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Are templars (especially magicka) overpowered in PvP in compare to another classes?
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darthgummibear_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭JusticeSouldier wrote: »U don't need to think much about opponent, no sense...
Anyone who thinks like this has obviously never actually played one. They aren't OP, and are just as vulnerable to being shutdown as everyone else.
Stop crying for nerfs just because you can't pvp. This is a l2p issue.
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Destyran✭✭✭✭✭I have been a Templar main and this is the 3rd time they have ever been competitive one time was where the name Jesus beam came from the next was just before they nerfed shards and finally this we have to rely on off balance proc and toppling is still broken! Still! (Glad they made it more clear where molag bal died in the sewers instead of fixing this skill tho) I’d honestly say this is a l2p issue because almost all Stam classes Outperform I feel like people are just complaining a lot coz they used to be on a god mode stamblade and now they finally evened the playing field.1 -
MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭Another...I'd say block is over powered in pvp causing templars to be unkillable in certain situations. It's not the mag temp thats the problem its the combination of block and honor spam.1 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »JusticeSouldier wrote: »I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.
Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.
Worst thing is magplar is insanely usefull member of team in terms of healing, buffs, damage and surviveability...it shouldn't be in such way, it's broken balance
I think remembrance is overloaded as hell. Cheap cost, 10 seconds of major protection + massive healing. Sometimes I don't even use it for all 4 seconds, i just activate it for 2 seconds and then go offensive knowing that I have 8 seconds of major protection left.
Rememberance is a garbage ultimate which heals for literally nothing in NO-CP. You basically delay your own death by wasting ultimate on using it. Sure you can use it the way you describe, but I'm better off using crescent sweep if I want damage, compared to major protection from remembrance.
Maybe it's healing is garbage for magplar healer. On stamplar on backbar I have 10k tooltip in CP. Situations are different, sometimes using pure offensive ultimate is pointless. If you are under heavy pressure your onslaught won't help you without lined up burst. 1-2 seconds of remembrance into roll-dodge mist saved and saves me from focus so often as well as allows to survive for big rally stack and heal occasional allies.0 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.MartiniDaniels wrote: »Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.
Warden, Templar and Stam necro are absurdly strong atm, you are right there. Imagine if nightblades or sorcs performed anywhere near those classes, there would be calls for public lynchings.1 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...Actually for the first time ever, there are quite a mix up of top PvP classes. I see wardens, necro, dragonknights, and Templar in the top ten. Not like back in the day where the leader board was ALL DKs and Sorcs. Pet sorc's were real, and they were everywhere.
There is only ONE single thing inside of the Templar toolkit (Minor Sorcery) that is unique to the Templar. Everything else I can replicate BETTER on another class.
Sustain - Templar does -not- have the best sustain. This crown easily goes to the Dragonknight or the Necro where I have officially achieved infinite sustain. I do mean that quite literally infinite. Meaning my skill cost less, and return more then the move drains.
Healing - Nope. Though close, healing in PvP is not really a viable way to play. This is coming from somebody who was top 5 in BGs last week. In every case scenario even a moderately skilled person can out DPS those ridiculously expensive heals.
DPS - Though the utility is great, truth is the ENTIRE tree is dedicated to sweeps. Lost that, and well you throw one third of your uniqueness away. I've seen a 20K DK stomp, I've seen most player shoveled out with uppercut and execute spam. The latter is 90% of BGs and Cyro.
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I've seen some CRAZY things in my time none of which ever involved a Templar. I've watched a DK stomp and kill 8 players at once, on the same toon I watched him pop magma armor and he had 10 on the run. I've seen a Necro pull 91K, a number that I am absolutely sure no matter how hard the Templar tried, he couldn't achieve.
Everybody brings something to the table. I will beat OP with any class, every time.3 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.
Warden, Templar and Stam necro are absurdly strong atm, you are right there. Imagine if nightblades or sorcs performed anywhere near those classes, there would be calls for public lynchings.
I think from today's patch notes it will be clear if combat team plans to do something or not. If not, there will be sh***est patch ever with tank meta and wild imbalance between classes/specs.1 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...MartiniDaniels wrote: »Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.
Warden, Templar and Stam necro are absurdly strong atm, you are right there. Imagine if nightblades or sorcs performed anywhere near those classes, there would be calls for public lynchings.
