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Blizzard devs comment on class balance & animation cancelling
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »I am confused
If the article was written about Diablo 3 .....
who gives a carp?
Why is this an issue here, since I have not heard of any devs announcing that they are planning on changing AC ?
Why is this on ESO forums?
Because people are desperate and don’t want to put in any effort or practice to get better so they blame their failures on animation canceling. Even if it was changed then they would still be looking to change or nerf something else because they are just too lazy to learn game mechanics.
that's not why.
it's because that article shows that other mmo's have removed it...
Except it doesn't, because Diablo 3 isn't an MMO. It's in that nebulous space of Live Service titles, but it's not an MMO.
Further, most MMOs prevent animation canceling from being a serious consideration through things like global cooldowns and action queuing. ESO originally sold itself on the prospect of not having those, and not being another "hotbar combat MMO."...and claim its skill when zero skill is involved.
Ah, and here's your real gripe. It's not about animation canceling, it's that your reaction time isn't good enough to go into PvP. PvP requires quite a bit of skill. However, it's not the skills you've been honing, so you think, "oh, there's no skill to this, I'll just flail wildly and die, but it's not my fault, because there's no skill involved."
In ESO, PvP is dependent on knowing your burst, situational awareness, and being able to predict how the other players will react. By the time the first attack goes out, the fight has been (mostly) decided. You have about enough time to engage, or try to break. This is unusual for MMO combat, and if you're going in thinking, "oh, I'll decide what to do in the moment," it's already too late.
A slower PvP tempo would be ponderous. It would not be more skill based, it would only test a different set of skills.4 -
Unseelie✭✭✭✭Contaminate wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Well even if it was intended or not at the beginning doesn't matter but Zenimax decided to make it a feature. Likely do to the coding and maybe because they didn't see the harm.
This is starting to look like the story of ESO. All the :facepalm: things that have happened -- "we didn't see the harm" <.<
Like the Legion Zero "alliance" flags?
That is a nonissue to the max
Animation Canceling exists due to an action priority system, and functions as a potential dps boost because there aren’t cast times, and guess what:
The playerbase as a whole don’t want cast times on abilities
I think "as a whole" is stepping out of bounds a bit. Many do not care, others may actually like not everything being spammable.3 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »I am confused
If the article was written about Diablo 3 .....
who gives a carp?
Why is this an issue here, since I have not heard of any devs announcing that they are planning on changing AC ?
Why is this on ESO forums?
Because people are desperate and don’t want to put in any effort or practice to get better so they blame their failures on animation canceling. Even if it was changed then they would still be looking to change or nerf something else because they are just too lazy to learn game mechanics.
that's not why.
it's because that article shows that other mmo's have removed it and they removed it because it is a glitch and it was not intended.
we know how to animation cancel, we all do it even if we don't intend to it happens all the time, especially with light attack canceling.
light attack canceling is fine, that's not the problem.
the problem is we don't like using a glitch and quote the article "trick" to pvp, instead we prefer to see the animation take place realistically and have the ability to react to animations instead of tricks, glitch, twitching dependent to the point that you don't even see the fight happen, just watch people glitch out and claim its skill when zero skill is involved.
if they lowered the timer on the animations and made the animations much faster and block animation canceling it would then be actual skill to fight.
Other mmo’s have nothing to do with ESO so that’s a non issue, and calling it a glitch is just wrong especially since Zos does not consider it a glitch, cheat, or exploit.
Even if the skill is animation canceled you can still see a portion of it to know what’s going on so please stop spreading false information.
I will gladly buy you a copy of WOW if that’s the combat style you prefer, but please stop trying to change what the majority of Eso players have enjoyed for years.
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Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not5 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
Edited by Gilvoth on January 30, 2020 4:54AM1 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
Get 5 players that can A/C together on an dummy run a full kill of it with no A/C being used then do another with A/C being used and watch the lag begin thats all the proof you should need to understand that A/C hurts the game9 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard9 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
Get 5 players that can A/C together on an dummy run a full kill of it with no A/C being used then do another with A/C being used and watch the lag begin thats all the proof you should need to understand that A/C hurts the game
That has to do with all of the calculations happening with multiple people. Further in housing instances, you compound the issues with what the server has to calculate for the items in that instance. This is why there is a low limit to items in housing, because it causes stress on the server, which is also straight from the devs."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard5 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth"."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard3 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
Get 5 players that can A/C together on an dummy run a full kill of it with no A/C being used then do another with A/C being used and watch the lag begin thats all the proof you should need to understand that A/C hurts the game
That has to do with all of the calculations happening with multiple people. Further in housing instances, you compound the issues with what the server has to calculate for the items in that instance. This is why there is a low limit to items in housing, because it causes stress on the server, which is also straight from the devs.
