Please buff nightblade

Deathlord92 · January 2020

Can nightblade please get a buff during elsweyr we got massive nerfs some would agree more then we deserved. What’s even worse is ever since our nerfs other classes got big buffs wardens are hitting harder with there aoes then we are with our single target skills not much of a single target monster are we warden was just an example I’m not asking for nerfs just for nb to be buffed.

MashmalloMan · January 2020

Don't play my NB much, don't feel threatened facing them in PvP where I once was, I agree. Give NBs some love, especially if they're behind in PvE. Not that hard when you know there are abilities that players only use in PvE settings, it's not like it would hurt PvP.

I'd be fine with NB getting their stun back for their ult. You're going to be stunned out of stealth anyway, it's single target, has a cast time, silence is garbage.

Strider__Roshin · January 2020

Listen I get it, Nightblades are terrible, and everyone knows it. But do we really need to spam the PTS with this topic over and over? If ZOS doesn't want Nightblades to be competitive then there's nothing we can do about it.

Kittytravel · January 2020

It'd probably be more constructive to give actual suggestions to what abilities you think need buffed including morphs to be honest.

Personally on the PVE side I'd like to see Grim Focus turned into a 4 stack instead of 5 to make it feel more fluid as right now at 5 autos it feels draggy and clunky while weaving.
I'd also like to see Mark grant extra damage dealt to the marked target; this shouldn't be an issue in PvP either because it makes the NBs target rather telegraphed and you know you are getting targeted for burst.
And on a solo note make Drain Power and all morphs have a 40 second duration VS 20 second to make up for them having to actually hit something with it to even gain the buff to begin with; this wouldn't matter in most group play scenarios as Dragonknights provide the AoE version on demand at 20 seconds to your entire group, and even Werewolves (as bad as they might be right now) get an on-demand 30 second version. Surely there should be a bonus to NBs not getting an on-demand Major Brutality buff while Dragonknight saunters around with a full group version.

Of course none of the above will "fix" nightblades but it would atleast be a step forward where so far we haven't seen much. The next chapter may bring us better news though.

brandonv516 · January 2020

Kittytravel wrote: »

It'd probably be more constructive to give actual suggestions to what abilities you think need buffed including morphs to be honest.

Personally on the PVE side I'd like to see Grim Focus turned into a 4 stack instead of 5 to make it feel more fluid as right now at 5 autos it feels draggy and clunky while weaving.
I'd also like to see Mark grant extra damage dealt to the marked target; this shouldn't be an issue in PvP either because it makes the NBs target rather telegraphed and you know you are getting targeted for burst.
And on a solo note make Drain Power and all morphs have a 40 second duration VS 20 second to make up for them having to actually hit something with it to even gain the buff to begin with; this wouldn't matter in most group play scenarios as Dragonknights provide the AoE version on demand at 20 seconds to your entire group, and even Werewolves (as bad as they might be right now) get an on-demand 30 second version. Surely there should be a bonus to NBs not getting an on-demand Major Brutality buff while Dragonknight saunters around with a full group version.

Of course none of the above will "fix" nightblades but it would atleast be a step forward where so far we haven't seen much. The next chapter may bring us better news though.

While we are talking about Mark, the animation needs to be smoothed out like Elemental Drain. Right now it feels very clunky casting it.

ChunkyCat · January 2020

get cloaked

Kittytravel · January 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

While we are talking about Mark, the animation needs to be smoothed out like Elemental Drain. Right now it feels very clunky casting it.

I didn't know that; I've never used the ability personally because it's effect absolutely does not merit an entire skill slot. I always thought it'd work like ED or even Strifes targeting and cast.

Vyvrhel · January 2020

As I said elsewhere, I seriously doubt they will dare to reintroduce anything able to do a high single target damage since players and namely beginners hate "ganking". What they want in pvp is longer fight and this intent is common in many MMOs. The newbs just need some time to realize what is happening.

The solution might be to remove the (nerfed) burst damage skills from the toolkit and replace it with many different dots, debuffs, knockbacks etc., with one finisher which would work once the target is properly "subdued".Imagine a cat playing with a mouse.
The defences should be built around speed, evasion, dodging and jumping around, fast uncatchable target.

Drdeath20 · January 2020

Whats wrong with nightblades? They cant play stealthy anymore?

Iskiab · January 2020

Kittytravel wrote: »

It'd probably be more constructive to give actual suggestions to what abilities you think need buffed including morphs to be honest.