You do realize that Sorcs and Nightblades made up 6 of the top 10 in last weeks BGs and Cyro right? By "perform anywhere near" do you mean something else completely?1 -
CynicK✭✭✭Another...I used to think templar was op but then for my warden I grinned two skill lines fighters guild for the ultimate and psijic to have an spamable that was not interruptible and learned from the forums that the damage of jabs could be mitigated with evasion, so now when there is a templar i switch one bird of prey for evasion, I have to say that i still need practice with it but i drop dawnbraker if they charge but usually I try to land a hit with crushing weapon and then the ultimate and then execute and it works like charm, that plus the reduction in damage and healing to them from evasion, yesterday it did not work but it was very late and I did not coordinate very well, with the character i have in heavy armor I have never had problems with templars especially because all magicka templars wear light armor and take a lot of damage, they throw me to the ground i throw them to the ground too with the one hand and shield charge, trick i copied from them and i can kill them and they cannot kill me, so i guess it depends on the build.
The real trick if you are wearing medium armor is evasion or blade cloak if you are dual wielding and then they are not that op I guess they have to have that into account because if they lowered the damage then it will be rather lacking when mitigated with evasion.0 -
Vanos444✭✭✭✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Just reduce their damage and increase their healing or tanking capabilities...
Make the bubble an essential feature like bubble scales their highest status.Edited by Vanos444 on February 3, 2020 2:43PM0 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another...Elric_Ashborn wrote: »Actually for the first time ever, there are quite a mix up of top PvP classes. I see wardens, necro, dragonknights, and Templar in the top ten. Not like back in the day where the leader board was ALL DKs and Sorcs. Pet sorc's were real, and they were everywhere.
There is only ONE single thing inside of the Templar toolkit (Minor Sorcery) that is unique to the Templar. Everything else I can replicate BETTER on another class.
Sustain - Templar does -not- have the best sustain. This crown easily goes to the Dragonknight or the Necro where I have officially achieved infinite sustain. I do mean that quite literally infinite. Meaning my skill cost less, and return more then the move drains.
Healing - Nope. Though close, healing in PvP is not really a viable way to play. This is coming from somebody who was top 5 in BGs last week. In every case scenario even a moderately skilled person can out DPS those ridiculously expensive heals.
DPS - Though the utility is great, truth is the ENTIRE tree is dedicated to sweeps. Lost that, and well you throw one third of your uniqueness away. I've seen a 20K DK stomp, I've seen most player shoveled out with uppercut and execute spam. The latter is 90% of BGs and Cyro.
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I've seen some CRAZY things in my time none of which ever involved a Templar. I've watched a DK stomp and kill 8 players at once, on the same toon I watched him pop magma armor and he had 10 on the run. I've seen a Necro pull 91K, a number that I am absolutely sure no matter how hard the Templar tried, he couldn't achieve.
Everybody brings something to the table. I will beat OP with any class, every time.
I call this post BS. Do you really think necro have great sustain? They have great burst, utility and survivalability and sustain is their only weakness. You need to build for it but amount of burst that class offers allows you to sacrifice some damage for it.
Healing part is ridiculous. Healing is basically one of main foundation of current tank meta. You can outheal most damage if your opponent fail to burst you in very small time window. About dps, you just admit that they have great skill line build around one ability that can be used easily and reliably.
I agree that templar don't have the best DPS but their toolkit is one of the greatest1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingElric_Ashborn wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.
Warden, Templar and Stam necro are absurdly strong atm, you are right there. Imagine if nightblades or sorcs performed anywhere near those classes, there would be calls for public lynchings.
You do realize that Sorcs and Nightblades made up 6 of the top 10 in last weeks BGs and Cyro right? By "perform anywhere near" do you mean something else completely?
Since when has the leaderboards meant anything except how much you play?Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten6 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...Do you really think necro have great sustain?Czekoludek wrote: »I call this post BS. Do you really think necro have great sustain? They have great burst, utility and survivalability and sustain is their only weakness. You need to build for it but amount of burst that class offers allows you to sacrifice some damage for it.
Healing part is ridiculous. Healing is basically one of main foundation of current tank meta. You can outheal most damage if your opponent fail to burst you in very small time window. About dps, you just admit that they have great skill line build around one ability that can be used easily and reliably.
I agree that templar don't have the best DPS but their toolkit is one of the greatest
I know they have great sustain. L2P As I said before Infinite
As others have posed screens in this thread, and my own personal damage, I can confirm this is a false statement. How can you heal a 34K onslaught? Mine pulls 30K. No amount of healing or tanking is viable for pvp. Especially when your going up against someone who knows what they are doing. I do agree on something you said, I think the word ridiculous is overused.You can outheal most damage if your opponent fail to burst
...and you just admitted it was just "good" which it is. But this is an MMO, good only goes so far. I wouldn't even put sweeps in top 8 of DPS. Why build and pick a just "ok" "good" DPS move? You don't.About dps, you just admit
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Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...Elric_Ashborn wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.
