What's this new wave of msorcs asking for a class spammable?

Xvorg wrote: »

What's this new wave of msorcs asking for a class spammable?

Wave? Its the just the same person posting ideas in separate threads as far as I can tell.

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

I’m not a new player. Ive been a mag sorc main for over 3 years. Stam DK before that

And you think a spammable for msorcs is something this game needs more than fixing what they have done to NBs and DKs?

Msorc is one of the best classes in the game. It has always been that. The class achieve its position without having a class spammable. It is a very well rounded class and it should be the current gold standard for balancing ranged and magicka classes (with stamplar being the gold standard for melee and stamina classes)

Anyway, the standard spammable which msorc has access are more than good, and even surpass class spammables like strife, racer or even concealed weapon. On top of that, both (elemental weapon and force shock) allow you to use some quite interesting passives that, otherwise, you won't be able to use if you get the sorc spammable (the temptation to fill all slots with sorc skills for the extra spell dmg is quite high).

And, if you still don't get that, then let me explain how ZoS balance things. If as a sorc you get a spammable, then ZoS will take away something from you. And not just a thing you don't use. Just look at NBs, they have 2 spammable. To keep them ZoS has nerfed the heck out of them.

Adding a class spammable for sorc will create more problems than solutions for the class. Imho msorc is close to be perfect as class. It needs some tweaks and not a radical change as adding a class spammable. I prefer 1000 times ZoS gives back frags stun or at least make it off balance on hit rather than a spammable.

The only thing mSorc is the gold standard for these days is zerging.


It's a shame, because in the past it used to be the other way around where instead of streaking SnB permablocking matriarch heal spamming Xv1 heroes you had respectable players going about 1v1'ing and 1vX'ing with the class.

Somewhere, at some point something went seriously wrong with mag sorc and needs to be fixed.


Not sure if giving them a spammable is the way to go about it though. How do you make something that excels in Xv1 better in 1v1s & 1vX without just making the zerging part worse?

One way to go about it would be condensing the skills & freeing up bar space that way, e.g. making matriarch weaker, but only require one skill slot, and/or attaching Major Breach to one of the skills - Fury for example - so Ele Drain isn't a must slot etc, and then tuning down the broken zerg aspects of the class.

Having Streak/BoL consume a % of max magicka rather than a flat amount (and then get the stacking cost modifier) would be a good way of curbing down the cowardly way many play the class without unnecessarily hurting stam sorcs.

I’m fine with the options we have: Ele Weapon or Crushing Shock for single target. Force Pulse for cleave, and Shock Ring or Shock Clench for full AoE. Scalding Rune can also be used as a semi-spammable if used against a stationary target and never twice in a row.

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

This is not a balance skills and classes post or pve vs pvp or how bad “x” class was nerfed post. Weapon skill lines are supposed to be there for choice. It’s a must for Sorc class. I’m not saying they are weak or strong. I had a fun idea for a skill change that could be interesting for my favorite class. I’m not asking ZoS to rework anything. I had an idea and I wanted to know what you think about it. BTW destro skill line was changed so you don’t have to have a skill slotted to use the skill line passives, just have a destro staff slotted. They don’t have to have a class spammable, but the choice would be nice to have. Yes I actually posted this 4 times I believe, along with another mages wrath spammable idea as well. This was meant to be fun, it was not meant to call the forum warriors to arms. I think people need to offer more suggestions themselves instead of attacking the people that bring options to the table

People are just trying to tell you it's not in the cards. While it may be interesting to talk about, it won't happen for sorcs anytime soon, at least not in the current context of the game. What the Mag Sorc lacks in a class spammable, they get in spades for everything else, that's how they were designed and that's how they'll stay because that's how ZOS views the class.

It's the same reason DK doesn't have an execute.

ZOS wants classes to use abilities outside their class to fill the gaps of what they're missing. This is intentional. The issue comes when a class like Stam Sorc and Stam DK use over 50% of their active abilities outside their class. Thus why we've seen a spammable added for Stam DK and a delayed burst skill added for Stam Sorc. They actually deserved them.

The only reason changes should ever be be made to Sorc... is in the interest of where it lacks for the other 3 roles. Stam, healer and tank.

Lastly, people are right. You're spamming the forums with your ideas, this doesn't even belong in the PTS section.

This would be absolutely broken as a spammable...

I do not dislike the idea of having a lightning spammable because it fits the sorcerer theme but the spammables sorc has are fine. There are bigger issues right now than things like this.

The should rather make the frag proc stun the enemy. Streak is not a suitable stun for a ranged class. Moreover the twighlight heal needs a nerf. Healing Ward should be buffed a little bit so it makes more sense to run a restro again. We should search for solutions to get rid of the tank meta and not search for new problems. If people had less than 30k health and would run something else than snb the game would already be more fun.