Personally on the PVE side I'd like to see Grim Focus turned into a 4 stack instead of 5 to make it feel more fluid as right now at 5 autos it feels draggy and clunky while weaving.
I'd also like to see Mark grant extra damage dealt to the marked target; this shouldn't be an issue in PvP either because it makes the NBs target rather telegraphed and you know you are getting targeted for burst.
And on a solo note make Drain Power and all morphs have a 40 second duration VS 20 second to make up for them having to actually hit something with it to even gain the buff to begin with; this wouldn't matter in most group play scenarios as Dragonknights provide the AoE version on demand at 20 seconds to your entire group, and even Werewolves (as bad as they might be right now) get an on-demand 30 second version. Surely there should be a bonus to NBs not getting an on-demand Major Brutality buff while Dragonknight saunters around with a full group version.

Of course none of the above will "fix" nightblades but it would atleast be a step forward where so far we haven't seen much. The next chapter may bring us better news though.

I think for magblade buffing the class dot and making rapid regen a self only heal would go a long way. Plus increase Swallow Soul’s
Damage.

ccfeeling · January 2020

In PVE , NB is too weak , especially healer role .

I have 3 NB char , tank , healer and DPS , don't play much since Nerfmire and other Nerf patches .

For the guild , I play DK tank , Warden healer and Templar DPS .

ZOS really need to pay much more to hire some professional staffs , don't expect everything from PTS .

Deathlord92 · January 2020

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

Listen I get it, Nightblades are terrible, and everyone knows it. But do we really need to spam the PTS with this topic over and over? If ZOS doesn't want Nightblades to be competitive then there's nothing we can do about it.

Hey m8 I just want us to be heard nb all I enjoy and all I will ever play.

Deathlord92 · January 2020

Kittytravel wrote: »

It'd probably be more constructive to give actual suggestions to what abilities you think need buffed including morphs to be honest.

Personally on the PVE side I'd like to see Grim Focus turned into a 4 stack instead of 5 to make it feel more fluid as right now at 5 autos it feels draggy and clunky while weaving.
I'd also like to see Mark grant extra damage dealt to the marked target; this shouldn't be an issue in PvP either because it makes the NBs target rather telegraphed and you know you are getting targeted for burst.
And on a solo note make Drain Power and all morphs have a 40 second duration VS 20 second to make up for them having to actually hit something with it to even gain the buff to begin with; this wouldn't matter in most group play scenarios as Dragonknights provide the AoE version on demand at 20 seconds to your entire group, and even Werewolves (as bad as they might be right now) get an on-demand 30 second version. Surely there should be a bonus to NBs not getting an on-demand Major Brutality buff while Dragonknight saunters around with a full group version.

Of course none of the above will "fix" nightblades but it would atleast be a step forward where so far we haven't seen much. The next chapter may bring us better news though.

I actually love your idea with mark it’s a good one 👍

Deathlord92 · January 2020

I pray to sithis every day that nb will one day be good again lol 😂

Vyvrhel · January 2020

ccfeeling wrote: »

ZOS really need to pay much more to hire some professional staffs , don't expect everything from PTS .

Don't be so harsh, it is almost impossible to "balance" a class based system, namely if the same skill set should work well in PVE and PVP alike. Do you have any idea who is the perfect professional who would do the job? Do you know a MMO with perfectly balanced class based combat system?

Nyladreas · January 2020

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

Listen I get it, Nightblades are terrible, and everyone knows it. But do we really need to spam the PTS with this topic over and over? If ZOS doesn't want Nightblades to be competitive then there's nothing we can do about it.

Yes we do, cause we're sick of parking our mains into the daily crafter zone. 😑

Deathlord92 · January 2020

I would be happy if they just reverted all the changes this would be amazing for my stamblade. If I remember right magblade was never in a particular good spot so magblade would definitely deserve some attention if they did this.

Vyvrhel · January 2020

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I would be happy if they just reverted all the changes this would be amazing for my stamblade. If I remember right magblade was never in a particular good spot so magblade would definitely deserve some attention if they did this.

What worries me ZOS did nothing like that in Update 25. I expected they will do something, one little improvement in one skill maybe. But nothing. I understand it is not easy, and I understand they are afraid, but how long will we wait?
They should at least improve some defensive skill. The cloak maybe. Or some passive. Something.

1mirg · January 2020

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I would be happy if they just reverted all the changes this would be amazing for my stamblade. If I remember right magblade was never in a particular good spot so magblade would definitely deserve some attention if they did this.

