Should the changes to Ice Heart be Reverted?

BalticBlues · February 2020

Yes

Destroy some good old content because some new crappy content has to be sold?

Valykc · February 2020

Yes

Vote with your wallets and unsub if you don’t support it. I already did. I don’t even crutch on this set by any means, I just liked it only my MagDen because Frost Mage. However, this change is blatantly to make the new dlc set a better option. It hurts new players and I’m just done, I can’t support this game anymore with changes like this. Nerf sustain, nerf speed, nerf dots, nerf anything they feel like just to flip the game on its head.

Nobody in this PTS cycle asked for Iceheart to be nerfed. Yet some feedback, like the Stalking Blastbones morph gaining no additional damage bonus since the skill change, goes completely ignored for THREE WEEKS!

Froil · February 2020

Yes

I don't even use Iceheart but I know there was absolutely no need to nerf it. If they wanted to make Cianniat(?) better, they should've just buffed it or made it different.

RaptorRodeoGod · February 2020

Yes

It's the long cooldown that really kills it. That's the issue with Brands of Imperium and Phoenix. If the cooldown is going to be as long as they say, shouldn't they actually buff the shield so it is more in line with Brands of Imperium?

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

Yes

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

It's the long cooldown that really kills it. That's the issue with Brands of Imperium and Phoenix. If the cooldown is going to be as long as they say, shouldn't they actually buff the shield so it is more in line with Brands of Imperium?

you cant compare a monster set to a 5pc set and that the problem, a monster set is ment to out perform a 5pc or why bother having them at all

Darkenarlol · February 2020

Yes

2 ZOS' main balancing rules :

- middle finger rule (just throw one in customer's face every update)

- play as you want (with what we left 4 u dawg lol)

Grandma · February 2020

Yes

their logic was fine. It had too much power, defense, and cooldown speed at once for the amount of stuff it did. so you nerf one and tone it down.

instead they nerfed all 3.

Either nerf the shield, the cooldown, or the damage, not all 3. nerfing all 3 just frustrates literally everyone who ever wanted to use it, and makes your buffing mother ciannat [or however its spelled] come across creepily close to replacing it with paid content.

Raisin · February 2020

Yes

Sets that fill a reasonably sized niche are the best kind of set. Now this will make the content I'm currently interested in (trial trifectas) harder, which generally makes me one happy camper... But it's always a shame to see any set nerfed into the ground. It's simple: if you've changed a set to a point where no one uses it anymore and it gets added to the pile to worthless sets, you did an oopsie. It's not supposed to be completely okay, but it has to be worth using in its niche of situations. IH makes you sacrifice damage. It's not some end all BiS and people don't want to wear it unless absolutely necessary. If you need to nerf it a little to balance it, that's fine, but this isn't balanced. This is wiping IH off the table of options to consider and that's not healthy for the game. We have enough dead sets.

SirLeeMinion · February 2020

Yes

Voted revert... of course, the vote means nothing. ZOS does not give a rip about PTS feedback. Nor do they care that I've stopped putting money into the game because of the relentless, poorly-considered changes that always accompany new content.

But, voting with your wallet does feel good. It's one of the many things that have zero impact when done alone but might make a difference in the aggregate.

#killingit

RaptorRodeoGod · February 2020

Yes

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

It's the long cooldown that really kills it. That's the issue with Brands of Imperium and Phoenix. If the cooldown is going to be as long as they say, shouldn't they actually buff the shield so it is more in line with Brands of Imperium?

you cant compare a monster set to a 5pc set and that the problem, a monster set is ment to out perform a 5pc or why bother having them at all

I'm just saying, if they're going to compare two sets, they should be consistent when they make adjustments. They shouldn't have compared Iceheart to Imperium because they did not scale the Iceheart bonus to be consistent with Imperium bonus. My only guess to as to why is because the "damage" on the Iceheart set hyper bloats its "power budget."

