The block player system in this game is a joke

The_Old_Goat · February 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

This is probably the only game I have ever seen that when you block someone, even on the forums too, they still see what you write, and so they can just have their friends copy and paste insults and send them to you, and then when your block list is full you are SoL, why can it not be like every other game where if you block someone they cant see what you say, and vice versa?

I am actually surprised this was not mentioned earlier. ESO has no block feature. You cannot block anyone, not in the game or on the forum. ESO has an ignore feature, and that is different from a block. An ignore is a muting function that controls what you see, not what they see.

ESO probably needs a block feature, but my guess is that they want that level of problem handled by customer support and the ToS team.

Someone came here to argue semantics.

xXMeowMeowXx · February 2020

It is just a game....Soooooooo, hang around nice peeps that make you smile and forget about the ones that do not. Good Luck OP !!

Naftal · February 2020

I don't know of any game or chat where ignoring someone removes their ability to see your public messages.

Kahlis · February 2020

Report them. If it continues to happen after that, report them again. Just be aware that the conduct you're complaining about really needs to be against the TOS and not simply a disagreement with another player or the usual annoying behavior by a few.

idk · February 2020

I disagree with OP. Ignoring a player should not prevent them from seeing what you wrote. That would be a carte blank for anyone to trash talk another. They could just put the person on ignore and go to town. For this reason it would be one of the worst idea ever if you could just ignore someone and they cannot see what you post in zone or guild chat.

An ignore list should prevent the person from sending you letters and PMs and the GF should not place you into a group with anyone on your ignore list. Zos seems to have two out of three as I do not think we have confirmation the list prevents the GF from grouping you with those on your list.

ZonasArch · February 2020

Right click [main jerk], ignore

Right click [jerk's friend#1], ignore

Right click [jerk's friend#2], ignore

Right click [jerk's friend#3], ignore

By the end of the day, or maybe two days, they won't even remember you exist because bullies and trolls feed off of feedback. If you block them all, they won't get anything from you and move on. You're free to clear ignore list safely to keep adding more people later. All good.

Personally, I've blocked probably tens (if not hundreds) of people at some point over 4 years in this game, and my ignore list currently has only one person in them. Simple and effective.

Even the two people I despise the most in eso aren't blocked anymore.

Tigerseye · February 2020

idk wrote: »

I disagree with OP. Ignoring a player should not prevent them from seeing what you wrote. That would be a carte blank for anyone to trash talk another. They could just put the person on ignore and go to town. For this reason it would be one of the worst idea ever if you could just ignore someone and they cannot see what you post in zone or guild chat.

An ignore list should prevent the person from sending you letters and PMs and the GF should not place you into a group with anyone on your ignore list. Zos seems to have two out of three as I do not think we have confirmation the list prevents the GF from grouping you with those on your list.

Normally it's the person who gets put on ignore that then trash talks.

By the way, it's carte blanche, not "carte blank" (it's French).

Tigerseye · February 2020

StabbityDoom wrote: »

Gotta love it when someone comes here to complain they are being bullied and asking for a better solution in game (reasonable one, no less) and the reaction they get is "ohh boo hoo" *insert more bullying here*

I didn't really notice that, here, to be honest.

I think people are trying to help the OP, by saying that if they ignore it, both via the game and literally (in real life) and/or learn to not care too much what a bunch of idiots in a game are doing, it will probably stop.

Also, that you are free to clear your ignore list, every now and then, as the people doing it have generally forgotten about you, moved on, grown up and/or left the game, after a few weeks/months.

Can always stick people straight back on ignore, again, if you want, if the same people do it again.

Obviously, if it's something really serious and/or includes real life threats, that is another matter and may be a matter for the police to deal with, as well as ZOS.

idk · February 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I disagree with OP. Ignoring a player should not prevent them from seeing what you wrote. That would be a carte blank for anyone to trash talk another. They could just put the person on ignore and go to town. For this reason it would be one of the worst idea ever if you could just ignore someone and they cannot see what you post in zone or guild chat.

An ignore list should prevent the person from sending you letters and PMs and the GF should not place you into a group with anyone on your ignore list. Zos seems to have two out of three as I do not think we have confirmation the list prevents the GF from grouping you with those on your list.

Normally it's the person who gets put on ignore that then trash talks.

Of course and I am very much aware. But I was speaking to what OP said.

