Gamepad UI: Update 5.3 disables scaling, making it very obtrusive on PC

Faulgor

Just a heads up for PC players using a gamepad. Update 5.3 coming with the Harrowstorm DLC will disable scaling for the gamepad UI on PC. This was confirmed by Gina on the PTS forum:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just wanted to confirm this is not a bug, but something we deliberately changed due to it causing a myriad of other UI-related issues. We apologize for missing the patch note for this change, and will make sure it gets included in the PC launch notes

This means the gamepad UI will appear INCREDIBLY LARGE, making it quite obtrusive and difficult to use in a PC environment where you are sitting much closer to the screen.

This will probably get lost among other topics of the new update, but I thought players should know to avoid an unpleasant surprise on release day.

thissocalledflower

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

Lady_Linux

Well if it is clunky and awful on my 4k tv then that may spell the end of my days with eso. my arthritis wont allow me to play with keyboard and mouse and after two years + of eso with a controller, i have no desire to relearn how to play

Nemesis7884

Faulgor wrote: »

Just a heads up for PC players using a gamepad. Update 5.3 coming with the Harrowstorm DLC will disable scaling for the gamepad UI on PC. This was confirmed by Gina on the PTS forum:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just wanted to confirm this is not a bug, but something we deliberately changed due to it causing a myriad of other UI-related issues. We apologize for missing the patch note for this change, and will make sure it gets included in the PC launch notes

This means the gamepad UI will appear INCREDIBLY LARGE, making it quite obtrusive and difficult to use in a PC environment where you are sitting much closer to the screen.

This will probably get lost among other topics of the new update, but I thought players should know to avoid an unpleasant surprise on release day.

HORRIBLE i play on pc with pad...and that wont change...and i play on a 4k tv and NEED scaling otherwise i cant play the game...depending how this plays out i might have to stop playing

Faulgor

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Well if it is clunky and awful on my 4k tv then that may spell the end of my days with eso. my arthritis wont allow me to play with keyboard and mouse and after two years + of eso with a controller, i have no desire to relearn how to play

Same. I don't like using "asymmetric" controls like kb+m because of my scoliosis, there's no way I'm ditching a controller. But if there is no fix for this scaling issue, I don't know what I'll do ...

Nemesis7884

Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Faulgor

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

Nemesis7884

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Faulgor

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

Nemesis7884

Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

Faulgor

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

That's correct. I just wanted to avoid confusion, apparently causing more confusion in the process. Scaling is gone for the controller, but remains for keyboard and mouse.

Ohtimbar

Absolute shite. It's like they're begging me to leave. Fine, I can take a hint.

virtus753

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

Not necessarily true. You can play with a controller and ESO’s native PC interface by running the game through Steam (as a non-Steam game, if need be) and using Steam’s controller input mapping.

While that might be an option for some people, it’s obviously not a universal solution, and we shouldn’t have to resort to Steam to fix an ESO issue anyhow.

snoozy

WTF?!? are you serious zos??!

this is so rude and honestly a slap in the face of all paying customers who use gamepad ui.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just wanted to confirm this is not a bug, but something we deliberately changed due to it causing a myriad of other UI-related issues. We apologize for missing the patch note for this change, and will make sure it gets included in the PC launch notes

basically "we ran into issues and are too lazy to fix them so let's just ignore the players affected by this, we can afford to lose a few paying customers. now let's get back to coming up with more crown crates"

i seriously hope they are gonna fix this. i love this game and i don't wanna have to quit it bc of *** like this

Thevampirenight

Could this be something some addon creator can adjust or fix or make an improvement of? Given there are addons that improve or change the Ui. So I'm assuming something like that can be done here as well? I don't play controller but I assume that Addons can be used to adjust the Ui. We PC players do have access to Addons after all. So Pc might able to fix if it if someone was to do addon magic which isn't me since I don't know how to make addons. Unless they disabled or don't allow changes to ui with controllers then that might be an issue. If it isn't someone will come up with something. Pc addons allow creative changes when it comes to the Ui since they work with the Ui interface unless its more limited then I thought? If not someone will find some way to fix it.

Nemesis7884

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

That's correct. I just wanted to avoid confusion, apparently causing more confusion in the process. Scaling is gone for the controller, but remains for keyboard and mouse.

makes no sense to me as controler needs scaling...and all the new consoles are 4k

Faulgor

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Could this be something some addon creator can adjust or fix or make an improvement of? Given there are addons that improve or change the Ui. So I'm assuming something like that can be done here correct? I don't play controller but I assume that Addons can be used to adjust the Ui? We PC players do have access to Addons after all. So we could in fact fix if if we wanted too. Unless they disabled or don't allow changes to ui with controllers then that might be an issue.

I wondered about that too, but don't know enough about ESO's addons (especially in the new update) to have the answer. If they just hid / decoupled the setting options from the controller UI, it might be trivial, but if they made a change deeper under the hood it could also be hopeless.

