from their monitor, so I'm still not really seeing what distance has to do with anything.
  • RD065
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    What about the add-on Advanced Disable Controller UI. Been using for a long long time.
    https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1433-AdvancedDisableControllerUI.html
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    RD065 wrote: »
    What about the add-on Advanced Disable Controller UI. Been using for a long long time.
    https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1433-AdvancedDisableControllerUI.html

    It hasn't been updated since elsweyr's release and I still use it, but with the changes in the next patch I am not sure it will work at all...
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    RD065 wrote: »
    What about the add-on Advanced Disable Controller UI. Been using for a long long time.
    https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1433-AdvancedDisableControllerUI.html

    It hasn't been updated since elsweyr's release and I still use it, but with the changes in the next patch I am not sure it will work at all...

    Possibly but you're correct it still works. Hopefully it gets updated. Big UI I don't think I could handle that.
    Edited by RD065 on February 11, 2020 10:32AM
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    xbobx15 wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    seems rather rude of them to do that... how can we pressure them to get their attention?

    Only way is to shame them on social media and hope it hits gaming sites. If it does they will look really bad. It will hit me too because of a disability and if they ignore us they will get destroyed in the public's eye.

    Yeah, i played with keyboard and mouse for years but it ruined my wrists, solution was gamepad which I used to use for console anyway during my halo MLG days, and they don't even port the functioning aspects from console, it's hilarious that I can't even quit the game with my controller. This is absolutely absurd how they are just pushing this through without thinking about the players.
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    This would be an awful mess even in it doesn't yet apply to me. I am still KB+M but that is beginning to get harder with each passing year. The worse part is my vision. I play this game sitting 18" from an ultrawide monitor running @ 3440X1440 with 125% scaling. I then scale each individual app and game to my liking and ability to see. That includes ESO. However when my arthritis forces me onto a gamepad+TV I will no longer be able to play as I would no longer be able to see. This seems to be an extremely shortsighted move (pun intended) by ZOS.
  • Brandathorbel
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    TheFM wrote: »
    xbobx15 wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    seems rather rude of them to do that... how can we pressure them to get their attention?

    Only way is to shame them on social media and hope it hits gaming sites. If it does they will look really bad. It will hit me too because of a disability and if they ignore us they will get destroyed in the public's eye.

    Yeah, i played with keyboard and mouse for years but it ruined my wrists, solution was gamepad which I used to use for console anyway during my halo MLG days, and they don't even port the functioning aspects from console, it's hilarious that I can't even quit the game with my controller. This is absolutely absurd how they are just pushing this through without thinking about the players.

    or how about the chat screen and drop history overlap. It makes them look so amateurish
  • Kalik_Gold
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    disregard - wrong thread

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    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

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    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
    Returning player - 2017-2022, back in 25'
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    I did not notice much different in the size on pts vs live, but my controller definitely functions much better on the pts. Hopefully that carries over next patch.
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