Edit: However, it also often goes both ways. People say stupid stuff, get out smarted and cannot handle it so they put the other person on ignore and cry foul. We get this a lot in PvP where lesser skilled players try to battle you with words after you killed them. The smart thing to do is just not even reply, just let them fume that they are not even worthy enough for you to whisper them back. Their repliers are entertaining as it seems like their head is about to explode.

Elsonso · February 2020

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

This is probably the only game I have ever seen that when you block someone, even on the forums too, they still see what you write, and so they can just have their friends copy and paste insults and send them to you, and then when your block list is full you are SoL, why can it not be like every other game where if you block someone they cant see what you say, and vice versa?

I am actually surprised this was not mentioned earlier. ESO has no block feature. You cannot block anyone, not in the game or on the forum. ESO has an ignore feature, and that is different from a block. An ignore is a muting function that controls what you see, not what they see.

ESO probably needs a block feature, but my guess is that they want that level of problem handled by customer support and the ToS team.

Someone came here to argue semantics.

It isn't semantics. It is how features work. The game does not have the feature that they are complaining about. That is not how Ignore works.

The bigger question is whether anyone can convince ZOS to add a Block feature that effectively separates both parties, rather than just muting one party. As I said above, if I had to guess, I would say that ZOS probably would want to handle that through the Customer Service and ToS team. Why? If something is happening where one party wants to be invisible from another, due to some sort of interaction, then we are probably talking about a ToS violation.

Kelces · February 2020

Real ingnoring, meaning you don't do anything other than maybe crunch some popcorn while reading infantile comments. After some time they will get bored and it definitely, in 100% of cases will go away, because they simply bore themselves of getting no response.

Nice little ingame example: Tower trolls in Cyrodiil. Same situation...

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2020

no offense OP but you coming on forums and make a fuss about it...well u just put a red target on u for the forum trolls and harassers...sooo yeah at this point u just need to learn to let it go...Remember what Olms always said: There is no Justice here.

idk · February 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

This is probably the only game I have ever seen that when you block someone, even on the forums too, they still see what you write, and so they can just have their friends copy and paste insults and send them to you, and then when your block list is full you are SoL, why can it not be like every other game where if you block someone they cant see what you say, and vice versa?

I am actually surprised this was not mentioned earlier. ESO has no block feature. You cannot block anyone, not in the game or on the forum. ESO has an ignore feature, and that is different from a block. An ignore is a muting function that controls what you see, not what they see.

ESO probably needs a block feature, but my guess is that they want that level of problem handled by customer support and the ToS team.

Someone came here to argue semantics.

It isn't semantics. It is how features work. The game does not have the feature that they are complaining about. That is not how Ignore works.

The bigger question is whether anyone can convince ZOS to add a Block feature that effectively separates both parties, rather than just muting one party. As I said above, if I had to guess, I would say that ZOS probably would want to handle that through the Customer Service and ToS team. Why? If something is happening where one party wants to be invisible from another, due to some sort of interaction, then we are probably talking about a ToS violation.

Can Zos make it so both parties are effectively separated when one has the other on ignore? Doubtful any game would go to the effort of effectively separating both parties. To have them in separate instances means the servers now need to check all ignore lists and open additional instances just to accommodate this. Not to mention even that there are reasons why zone chat should not be muted.

Regardless, OP is wrong, the person one ignores should still be able to see your chat in zone. They are not the ones doing the ignoring and it would be to easy to ignore someone then trash talk them because they would be to able to see it. Logically speaking it makes no sense that one would expect it to work as OP suggests.

TheFM · February 2020

Neoealth wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Neoealth wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

how about real life ignore treatment?

Are you really telling someone who is being harassed to " just ignore it "? Thats a non solution.

It's actually the best solution. It works 100% of the time. Unless that person escalates the harassment to your real life.But just for the internet, as soon as I stop taking any notice of them and not caring about them one way or another, the problem is gone.

Getting angry and making threads like this probably just make your tormentor happy.

Bringing attention to harassment is what needs to be done, ignoring it and saying whatever is not because it will effect someone else eventually or often.

I doubt there is anything you can do to stop someone being a general jerk in their life. At least not with reports and telling others about them. You're just personally responsible for yourself, you can't worry about protecting others from their bullying or whatever. Well you can, but it's not very realistic to think your reporting or campaign against them can prevent others from being their target as well.