Played a Magblade on and off since day one and I can confirm that they've been in a bad spot from the get go, Stamblade get all the attention and focus while Magblade is generally ignored. Plus it also doesn't help that a good portion of our class skill morphs have better Stamina Morphs then Magicka ones, let alone with most of our class skills having a melee focus. it's like the developers expect all nightblades to play a stamina character.

thadjarvis · January 2020

IMHO
StamNB could use the most focus, Healer is great fun but may need a little TLC in effectiveness

MagNB and TankNB are quite popular MagNB may not feel effective but it still seems to be choosen over other classes by players significantly (MagNB PvP maybe not).

The cast time on Death Stroke pretty much kills my desire to use NB DD in any context from a gameplay perspective. Lack of cleave without gaining relatively higher ST damage gives me little reason to pick one up in PvE.

I played NB PvE healer for couple months mostly in Scalecaller: really really fun, but just wasn't sure about effectiveness. I found cast time delay on an emergency healing ultimate plain dumb. Great potential; a more experienced NB healer can probably note specifics about changes.

NB PvE tank is probably best off and oddly captures that high risk feel of NB concept quite well (keeping up Lotus). With potion cooldown glyphs, Ulti gen can be beat out most classes. Though again the Soul Siphon cast time is annoying.

Semi-objective and may not be accurate:
I run into tons of MagNB's in Cyro, but StamNB seem rare. Curious what others see.

Objectively PvE dd-wise:
Magblade among mags is still a top choice for HM trials (except CR)
Stamblades similarly is still choosen over all but stamplar/stamcro.
(Subjective) Though it is likely that’s left over from the past as it seems stamNB players are consistently switching to other classes and fewer new stamnb players pop up.

Iskiab · January 2020

thadjarvis wrote: »

IMHO
StamNB could use the most focus, Healer is great fun but needs a little TLC in effectiveness
MagNB and TankNB are quite popular MagNB may not feel effective but it still seems to be choosen over other classes by players significantly (MagNB PvP maybe not).
The cast time on Death Stroke pretty much kills my desire to use NB DD in any context from a gameplay perspective. Lack of cleave without gaining relatively higher ST damage gives me little reason to pick one up in PvE.

I played NB PvE healer for couple months mostly in Scalecaller: really really fun, but just wasn't sure about effectiveness. I found cast time delay on an emergency healing ultimate plain dumb. Great potential; a more experienced NB healer can probably note specifics about changes.

NB PvE tank is probably best off and oddly captures that high risk feel of NB concept quite well (keeping up Lotus). With potion cooldown glyphs, Ulti gen can be beat out most classes. Though again the Soul Siphon cast time is annoying.

Semi-objective and may not be accurate:
I run into tons of MagNB's in Cyro, but StamNB seem rare. Curious what others see.

Objectively PvE dd-wise:
Magblade among mags is still a top choice for HM trials (except CR)
Stamblades is towards the bottom within stam likely needing the most help

Magblade healers have fluctuated a lot. It went from great when it was easy to be tanky in light (pre-pirate smelly and protective nerf), to okay, to bad (cast time on healing ult could no longer be block cast).

They also changed resto staff and made class abilities stronger than resto staff abilities for healing which killed off meta healing.

In PvE healing I haven’t noticed much change. I just level undaunted on an alt using MA + Mother’s Sorrow + Iceheart with Resto Ult spam and it was fine.

Anyron · January 2020

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

Nyladreas · January 2020

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

Actually we just want nightblade to be competitive, it doesn't have to go back to 1shot ganking at all. I for one would absolutely LOVE to be a fully capable brawler. As it stands now though it's impossible.

Also, just FYI, there are insane glass cannon builds that can still 1shot effectively even a tank. It's garbage for anything else but ganking though.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2020

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

I dont think that is the case. People here (on forums) tend to, let's just say not to "update" with current game balance & meta. They tend to by stuck in the past. Some of them even claim that NB is OP...

No one wants to over buff NB here. Not even NB mains. But even non NB mains that know the game and are at least decent players - all of them will tell you that NB is in really bad spot right now. Imho worse than necro. Some will even tell you that NB is probably worst class overall, currently on live. And surprisingly (I know it is weird to say) but I think that mag nb is kinda in a better spot than stam nb (although not by a lot).

Just go and watch any ESO content creator. Alcast, Isth3reno1else, Kristofer ESO, Hack The Minotaur, NefasQS, t3hasiangod, ll El Lobo ll, Sherman's Gaming and probably a bunch more that I have not mentioned.
All of them, whatever PvP or PvE players, Hardcore or Casual, NB main or not - will tell you basically that NB needs some love.

Deathlord92 · January 2020

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

I only play nb and I’m honestly telling you right now that I don’t want nb over buff that’s unhealthy for the game but surely you can admit nb needs some buffs. I’m coming at nb buffs from a competitive pvp point.

