Please buff nightblade

wsmith97ub17_ESO · February 2020

I main nb and have done so since game launch.

I will dip into other classes now and again.

Easy win mode is templar and necro both stam and mag.

Only newer players lose to nb these days. Vets smoke them easily.

On my magcro i just ignore them, letting them use their gutted little kit, its a hoot.

Kadoin · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

Most of my recent high MMR games are around this mark (give or take a few hundred thousand).

The damage is there for Magblade but you have to work for it a lot more in my opinion. And most (if not all) of it is single target damage.

I can't come close to the heals though as some of these other classes can. Like the Warden I saw who put up 1.3m damage and 700k heals - just insane.

The truth about NBs...

That and the class feels too set-dependent, unlike the other classes. This is a problem because ZOS keeps nerfing and buffing sets all the time which will eventually lead to a swing in NB being broken OP or being weak over and over again. In fact, this coming patch we might actually see complaints about NBs because of how ZOS has balanced some of these sets.

I'll be sure to brew some tea in preparation for that day...

Iskiab · February 2020

Joxer61 wrote: »

Ok, tad confused reading all this in regards to Stamblade. From what I can gather they kinda suck...but then you go and look and find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvVTAexXKoY

now its not the parse so much but read his comments...….??

That’s a pve parse though. Most of the complaints are about pvp, where dps doesn’t matter and burst and cc are king.

For example; if incap/soul harvest were AoE, surprise attack/swallow soul were aoe and undodgable and stunned, merciless was aoe and you built a stack of merciless every second without light attacking, and there was no delay on anything... that parse number would be exactly the same but I think it would have a big effect on pvp, don’t you?

snoozy · February 2020

make stamblade great again

Xvorg · February 2020

Taktak wrote: »

pls make penalty on nightblade clock like sorc streak, Casting again within 3 seconds costs 33% more Magicka.

Ok, but let the NB run while cloaked without breaking invis and we have a deal.

Xvorg · February 2020

Kadoin wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Most of my recent high MMR games are around this mark (give or take a few hundred thousand).

The damage is there for Magblade but you have to work for it a lot more in my opinion. And most (if not all) of it is single target damage.

I can't come close to the heals though as some of these other classes can. Like the Warden I saw who put up 1.3m damage and 700k heals - just insane.

The truth about NBs...

That and the class feels too set-dependent, unlike the other classes. This is a problem because ZOS keeps nerfing and buffing sets all the time which will eventually lead to a swing in NB being broken OP or being weak over and over again. In fact, this coming patch we might actually see complaints about NBs because of how ZOS has balanced some of these sets.

I'll be sure to brew some tea in preparation for that day...

NBs are not set-dependants. StamDK is set-dependant and at some point you can fare well with fury + anything (though it is boring).

NBs are not saved even with the best sets in the game because all the options NB have were nerfed long ago. At some point the class had access to 3 sources of Major Exp. Now it is just one and not the best one.

So if you want to build for hit and run, you must slot path... and that feels so wrong because path takes you out from stealth. Do NBs need that? How can you efficiently hit'n run with that?

kaithuzar · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Taktak wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Taktak wrote: »

@Deathlord92 NB is fine you just need to learn how to play with it

Next you’ll tell me magsorc needs a buff. Try playing other classes, or your own class, well and then start sharing your opinion please.

i played nb in pvp and pve, i can say it completely fine
any buff for this class will make it broken like before

At what level? I haven’t seen a NB on PC-NA I’d say was competitive in a BG (where you can see performance stats at the end) in over 3 months.

I have a group of friends I play high mmr bg’s with on PC-NA. But...each is doing ~1mil+ dmg on every other class (warden, sorc, templar) while my magblade gets ~800k
If they run heals at all, they are doing ~600k+ to my only 300-400k

This has shown consistent across many matches & numbers speak for themselves imo.

Most of my recent high MMR games are around this mark (give or take a few hundred thousand).

The damage is there for Magblade but you have to work for it a lot more in my opinion. And most (if not all) of it is single target damage.

I can't come close to the heals though as some of these other classes can. Like the Warden I saw who put up 1.3m damage and 700k heals - just insane.

To me this just looks like the difference of PC meta vs console meta or PC players vs console players.
I guarantee, if you’re playing a magblade, my build has more damage potential & is more well rounded than yours. It’s not a matter of building for it, it’s a matter of it being easily mitigated or healed through.

kaithuzar · February 2020

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

Listen I get it, Nightblades are terrible, and everyone knows it. But do we really need to spam the PTS with this topic over and over? If ZOS doesn't want Nightblades to be competitive then there's nothing we can do about it.

We learned this from Sorcs, seemed to work for them.

kaithuzar · February 2020

Kadoin wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Most of my recent high MMR games are around this mark (give or take a few hundred thousand).

The damage is there for Magblade but you have to work for it a lot more in my opinion. And most (if not all) of it is single target damage.

I can't come close to the heals though as some of these other classes can. Like the Warden I saw who put up 1.3m damage and 700k heals - just insane.

The truth about NBs...

That and the class feels too set-dependent, unlike the other classes. This is a problem because ZOS keeps nerfing and buffing sets all the time which will eventually lead to a swing in NB being broken OP or being weak over and over again. In fact, this coming patch we might actually see complaints about NBs because of how ZOS has balanced some of these sets.

I'll be sure to brew some tea in preparation for that day...

ANY complaints about nightblade has, & will always be, with stamblade, not magblade.

nyarthi · February 2020

My complaint with nightblades is that they have one of the more complex dynamic rotations in the game and you aren't rewarded for the extra work you put into learning them. You can just pick up another class, do a no-brainer, static rotation and out-do the damage of a nightblade. For the complexity and hard work alone, nightblades should be in a better place dps-wise.

Wa2p · February 2020

Can we all agree on something? Comparing the 1% of players to 99% isn't fair? If this is the standard, then Stam build parses by Liko:

Stamblade: 88k | Stamsroc: 91k | Stamden: 87k | Stamdk: 87k | Stamplar: 89k | Stamcro: 94k

....Hm..... Not top 3, not the worst by 1k, but I'd say there is a disparity there. Perhaps we should just get everyone to that nice 94k? Because we all know 99% of players in this game will parse that. Saying it's his comments is silly, it looks like he had positive things to day about all the classes. The argument about parses is ridiculous, that shows potential of a very small number of people to achieve. Just stop. Please.

Bucky_13 · February 2020

Vyvrhel wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

When on my stamblade I use almost no class skills. I went from SA to Silver shards, I went from Killers blade to Executioner, it makes no sense to use the "escape" skills since Shuffle does the same and better. Heals? Nobody uses anything class based, just Vigor and Rally. So please name some CLASS SKILLS which are really good.
Even on my lowbie underequipped magplar I have better win to loss ratrio than on my main.
It is not about instakilling. I do not mind if they change the toolkit to work different way than a burst damage. There are ways. But as it is now the class just does not work.

For my stamblade sniper, Leeching Strikes, Relentless Focus, Cloak & Soul Tether, could probably add Shadow Image as well. As for skills that do damage, There's not a lot usable when you're ranged and stamina.