On the internet it really pays to have a thick skin, make yourself immune to all the BS that people can throw your way.It's all baggage you can do without.

I'm part of the LGBTQ community and read the comments on articles, my skin is damned near armadillo thickness, however allowing it to happen because it doesn't concern someone else is a non solution.

jircris11 · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

This is probably the only game I have ever seen that when you block someone, even on the forums too, they still see what you write, and so they can just have their friends copy and paste insults and send them to you, and then when your block list is full you are SoL, why can it not be like every other game where if you block someone they cant see what you say, and vice versa?

Report it along with screenshots. It's that it ignore. Harrassment is no joke nor fun but at the end of the day, those are the two options. It's not as if this idiot is able to hound you outside of eso.

Elsonso · February 2020

idk wrote: »

Can Zos make it so both parties are effectively separated when one has the other on ignore? Doubtful any game would go to the effort of effectively separating both parties. To have them in separate instances means the servers now need to check all ignore lists and open additional instances just to accommodate this. Not to mention even that there are reasons why zone chat should not be muted.

Regardless, OP is wrong, the person one ignores should still be able to see your chat in zone. They are not the ones doing the ignoring and it would be to easy to ignore someone then trash talk them because they would be to able to see it. Logically speaking it makes no sense that one would expect it to work as OP suggests.

Can they do a block feature? Yes. It is a "simple matter of programming".

That is actually not as much of an issue as...

Is it too expensive, or too much effort, to do it? That depends. If ZOS wants to cut Customer Service staff having to deal with petty squabbles that escalate to the point that Ignore does not work, then a Block feature might be cheaper than paying people to handle it. Spending a million to develop the feature once might be cheaper than paying people for the remainder of the life of the game. Of course, they can always just ignore it. Pun intended.

Block works pretty much exactly as what the OP wants. Party A and Party B cannot actively interact with each other. Simply speaking, no social interactions (say, yell, emote, etc) work between them. I consider it extra credit if they also cannot see each other in the game, cannot be in the same instance of a zone, or even not allowed to be in the same guilds.

However, I think that I am with you on this subject, especially on the subject of reverse Ignore.

TheFM · February 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Can Zos make it so both parties are effectively separated when one has the other on ignore? Doubtful any game would go to the effort of effectively separating both parties. To have them in separate instances means the servers now need to check all ignore lists and open additional instances just to accommodate this. Not to mention even that there are reasons why zone chat should not be muted.

Regardless, OP is wrong, the person one ignores should still be able to see your chat in zone. They are not the ones doing the ignoring and it would be to easy to ignore someone then trash talk them because they would be to able to see it. Logically speaking it makes no sense that one would expect it to work as OP suggests.

Can they do a block feature? Yes. It is a "simple matter of programming". That is actually not as much of an issue as...

Is it too expensive, or too much effort, to do it? That depends. If ZOS wants to cut Customer Service staff having to deal with petty squabbles that escalate to the point that Ignore does not work, then a Block feature might be cheaper than paying people to handle it. Spending a million to develop the feature once might be cheaper than paying people for the remainder of the life of the game. Of course, they can always just ignore it. Pun intended.

Block works pretty much exactly as what the OP wants. Party A and Party B cannot actively interact with each other. Simply speaking, no social interactions (say, yell, emote, etc) work between them. I consider it extra credit if they also cannot see each other in the game, cannot be in the same instance of a zone, or even not allowed to be in the same guilds.

However, I think that I am with you on this subject, especially on the subject of reverse Ignore.

Honestly it's be a great addition to the game, why should people who act like that rewarded with social interactions ?

jircris11 · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

This is probably the only game I have ever seen that when you block someone, even on the forums too, they still see what you write, and so they can just have their friends copy and paste insults and send them to you, and then when your block list is full you are SoL, why can it not be like every other game where if you block someone they cant see what you say, and vice versa?

Report it along with screenshots. It's that it ignore. Harrassment is no joke nor fun but at the end of the day, those are the two options. It's not as if this idiot is able to hound you outside of eso.

To an extent I had someone threaten to kill me before, and I think that's the only time I ever saw action taken. Even when I've been called some pretty disgusting stuff and have been told I should be r...., That was an extreme case, but yeah.

idk wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

how about real life ignore treatment?