Warden, Templar and Stam necro are absurdly strong atm, you are right there. Imagine if nightblades or sorcs performed anywhere near those classes, there would be calls for public lynchings.
You do realize that Sorcs and Nightblades made up 6 of the top 10 in last weeks BGs and Cyro right? By "perform anywhere near" do you mean something else completely?
Since when has the leaderboards meant anything except how much you play?
Means everything if you put a little thought into it. Nobody plays a build they think sucks, competing with those that are actually trying to lead those. You missed my point anyway, the only data point we have is how well they are performing in PVP. From the data we can see they are the PREFERRED CLASS It is very safe to say everyone in that top ten would disagree with you. If they were "nowhere near" no nightblade or sorc EVER could defeat a Templar. That is my definition of "nowhere near". In-fact I'll go one step you bring a Templar and a friend I'll meet you in Cyro and I'll beat you with both against both.0 -
Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.It and magsorc are overtuned. Both too easy to play and master compared to other classes.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingElric_Ashborn wrote: »Elric_Ashborn wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.
Warden, Templar and Stam necro are absurdly strong atm, you are right there. Imagine if nightblades or sorcs performed anywhere near those classes, there would be calls for public lynchings.
You do realize that Sorcs and Nightblades made up 6 of the top 10 in last weeks BGs and Cyro right? By "perform anywhere near" do you mean something else completely?
Since when has the leaderboards meant anything except how much you play?
Means everything if you put a little thought into it. Nobody plays a build they think sucks, competing with those that are actually trying to lead those. You missed my point anyway, the only data point we have is how well they are performing in PVP. From the data we can see they are the PREFERRED CLASS It is very safe to say everyone in that top ten would disagree with you. If they were "nowhere near" no nightblade or sorc EVER could defeat a Templar. That is my definition of "nowhere near". In-fact I'll go one step you bring a Templar and a friend I'll meet you in Cyro and I'll beat you with both against both.
That’s a bad way of looking at it. The people at the top of the leaderboards in Cyro all play in organized groups. Organized groups are all magballs right now. No one is solo in cyrodiil and farming 300k AP an hour.
If you want to see how a spec performs in a small scale or solo setting you should be looking at BGs. In the case of BGs there isn’t a magblade in sight.Edited by Iskiab on February 3, 2020 3:24PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...That’s a bad way of looking at it. The people at the top of the leaderboards in Cyro all play in organized groups. Organized groups are all magballs right now.
If you want to see how a spec performs in a small scale or solo setting you should be looking at BGs. In the case of BGs there isn’t a magblade in sight.
I was talking about BGs... the reason you don't see and is it reset. Plus if your not seeing two handed sorcs in BGs then your simply not playing BGs. I qued yesterday where ALL three groups including myself was a sorc.0 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.Just reduce their damage and increase their healing or tanking capabilities...
Make the bubble an essential feature like bubble scales their highest status.
Wut, they dont need better tanking or healing, not by any measure of anything.It and magsorc are overtuned. Both too easy to play and master compared to other classes.
Mag sorc is not overperforming by any means atm. Broken lightnng ulti, slowest projectile and execute in the game, easy to kill pets that without pet sorcs are incapable of healing, curse was already nerfed last patch, etc.
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Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another...Elric_Ashborn wrote: »Do you really think necro have great sustain?Czekoludek wrote: »I call this post BS. Do you really think necro have great sustain? They have great burst, utility and survivalability and sustain is their only weakness. You need to build for it but amount of burst that class offers allows you to sacrifice some damage for it.
Healing part is ridiculous. Healing is basically one of main foundation of current tank meta. You can outheal most damage if your opponent fail to burst you in very small time window. About dps, you just admit that they have great skill line build around one ability that can be used easily and reliably.
I agree that templar don't have the best DPS but their toolkit is one of the greatest
I know they have great sustain. L2P As I said before Infinite
As others have posed screens in this thread, and my own personal damage, I can confirm this is a false statement. How can you heal a 34K onslaught? Mine pulls 30K. No amount of healing or tanking is viable for pvp. Especially when your going up against someone who knows what they are doing. I do agree on something you said, I think the word ridiculous is overused.You can outheal most damage if your opponent fail to burst
...and you just admitted it was just "good" which it is. But this is an MMO, good only goes so far. I wouldn't even put sweeps in top 8 of DPS. Why build and pick a just "ok" "good" DPS move? You don't.About dps, you just admit
Are you trying to tell me that 34k onslaught is failed burst?