You think they will at this point say oh hey we've found that A/C is the reason behind lag now that they added it as an skill after stating it was an bug that they themselves couldn't fix that really make them look like they know nothing of their own game so ya their going to place blame on everything other then the true issue reason game will never truly be fixed2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
Get 5 players that can A/C together on an dummy run a full kill of it with no A/C being used then do another with A/C being used and watch the lag begin thats all the proof you should need to understand that A/C hurts the game
That has to do with all of the calculations happening with multiple people. Further in housing instances, you compound the issues with what the server has to calculate for the items in that instance. This is why there is a low limit to items in housing, because it causes stress on the server, which is also straight from the devs.
You think they will at this point say oh hey we've found that A/C is the reason behind lag now that they added it as an skill after stating it was an bug that they themselves couldn't fix that really make them look like they know nothing of their own game so ya their going to place blame on everything other then the true issue reason game will never truly be fixed
Going to need a citation for that.2 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I’m all for removing animation cancelling IF all animations are sped up so that finish in 0.5 seconds and the GCD is reduced to 0.5 seconds.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth".
that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.0 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
Get 5 players that can A/C together on an dummy run a full kill of it with no A/C being used then do another with A/C being used and watch the lag begin thats all the proof you should need to understand that A/C hurts the game
That has to do with all of the calculations happening with multiple people. Further in housing instances, you compound the issues with what the server has to calculate for the items in that instance. This is why there is a low limit to items in housing, because it causes stress on the server, which is also straight from the devs.
You think they will at this point say oh hey we've found that A/C is the reason behind lag now that they added it as an skill after stating it was an bug that they themselves couldn't fix that really make them look like they know nothing of their own game so ya their going to place blame on everything other then the true issue reason game will never truly be fixed
Lol. Present something other than anecdotal evidence and a conspiracy theory that the housing item limit and player limit, and the documented problems players have in houses is a cover up for A/C then. It's conjecture.
Edit: forgot to add, why are lag and related issues not universal to the player base as well?Edited by Siohwenoeht on January 30, 2020 5:24AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard3 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
Get 5 players that can A/C together on an dummy run a full kill of it with no A/C being used then do another with A/C being used and watch the lag begin thats all the proof you should need to understand that A/C hurts the game
That has to do with all of the calculations happening with multiple people. Further in housing instances, you compound the issues with what the server has to calculate for the items in that instance. This is why there is a low limit to items in housing, because it causes stress on the server, which is also straight from the devs.
You think they will at this point say oh hey we've found that A/C is the reason behind lag now that they added it as an skill after stating it was an bug that they themselves couldn't fix that really make them look like they know nothing of their own game so ya their going to place blame on everything other then the true issue reason game will never truly be fixed
Going to need a citation for that.
you can look it up it HERE on the forums A/C WAS AND IS AN BUG THEY DIDN'T ATTEND TO HAVE IN ESO3 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth".
that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.
He said his statement was the truth. He believes that statement is authoritative. Contrary to all the available evidence."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
This is an authoratative statement:Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
It's also incorrect.
An opinion would be, "it's good/bad for the game because <reason>."
Here we have statements like, "...it was the first bug in ESO." That's not an opinion, and probably incorrect.person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling...
See, this is an opinion.and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
Again, citation needed. If you have proof, present it.but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says...
Alternately, the "proof" you're wanting to present doesn't actually prove anything.
We have documentation from ZOS about the sorce of lag. Animation canceling has caused issues on the design side, but that's not what we're talking about here.that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
If someone's digging out spreadsheets to prove you wrong, you can safely disregard their opinion. Their math has been shoddy since day one.we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.
And this statement is, actually, an opinion.5 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
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^ Best explanation of ESO PvP I've heard.starkerealm wrote: »In ESO, PvP is dependent on knowing your burst, situational awareness, and being able to predict how the other players will react. By the time the first attack goes out, the fight has been (mostly) decided. You have about enough time to engage, or try to break. This is unusual for MMO combat, and if you're going in thinking, "oh, I'll decide what to do in the moment," it's already too late.
PvE is mostly reactive.
PvP is mostly proactive.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.1 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth".
that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.
He said his statement was the truth. He believes that statement is authoritative. Contrary to all the available evidence.
I DONT SAY I KNOW A/C WAS NOT ATTEND WHY BECAUSE I READ ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE SPEAKING ON IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIMES1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth".
that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.
He said his statement was the truth. He believes that statement is authoritative. Contrary to all the available evidence.
I DONT SAY I KNOW A/C WAS NOT ATTEND WHY BECAUSE I READ ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE SPEAKING ON IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIMES
Edited by starkerealm on January 30, 2020 5:44AM8 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth".
that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.
He said his statement was the truth. He believes that statement is authoritative. Contrary to all the available evidence.