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

Yes

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

RaptorRodeoGod wrote: »

It's the long cooldown that really kills it. That's the issue with Brands of Imperium and Phoenix. If the cooldown is going to be as long as they say, shouldn't they actually buff the shield so it is more in line with Brands of Imperium?

you cant compare a monster set to a 5pc set and that the problem, a monster set is ment to out perform a 5pc or why bother having them at all

I'm just saying, if they're going to compare two sets, they should be consistent when they make adjustments. They shouldn't have compared Iceheart to Imperium because they did not scale the Iceheart bonus to be consistent with Imperium bonus. My only guess to as to why is because the "damage" on the Iceheart set hyper bloats its "power budget."

when i say "you" i mean them

mague · February 2020

Yes

Please dont nerf the cooldown !!!

If it is overperforming, then lower damage and shield a bit. But 20% every other 12 secs is useless.

Carsinomus · February 2020

Yes

I feel exZOSted with this nerfs! They (ZOS) either stupid or greedy. I bet on second...

Nemesis7884 · February 2020

Yes

its really tough to get the eso community 96% behind anything, but the horrible combat team even manages that...

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

Yes

If they really want to nerf Iceheart for the sake of nerfing and to make look Mother Ciannait better than it actualy is, I would suggest these:
1) remove damage component entirely
2) leave shield value as it is in 5.3.2 to be in line with their useless wannabe replacement for Iceheart, which really can't be called a replacement
3) REVERT THE COOLDOWN BACK TO 6 SECONDS

Beardimus · February 2020

No

Sets a crutch that devalues no death

Results of this poll only prove that they are right to nerf it

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2020

Tbh never heard anyone saying that this set is OP... Have not used it because of a couple of reasons - primarly - the double proc chance - 20% on a crit. So 1st you have to crit and then it is 20% . I dislike proc-sets in general. I don't like when it is RNG that decides if I win or fail.

But, since we have this rng aspect of the set, I think that it should be treated as a kiss-curse.

But what worries me the most is that this change is done purley to sell new dlc.
Devs said in their comment that this set (according to their math and spreadsheet, which btw. I would like to see) was above their standards. Well, if Iceheart was above, then what about Chudan or Zaan ?

And btw. - Chudan was already reviewed last year and stayed as it is, so it is not above any standards...

Basically I will repeat myself - I am worried that iceheart is just the begining and ZOS will keep nerfing older base game sets and skills in order to push new content.
Loosing trust to the devs. Maybe it is not the fault of the combat team but rather - the upper management, as always.

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

Yes

Beardimus wrote: »

Sets a crutch that devalues no death

Results of this poll only prove that they are right to nerf it

Comments like these are reason why we don't have "thumbs down" option in forums.

satanio · February 2020

Yes

Beardimus wrote: »

Sets a crutch that devalues no death

Results of this poll only prove that they are right to nerf it

Flawless logic. xD

So anything that helps in some achievement devalues that respective achievement?

Anyways, revert the change.

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

Yes

Beardimus wrote: »

Sets a crutch that devalues no death

Results of this poll only prove that they are right to nerf it

by that logic so do achievement runs and carry runs should we ban those?

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

Yes

satanio wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Sets a crutch that devalues no death

Results of this poll only prove that they are right to nerf it

Flawless logic. xD

So anything that helps in some achievement devalues that respective achievement?

Anyways, revert the change.

Necromancers in group drasticaly ease speed run trial achievements. I think we should ban Necromancers entirely as these devalue speed runs.

Pardus01 · February 2020

Yes

Beardimus wrote: »

Sets a crutch that devalues no death

Results of this poll only prove that they are right to nerf it

mimimimi oohh look, i am the best. I do no-death runs without iceheart with 15k hp. mimimii screw you all. I am better than all of you... mimiimimimi

Elwendryll · February 2020

Yes

How cold-hearted would you have to be to nerf that set? (badum tss)

haelene · February 2020

Yes

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Basically I will repeat myself - I am worried that iceheart is just the begining and ZOS will keep nerfing older base game sets and skills in order to push new content.