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingElric_Ashborn wrote: »That’s a bad way of looking at it. The people at the top of the leaderboards in Cyro all play in organized groups. Organized groups are all magballs right now.
If you want to see how a spec performs in a small scale or solo setting you should be looking at BGs. In the case of BGs there isn’t a magblade in sight.
I was talking about BGs... the reason you don't see and is it reset. Plus if your not seeing two handed sorcs in BGs then your simply not playing BGs. I qued yesterday where ALL three groups including myself was a sorc.
I don’t see that many NBs, well not on winning teams. Sorcs yea I do.
You can extrapolate something about the strongest classes from it, but not the strongest players. As you do more BGs your MMR tank goes up and your queue time gets longer. The best players are rarely on the leaderboard.Edited by Iskiab on February 3, 2020 3:46PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...
Look at the screenshot in this thread. I come across 30K stomps too.Are you trying to tell me that 34k onslaught is failed burst?
Ok, since there are quite a few folks who don't know there are many many counter play options to a Templar one of which I will talk about now.
Volatile Armor - This single skill nullifies sweeps. Sweeps operates on the many hit principle (opposed to the one hit burst) that means 4 hits 4 returns. I know many including myself that can get this over 1500. Ten hits? Well that's 15,000 just standing there. Pop a healing reduction and I've seen healing from sweeps reduced to the double digits. It also needs to hit more, to get more. Meaning again, up against a tank build the returns are diminished.
Not to mention sets that proc via getting hit. No other class in this game is "all in" like this. An ability fails on everyone else? Meh, no big deal move on to the next. Sweeps fails on a Templar? You aren't going to be doing anything that OP posted. You won't do much of anything at all. Now that I'm typing this I think the Templar should get BUFFED! Jesus what a suck class.0 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another...Elric_Ashborn wrote: »
Look at the screenshot in this thread. I come across 30K stomps too.Are you trying to tell me that 34k onslaught is failed burst?
Ok, since there are quite a few folks who don't know there are many many counter play options to a Templar one of which I will talk about now.
Volatile Armor - This single skill nullifies sweeps. Sweeps operates on the many hit principle (opposed to the one hit burst) that means 4 hits 4 returns. I know many including myself that can get this over 1500. Ten hits? Well that's 15,000 just standing there. Pop a healing reduction and I've seen healing from sweeps reduced to the double digits. It also needs to hit more, to get more. Meaning again, up against a tank build the returns are diminished.
Not to mention sets that proc via getting hit. No other class in this game is "all in" like this. An ability fails on everyone else? Meh, no big deal move on to the next. Sweeps fails on a Templar? You aren't going to be doing anything that OP posted. You won't do much of anything at all. Now that I'm typing this I think the Templar should get BUFFED! Jesus what a suck class.
I didn't say 30k is impossible or rare, I said that you can heal through everything if your opponent failed to burst you in small time window.0 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...Elric_Ashborn wrote: »That’s a bad way of looking at it. The people at the top of the leaderboards in Cyro all play in organized groups. Organized groups are all magballs right now.
If you want to see how a spec performs in a small scale or solo setting you should be looking at BGs. In the case of BGs there isn’t a magblade in sight.
I was talking about BGs... the reason you don't see and is it reset. Plus if your not seeing two handed sorcs in BGs then your simply not playing BGs. I qued yesterday where ALL three groups including myself was a sorc.
I don’t see that many NBs, well not on winning teams. Sorcs yea I do.
You can extrapolate something about the strongest classes from it, but not the strongest players. As you do more BGs your MMR tank goes up and your queue time gets longer. The best players are rarely on the leaderboard.
We can debate the merits of the MMR system on another thread. Back to your original statement. That they are "nowhere near" is simply not correct, and there are "no nightblades or sorcs" that rank high, is simply false. You are not implying, you are directly saying the Templar's and Necros keep those classes out buy sheer merit of the class. Meaning no Sorc or Nightblade can ever beat a Templar or Necro. This is patently false.
As you've just admitted, there are tons of sorcs, that means there are tons of folks who DO feel the class is up to par. This is a fantasy game, where you make your own character, nobody is building for an unsuccessful venture. They all likely have in common one thing, they feel they've found something with that class.
Besides this is all crap anyway. Is Templar the best in PvP? No - Is the Templar the best at DPS? Hell no. - Is the Templar the best Tank? Hahaha No... - Is the Templar the best healer? Meh Subjective, most of the best healing moves and not class specific. Is he the best at ANYTHING? Yeah getting my daily done in Cyro and scoring easy in BGs when fighting against.