Nemesis7884

they should at least have like a optional 4k mode that is like 125% scale

sometimes i really think zos doesnt think 2m ahead with their decisions...see combat team.

illusiouk

Like others have said I hope a addon can be created to bypass this too. If not, my days playing ESO are numbered.

Thevampirenight

Faulgor wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Could this be something some addon creator can adjust or fix or make an improvement of? Given there are addons that improve or change the Ui. So I'm assuming something like that can be done here correct? I don't play controller but I assume that Addons can be used to adjust the Ui? We PC players do have access to Addons after all. So we could in fact fix if if we wanted too. Unless they disabled or don't allow changes to ui with controllers then that might be an issue.

I wondered about that too, but don't know enough about ESO's addons (especially in the new update) to have the answer. If they just hid / decoupled the setting options from the controller UI, it might be trivial, but if they made a change deeper under the hood it could also be hopeless.

A picture of what some addons are able to do from google for the Ui



If its the ui interface when it comes to interacting with npcs and their names that could be a issue not sure if that can be changed but if its like menus and other stuff and chat windows Ui addons will probably fix it. Given names are another form of Ui and the interface is basically Ui I think those can be altered as well. So I think it can be fixed. If they were removing the ability for consoles to adjust it if they had that ability I don't play console version don't even have a ps4 or xbox one. Well then they won't be as lucky. Since they can't have addons from what I understand or has that changed?

snoozy

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Could this be something some addon creator can adjust or fix or make an improvement of? Given there are addons that improve or change the Ui. So I'm assuming something like that can be done here as well?

now that i think of it.. Azurah - Interface Enhanced lets you individually move and scale parts of the UI. but afaik only the "HUD" and not the inventory/skills menus etc... will have to check that out once i get home.

i still have a little hope, addon creators have found workarounds for lots of things. lets just hope zos doesn't actively prevent them from fixing stuff this time.

snoozy

Thevampirenight wrote: »

A picture of what some addons are able to do from google for the Ui



If its the ui interface when it comes to interacting with npcs and their names that could be a issue not sure if that can be changed but if its like menus and other stuff and chat windows Ui addons will probably fix it. Given names are another form of Ui and the interface is basically Ui I think those can be altered as well. So I think it can be fixed.

inventory grid view and craft store are great addons but they don't change the scale of the ui which is our issue here

TempPlayer

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

Wait till you get to 50 with presbyopia.

thissocalledflower

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

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Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

thissocalledflower wrote: »

thats odd i didnt notice it when i was on pts....

If you don't usually scale down your UI on live, you won't notice any difference.

what about upscaling? without upscaling i cant see ANYTHING on a 4k tv

Well upscaling won't work either, obviously. I just didn't conceive a circumstance where that would be necessary.

without upscaling on pc 4k tv you cant see anything and not play the game...so basically that was eso for me

Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have a TV that large lol.
Just to be clear, the normal PC UI can still be scaled just fine, it's only the gamepad / controller UI that can't be scaled anymore.

i dont understand what the difference is...if you play on controller you have controller ui

That's correct. I just wanted to avoid confusion, apparently causing more confusion in the process. Scaling is gone for the controller, but remains for keyboard and mouse.

makes no sense to me as controler needs scaling...and all the new consoles are 4k

And that probably has more to do with it than anything! The consoles dont want pc's using controllers because consoles cant compete with them so they have contractual obligations i bet to not allow pc scaling with controller to give console and edge in the market...

snoozy

thissocalledflower wrote: »

And that probably has more to do with it than anything! The consoles dont want pc's using controllers because consoles cant compete with them so they have contractual obligations i bet to not allow pc scaling with controller to give console and edge in the market...

(X) Doubt

curtisnewton

So how this this look?

My gf uses controller when playing on pc with hdmi going to a 4k TV.

She likes the big fonts. It looks like eso on xbox.

So is there a comparison shot old vs new?

thissocalledflower

@ZOS_GinaBruno No scaling with gamepad discriminates against people with visual disabilities

Faulgor

curtisnewton wrote: »

So how this this look?

My gf uses controller when playing on pc with hdmi going to a 4k TV.

She likes the big fonts. It looks like eso on xbox.

So is there a comparison shot old vs new?

There's not really a comparison for the one on live, because you can scale it to whatever you want, between these extremes:




The new one on the PTS is fixed at this size:

Nemesis7884

thissocalledflower wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno No scaling with gamepad discriminates against people with visual disabilities

people without disabillities cant see *** either and 4k living room experience will e the norm...how can they not see that

snoozy

btw disabling this is also an arrow in their own knee bc no one will be able to use eso on stadia if the ui doesn't scale lmao

Nemesis7884

how can any mmo these days not offer scaling and ui customization...but 100 new microtransactions every week...