Are you really telling someone who is being harassed to " just ignore it "? Thats a non solution.

and how is he harassed? text in chat? ignore it lol. See these is like the problems with bullies in schools, we can't stop bullying, we need to teach our kids to not be lil btches

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Exactly. Someone says something abusive or bashing just turn around and walk away. They end up getting themselves so worked up because they cannot get someone else all worked up that their pea sized brain explodes.

I usually just block them and be done with it, however you can still hear them if they happen to be in the group you join, or if you are unlucky enough to get them in dungeon finder or bgs. Honestly it needs to be a flat block, like most other MMOs.

I just pretend I'm in a CoD lobby. You get those ALL THE TIME there. Most the time they are a little kid or some "gangsta" wanna be lol. Mmo wise, I had one issue where someone tormented me. But blocking their 7 accounts stopped that. End of the day they are words said by a petty idiot. I suffer from ptsd from my time as a fire fighter, was told to burn in a fire by an ex guildie who I kicked for repeated offenses. As well as other things, but words are just that. If they threaten, report,block, move on.

idk · February 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Can Zos make it so both parties are effectively separated when one has the other on ignore? Doubtful any game would go to the effort of effectively separating both parties. To have them in separate instances means the servers now need to check all ignore lists and open additional instances just to accommodate this. Not to mention even that there are reasons why zone chat should not be muted.

Regardless, OP is wrong, the person one ignores should still be able to see your chat in zone. They are not the ones doing the ignoring and it would be to easy to ignore someone then trash talk them because they would be to able to see it. Logically speaking it makes no sense that one would expect it to work as OP suggests.

Can they do a block feature? Yes. It is a "simple matter of programming". That is actually not as much of an issue as...

Is it too expensive, or too much effort, to do it? That depends. If ZOS wants to cut Customer Service staff having to deal with petty squabbles that escalate to the point that Ignore does not work, then a Block feature might be cheaper than paying people to handle it. Spending a million to develop the feature once might be cheaper than paying people for the remainder of the life of the game. Of course, they can always just ignore it. Pun intended.

Block works pretty much exactly as what the OP wants. Party A and Party B cannot actively interact with each other. Simply speaking, no social interactions (say, yell, emote, etc) work between them. I consider it extra credit if they also cannot see each other in the game, cannot be in the same instance of a zone, or even not allowed to be in the same guilds.

However, I think that I am with you on this subject, especially on the subject of reverse Ignore.

Oh, I agree that it can be done. I just doubt it is worth the effort and the additional server load. If CS became overwhelmed with tickets over these squabbles getting out of hand then Zos would step in and tell them to stop acting like children and eventually kick them out the door because they are more trouble than they are worth. Pretty much like any business would if they have some patrons that behave badly.

Elsonso · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Can Zos make it so both parties are effectively separated when one has the other on ignore? Doubtful any game would go to the effort of effectively separating both parties. To have them in separate instances means the servers now need to check all ignore lists and open additional instances just to accommodate this. Not to mention even that there are reasons why zone chat should not be muted.

Regardless, OP is wrong, the person one ignores should still be able to see your chat in zone. They are not the ones doing the ignoring and it would be to easy to ignore someone then trash talk them because they would be to able to see it. Logically speaking it makes no sense that one would expect it to work as OP suggests.

Can they do a block feature? Yes. It is a "simple matter of programming". That is actually not as much of an issue as...

Is it too expensive, or too much effort, to do it? That depends. If ZOS wants to cut Customer Service staff having to deal with petty squabbles that escalate to the point that Ignore does not work, then a Block feature might be cheaper than paying people to handle it. Spending a million to develop the feature once might be cheaper than paying people for the remainder of the life of the game. Of course, they can always just ignore it. Pun intended.

Block works pretty much exactly as what the OP wants. Party A and Party B cannot actively interact with each other. Simply speaking, no social interactions (say, yell, emote, etc) work between them. I consider it extra credit if they also cannot see each other in the game, cannot be in the same instance of a zone, or even not allowed to be in the same guilds.

However, I think that I am with you on this subject, especially on the subject of reverse Ignore.

Honestly it's be a great addition to the game, why should people who act like that rewarded with social interactions ?

The immediate problem that I see, once we get past what is probably a very high development cost, is that it can easily be abused. The person rewarded for acting like that ends up being the person using it.

idk · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

idk wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

how about real life ignore treatment?