This is exactly what's going to happen, unfortunately. It's a pretty well documented pattern at this point.

juhislihis19 · February 2020

Darkenarlol wrote: »

2 ZOS' main balancing rules :

- middle finger rule (just throw one in customer's face every update)

- play as you want (with what we left 4 u dawg lol)

You forgot:

- ban the objectors and silence the critic!

AngelaWasp · February 2020

Yes

I didn't get round to buying the new chapter yet and if they don't reverse this decision about Iceheart, I definitely won't buy it. I only use Iceheart in pve solo play, not in Maelstrom, pvp or trials. I use it to relax, go fishing and explore the world. I'm so damn disappointed.

Asardes · February 2020

No

I think the change was warranted and I'm in fact surprised they didn't do it earlier.

8600 was slightly more than Harness Magicka/Empowered Ward tool tip capped at 50% HP - and slightly less than Dampen Magicka/Hardened ward - which are capped at 60% HP - on a 17-18K HP DD. Also having no extra cooldown meant that you had it on permanently - in PvE settings the 20% proc chance meant nothing, since you have 3-4 DoTs ticking, and weave light attacks with spammable on most classes, so it would pretty much proc again right after it falls off. Casting what is basically your standard damage shield every 6s with no cost and doing some AoE damage was simply out of line with other 2p sets.

Mother Ciannait will be balanced now with Iceheart - half the shield, but with higher up time. It's similar to the balance between other sets that grant a shield, for example Combat Physician vs. Prayer Shawl - a bigger shield on a single target vs. a smaller shield on multiple targets. All were and will be niche sets.

Skysenzz · February 2020

No

This shut is just a pve carry. Need to nuke TK aswell now and we get healthier gameplay.

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

Yes

Asardes wrote: »

I think the change was warranted and I'm in fact surprised they didn't do it earlier.

8600 was slightly more than Harness Magicka/Empowered Ward tool tip capped at 50% HP - and slightly less than Dampen Magicka/Hardened ward - which are capped at 60% HP - on a 17-18K HP DD. Also having no extra cooldown meant that you had it on permanently - in PvE settings the 20% proc chance meant nothing, since you have 3-4 DoTs ticking, and weave light attacks with spammable on most classes, so it would pretty much proc again right after it falls off. Casting what is basically your standard damage shield every 6s with no cost and doing some AoE damage was simply out of line with other 2p sets.

Mother Ciannait will be balanced now with Iceheart - half the shield, but with higher up time. It's similar to the balance between other sets that grant a shield, for example Combat Physician vs. Prayer Shawl - a bigger shield on a single target vs. a smaller shield on multiple targets. All were and will be niche sets.

why are you compering a monster set with class skill's? the two are very separate, a monster set is designed (or it used to be) to give an added bonus thats why they are locked behind VET content otherwise just make them available in normal dungeons . your argument is flawed

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

Yes

Asardes wrote: »

I think the change was warranted and I'm in fact surprised they didn't do it earlier.

8600 was slightly more than Harness Magicka/Empowered Ward tool tip capped at 50% HP - and slightly less than Dampen Magicka/Hardened ward - which are capped at 60% HP - on a 17-18K HP DD. Also having no extra cooldown meant that you had it on permanently - in PvE settings the 20% proc chance meant nothing, since you have 3-4 DoTs ticking, and weave light attacks with spammable on most classes, so it would pretty much proc again right after it falls off. Casting what is basically your standard damage shield every 6s with no cost and doing some AoE damage was simply out of line with other 2p sets.

Mother Ciannait will be balanced now with Iceheart - half the shield, but with higher up time. It's similar to the balance between other sets that grant a shield, for example Combat Physician vs. Prayer Shawl - a bigger shield on a single target vs. a smaller shield on multiple targets. All were and will be niche sets.

17-18k hp DD? Are you serious? Standard magicka DD without any special investments into health has 20k hp without Ebon. Damn, magsorcs have over 26k with ebon and minor toughness up. That's a 15,6 Hardened Ward, almost double of Icehearts tooltip.