I DONT SAY I KNOW A/C WAS NOT ATTEND WHY BECAUSE I READ ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE SPEAKING ON IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIMES
I do, and have read all the available, actual reasons given from the devs regarding what can cause lag in certain situations. Maybe you should peruse their comments on the matter before you claim anything as "truth"."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard2 -
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✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Where's your proof that ani-cancel causes any other issue? The devs have flat out said server pop and backend calculations are the performance culprits. Neither of which have anything to do with animation cancelling.
that person was giving feedback.
there is zero reason to give "proof" of anything when we are just giving feedback.
we are allowed to have an opinion that is not the same as yours without being debated and insulted.
When you claim something authoritatively, without evidence, you should be prepared to be questioned. And please point to where I was insulting?
that did not happen.
that person gave feedback and his opinion, nothing more.
Nordic__Knights wrote: »
A/C was the 1st bug in ESO and one of many thats never been fixed main reason ESO has so many issues is due to this bug but since so many cry they'll stop playing or that it skill not exploiting ESO wont ever fix this bug nor the game itself due to it
And i can A/C my skills just fine just saying the truth about A/C like it or not
Fairly authoritative, claiming the previous was "truth".
that wasn't speaking with "Authority"
person was just giving an opinion, and the main opinion we are giving is that we don't like animation canceling and we know it does cause lagg and problems with the server, that person showed proof which we don't have to do.
but our proof will never be enough because there is a group on this forum that will constantly insult us and attempt to smear our reputation and allways says that we don't know how to animation cancel and constantly argue with any and all proof provided, even if videos and even spreadsheet calculations or any proofs provided.
we do not agree with animation canceling and that's all that we are saying.
He said his statement was the truth. He believes that statement is authoritative. Contrary to all the available evidence.
I DONT SAY I KNOW A/C WAS NOT ATTEND WHY BECAUSE I RSOMETIMES SOMETHING BEFORE SPEAKING ON IT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIMES
I do, and have read all the available, actual reasons given from the devs regarding what can cause lag in certain situations. Maybe you should peruse their comments on the matter before you claim anything as "truth".
Ya and they've said they was going to fix things that still aint fixed my belief in what they say just aint there due to that reason so they can say whatever they like dont make it true but anyone with any understanding should get an bug left unfixed is only going to spread throughout the rest of the system and this is the case with A/C being left unfixed its infecting other areas ie lag, bluescreen , health glitch , power creep yet to openly say so would make them look bad now that they've added an loadscreen saying its an skill when its actually an bug they couldn't fixEdited by Nordic__Knights on January 30, 2020 6:17AM2 -
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✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »mustangmorgan31 wrote: »Do people actually want A/C to not exist? For the love of god why?? The combat would be slow and atrocious. Why would anyone want that?
its a bug...i rather want to have it replaced by something intended, thought after and better...
Champagne was discovered by accident and it turned out to be a glorious accident that made the world better so they kept it, just like A/C
Penicillin was also discovered by accident. I guess that should't had happened and millions of people would be devoid of such useful medication that kills bacteria. According to the anti AC potatoes.3 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »mustangmorgan31 wrote: »Do people actually want A/C to not exist? For the love of god why?? The combat would be slow and atrocious. Why would anyone want that?
its a bug...i rather want to have it replaced by something intended, thought after and better...
Champagne was discovered by accident and it turned out to be a glorious accident that made the world better so they kept it, just like A/C
Penicillin was also discovered by accident. I guess that should't had happened and millions of people would be devoid of such useful medication that kills bacteria. According to the anti AC potatoes.
Medical items that helps people and A/C has nothing in common lmfao4 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »mustangmorgan31 wrote: »Do people actually want A/C to not exist? For the love of god why?? The combat would be slow and atrocious. Why would anyone want that?
its a bug...i rather want to have it replaced by something intended, thought after and better...
Champagne was discovered by accident and it turned out to be a glorious accident that made the world better so they kept it, just like A/C
Penicillin was also discovered by accident. I guess that should't had happened and millions of people would be devoid of such useful medication that kills bacteria. According to the anti AC potatoes.
Medical items that helps people and A/C has nothing in common lmfao
Same as A/C in Diablo 3 and ESO yet here we are.5 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Ani canceling is supposed to be for defensive reactions, not for DPS. The solution is simple: give it some significant negative side-effect to make it useless for DPS. A flat stam cost for each ani cancel, plus automatic purge of any DOT that gets cancelled would work perfectly. Then people would only use it for the intended purpose of defensive reaction and not 108k DPS and cheap ganks.
can you help me make one of those cheap ganks please?I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too0 -
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✭Thank God the class reps are all end gamers. If removing animation cancelling and weaving would ever come to the attention of the devs, the reps would prevent this from happening.
I wound advise all people who want it removed to actually spend 10 minutes a day practising your rotations or just light attack weaving a combo of a few skills so you develop muscle memory. This literally takes less time than fighting for this cause every week.PS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat9
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