Anyron · January 2020

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

I dont think that is the case. People here (on forums) tend to, let's just say not to "update" with current game balance & meta. They tend to by stuck in the past. Some of them even claim that NB is OP...

No one wants to over buff NB here. Not even NB mains. But even non NB mains that know the game and are at least decent players - all of them will tell you that NB is in really bad spot right now. Imho worse than necro. Some will even tell you that NB is probably worst class overall, currently on live. And surprisingly (I know it is weird to say) but I think that mag nb is kinda in a better spot than stam nb (although not by a lot).

Just go and watch any ESO content creator. Alcast, Isth3reno1else, Kristofer ESO, Hack The Minotaur, NefasQS, t3hasiangod, ll El Lobo ll, Sherman's Gaming and probably a bunch more that I have not mentioned.
All of them, whatever PvP or PvE players, Hardcore or Casual, NB main or not - will tell you basically that NB needs some love.

I don't want to catch you by words ( i am not sure if thats right, its probably wrong translation) but you said NB is in worse spot than Necro.

But that doesn't explain why there is much more ( and really it is much more) Nbs than necros in Cyrodiil

Sure, nightblade is only shadow of what it was. I agree.

But that nightblade from past was OP as ****.

Xvorg · January 2020

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

There are a lot of counters to avoid that. If you see a NB cloaking you must know that one or 2 secs later they will be next to you. It is stupid to stay there in such situation and the NB combo is so predictble that pressing W twice ruins it

Seriously, pressing W twice is the easiest counter to invis. Even more if you learn to recognize the sound cues. And what's even better, after the NB failed casting his combo, you have at least 8 secs to wreck them.

Anyron · January 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Good old times when nightblade was able to wreck anyone with 3 timed skills.

Right?

You want your opponent defenceless. You wanna gank him without giving them chance to save his life.

Invisibility -> kill -> invisibility. No risk high reward.

You can thank for this tank meta to your belowed gankers. Before stamblade change(the first one) there wasn't need for it. You changed it. Nobody wants to die.

Actually we just want nightblade to be competitive, it doesn't have to go back to 1shot ganking at all. I for one would absolutely LOVE to be a fully capable brawler. As it stands now though it's impossible.

Also, just FYI, there are insane glass cannon builds that can still 1shot effectively even a tank. It's garbage for anything else but ganking though.

As long as there is cloak in your skill tree it will always be like this.

It is either stupidly OP or stupidly useless. But somethIng that makes you invisible, whats giving you 100% CRT chance and also procs major buffs for armor only makes Nbs to go full damage gank build.

You will always suffer because of this

FrankonPC · January 2020

Anyron wrote: »

I don't want to catch you by words ( i am not sure if thats right, its probably wrong translation) but you said NB is in worse spot than Necro.

But that doesn't explain why there is much more ( and really it is much more) Nbs than necros in Cyrodiil

Sure, nightblade is only shadow of what it was. I agree.

But that nightblade from past was OP as ****.

I have years(and 4 stars) on a stamina nightblade.

I have less than a year on a stamina necromancer. Currently I can kill people much more easily on a stamina necromancer than a stamblade, even with the huge skill gap I have between each class.

Nightblade is lacking in the lined up burst department. Nobody is asking for it to be what it was 2 years ago(well, most aren't). It would be nice for it to have the killing power of other classes though.

Strider__Roshin · January 2020

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

Listen I get it, Nightblades are terrible, and everyone knows it. But do we really need to spam the PTS with this topic over and over? If ZOS doesn't want Nightblades to be competitive then there's nothing we can do about it.

Hey m8 I just want us to be heard nb all I enjoy and all I will ever play.

I hear you buddy (I'm a stamblade main), but if we're going to be adding additional threads discussing the state the Nightblade is in then we need to be adding new suggestions to justify it otherwise we're just whining. If you have suggestions I'd love to hear them. Maybe you'll give ZOS some ideas.

Edziu · January 2020

Kittytravel wrote: »

It'd probably be more constructive to give actual suggestions to what abilities you think need buffed including morphs to be honest.

Im not sure about this
at allk ZOS barely if ever listen to this when player write specific skills as how could could be changed for better
instead when ZOS see idea for this specific skill...then the only what they see is skill name to know about which skill is talk and then they fully gut or overbuff this skill, they barely look at feedback about it...or even if they do, they dont care as there is no more space than ZOS ego as "they dont need anyone to design, to help them with ideas how to design something, if someone will post something about it...then they looka t it to not do it this was as it was not their idea"...I have seen enough as how ZOS works with it