Are you really telling someone who is being harassed to " just ignore it "? Thats a non solution.

and how is he harassed? text in chat? ignore it lol. See these is like the problems with bullies in schools, we can't stop bullying, we need to teach our kids to not be lil btches

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Exactly. Someone says something abusive or bashing just turn around and walk away. They end up getting themselves so worked up because they cannot get someone else all worked up that their pea sized brain explodes.

I usually just block them and be done with it, however you can still hear them if they happen to be in the group you join, or if you are unlucky enough to get them in dungeon finder or bgs. Honestly it needs to be a flat block, like most other MMOs.

I do agree that the AF should never place us with a player on our ignore list. That much I have seen in other MMORPGs and it seems that Zos does not have such a feature. I say seems because after 6 years I have a very short ignore list.

I have never seen a complete block in any MMORPG but I have only played in large ones outside of Neverwinter. I think the only reasonable expectation is they cannot contact you directly and should not be placed into a group together via the AF.

If it is true harassment that is not being fueled by petty responses then Zos should take administrative action against the harasser if it is reported. If it is fueled by petty responses then Zos should probably take administrative action against both parties.

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SeaGtGruff · February 2020

Royaji wrote: »

But there is a difference between being intentionally insulted by someone and just having your feelings hurt because someone happens to disagree with you.

Except that if the person who happens to disagree with you gets their friends to forward insults to you because you have the person blocked, that's more than just disagreeing with you, it's gone to the level of harassment.

Coppes · February 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

But there is a difference between being intentionally insulted by someone and just having your feelings hurt because someone happens to disagree with you.

Except that if the person who happens to disagree with you gets their friends to forward insults to you because you have the person blocked, that's more than just disagreeing with you, it's gone to the level of harassment.

Then /ignore their friends? It’s not hard. There’s not 50+ people messaging you.

Just continue talking in chat (without insulting or baiting them). They’ll keep trying to message you, and then just keep ignoring them. Maybe even turn of whispers for awhile.

I 98% guarantee you that they’ll stop. If they start again tomorrow and the day after that, report them.

Eventually, they’ll calm down or move on to whatever they were doing before.

mustangmorgan31 · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

how about real life ignore treatment?

Are you really telling someone who is being harassed to " just ignore it "? Thats a non solution.

Who cares what anyone says in a forum post? So yeah ignore it. Are they going to climb into their computer and portal to yours and climb out and punch you? Most of these people are just keyboard warriors.

Sylvermynx · February 2020

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[Edited for removed content] I've been online since the mid 90s, and no matter what you do about "ignore", most forum software isn't going to work the way the OP wants (especially vanilla.... what a crap piece of forum software.... cheap probably, but also crap; PHPbb is SO much better).

Honestly though.... it's better to know what's being said about you. That way you know if you need to get CS involved. Usually, ignoring (chat especially) will make the ignored eventually realize they aren't getting their garbage endorphins from you. But in cases of serious harassment, the only real option is CS. And they have the tools to see exactly what was said/done when, though of course digging through logs can take quite a while.

SeaGtGruff · February 2020

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What this is is the age of the internet and cell phones and online everything, where it's really easy for people to harass others in various ways.

As for everyone who says to just ignore harassment, that doesn't always work, and it certainly doesn't do anything to stop the harassers from feeling like they've got a license to harass anyone else they feel like harassing. Blaming the victims or calling them snowflakes is misguided, if not worse.

Sephyr · February 2020

While there are times when one can ignore someone physically and not let it bother you, the system at it's core isn't the most efficient. When I found out that I could STILL BE GROUPED with someone I've ignored (back with Morrowind's release), I stopped doing a lot of group finder content because of it. I'm not sure if this is still the case and I really hope that this isn't still the case.

HalvarIronfist · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

This is probably the only game I have ever seen that when you block someone, even on the forums too, they still see what you write, and so they can just have their friends copy and paste insults and send them to you, and then when your block list is full you are SoL, why can it not be like every other game where if you block someone they cant see what you say, and vice versa?

I'm not sure if this is an applicable concept; but sometimes the answer to these sort of problems is just:

Seems to work for me, have never blocked a soul in ESO or the forums.

Unfortunately, you'll NEVER stop people from being rude, trolls, or so forth; it's just a part of life we all have to deal with. That isn't condoning the behavior, but it's merely the reality of the situation.

DaveMoeDee · February 2020

I don't like the idea of a block meaning other people can't read what you post in zone. Zone is public.

If there is a problem with their behavior, report it. Also, stop caring about what they say.