Edited by Elric_Ashborn on February 3, 2020 4:16PM0 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...Czekoludek wrote: »Elric_Ashborn wrote: »
Look at the screenshot in this thread. I come across 30K stomps too.Are you trying to tell me that 34k onslaught is failed burst?
Ok, since there are quite a few folks who don't know there are many many counter play options to a Templar one of which I will talk about now.
Volatile Armor - This single skill nullifies sweeps. Sweeps operates on the many hit principle (opposed to the one hit burst) that means 4 hits 4 returns. I know many including myself that can get this over 1500. Ten hits? Well that's 15,000 just standing there. Pop a healing reduction and I've seen healing from sweeps reduced to the double digits. It also needs to hit more, to get more. Meaning again, up against a tank build the returns are diminished.
Not to mention sets that proc via getting hit. No other class in this game is "all in" like this. An ability fails on everyone else? Meh, no big deal move on to the next. Sweeps fails on a Templar? You aren't going to be doing anything that OP posted. You won't do much of anything at all. Now that I'm typing this I think the Templar should get BUFFED! Jesus what a suck class.
I didn't say 30k is impossible or rare, I said that you can heal through everything if your opponent failed to burst you in small time window.
...30K will kill most light armor Templar in a single hit most build out with light armor, and even more build around 18K health.0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Templars seem decent to me, but not end of the world good. When ZOS made their gap closer functional after years of being a clunky mess, it really improved the class - decent spammable, good passive healing, CC, decent burst skill, a cheap, hard hitting ultimate, a good execute depending on who you ask, and purge. They have a more complete class kit than many classes these days, and that flexibility allows them to adjust to meta changes.
Mag sorc also has a complete-ish class kit. It is kinda of a hot mess right now, and not nearly as flexible as templar. The other mag classes all have serious gaps that they have to fill in from non-class skills. The non-class options available for mag just are not as good as those for stam. IMO, it puts the other mag classes at a disadvantage.
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Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another...Elric_Ashborn wrote: »Czekoludek wrote: »Elric_Ashborn wrote: »
Look at the screenshot in this thread. I come across 30K stomps too.Are you trying to tell me that 34k onslaught is failed burst?
Ok, since there are quite a few folks who don't know there are many many counter play options to a Templar one of which I will talk about now.
Volatile Armor - This single skill nullifies sweeps. Sweeps operates on the many hit principle (opposed to the one hit burst) that means 4 hits 4 returns. I know many including myself that can get this over 1500. Ten hits? Well that's 15,000 just standing there. Pop a healing reduction and I've seen healing from sweeps reduced to the double digits. It also needs to hit more, to get more. Meaning again, up against a tank build the returns are diminished.
Not to mention sets that proc via getting hit. No other class in this game is "all in" like this. An ability fails on everyone else? Meh, no big deal move on to the next. Sweeps fails on a Templar? You aren't going to be doing anything that OP posted. You won't do much of anything at all. Now that I'm typing this I think the Templar should get BUFFED! Jesus what a suck class.
I didn't say 30k is impossible or rare, I said that you can heal through everything if your opponent failed to burst you in small time window.
...30K will kill most light armor Templar in a single hit most build out with light armor, and even more build around 18K health.
Agreed, that's what I call successful burst, not failed one. I don't know if I need to spell it to you, IF YOU SUCCED TO BURST ENEMY DOWN IN SMALL TIME WINDOW, ENEMY WILL DIE. IF NOT, HE WILL SURVIVE BECAUSE OF HEALING. If enemy avoid your ulti and you lack the power to take him down without it in small window of time, his/her healing could be a deciding factor of victory. Jesus christ, that was hard0 -
Elric_Ashborn✭✭✭Another...Ok, let me put it in a way so that you can better understand. If you can't beat the lightest armored, lowest health, build that very heavily not only need but rely on long drawn out battles to get 2/3rds of their passives against classes that are optimized for burst, return damage, and healing reduction - I don't know what to tell you.
You are hung up on the "if" that is a very big if. Onslaught had to be debuffed cause it would comb through the light armor and return full ultimate. Now instead of them killing an entire crowd of templars you can pick anyone of your choosing.
No amount of healing will save them, they have to be built differently, and as I pointed out they are "all in" less damage = less healing, and well less everything.Edited by Elric_Ashborn on February 3, 2020 4:28PM0 -
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✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingI have 3 templars and all are used in PvE. They're tough to play against in Cryodiil, but we've all slayed plenty of them as well. With that being said...leave the class alone!0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smokingI don't know what game you are playing but magplar is nice overal, but the damage is not insane. You maybe need to learn to play? Stamplar much more OP and fun to play.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0