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Varana wrote: »

phermitgb wrote: »

I've always been of the opinion that the very concept of animation cancelling is inherently breaking code. My logic goes something like this...
programmers created the animations for a REASON
under normal play, I hit a button or command, the results of that command goes hand in hand with the animation I watch on screen
the ability to bypass the visual animation part of the is bypassing one of the two fundamental features of code associated with using that action

The reason being "it looks nice".
In ESO, the animation is not an integral part of the skill. It's eye-candy. Just there for your visual enjoyment.

And the reasons you cite for Shadow of War are exactly the ones why AC was put into ESO. Intentionally.

"It looks nice" isn't necessarily the ONLY reason why animation cancelling was added. As stated in my first post, animation cancelling does serve a useful, even vital (literally - as in it can save your virtual life) purpose - however, that purpose isn't always (or even usually) the ability to do more damage. It's "usually" designed to - look pretty? probably - but it is also usually designed to allow the player to get out of a lengthy animation that unnecessarily exposes them to risk.

I honestly have no data on how many games include animation cancelling in order to facilitate doing more damage by animation cancelling one combat skill into another combat skill with an animation that you could then presumably cancel into another and another and so on. But I play a lot of video games, and honestly can't think of one that currently comes to mind where doing more damage by animation cancelling SEEMED like an intended purpose.

Like Shadow of War we both mentioned, AC absolutely had a reason to exist. I'm just not sure it was killing focused. "I" think it was created for a survival focus, and increasing your outgoing killyness was just a side effect. Now, whether it's possible for Shadow of War's exploitable AC to ruin the game is something I can't really test, because I almost never consciously animation cancel in any game, it just sorta happens, and I don't consciously plan to exploit it as a tactic ever, because I just don't generally think that way when playing video games (unlike exploiting pathing problems, which I exploit all the time, although sometimes I feel dirty doing it - sometimes it's HI-Larious)

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Royaji wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Hopefully they are thinking something along the lines of "WoW is a tab-target MMO with hard cooldowns and solutions which work for them are not applicable to our entirely different philosophy of fast paced action no-cooldowns combat".

This article is about diablo3 not wow.

Some players using animation cancelling can do so to help their seasonal leaderboards.

If you need to crutch on animation cancelling, youre bad! No way around it.

Please see my post just above yours.

And I've participated in AC threads so many times at this point that I have no interest in presenting the exact same arguments one more time. They are going to hit the same exact wall anyway.

My response is in relevance to the OP article which is about diablo3.

Regardless of anygame A/C is a crutch and in eso we dont need to give more advantages to certain classes and or builds i.e. Animational cancelling. Reliance on crutches= doodoo butter.

How is it a crutch when every class can do it?

Its an Advantage when in combat regardless of any class, same reason why ultimates were given cast times because animation cancelling was never the original intentions of the developers when E$OH was being developed.

I’m looking at ultimates and none of my Magicka or healing ultimates have cast times. Only the damaging ones frequently used by stamina classes.

Maybe the reasons are different than we think?

Gilvoth wrote: »

remove.
animation.
canceling.

Do not.
Remove.
Animation.
Cancelling.

Stebarnz wrote: »

No, the ZOS devs do not think like this as they know removing A/C would turn this game into a dead landscape of rp'ers and low dps potatoes.
If every class and everyone can A/C then balancing is the same as if no one can.

But when everyone's a Potato...no one will be.

Well the combat animation needs some work. The animation cancelling just makes the combat look bad. I have tried to get friends and co-workers to play but one look at the combat turns people off. Responses includes; animation unfinished, bugged, unpolished? Looks like a alpha game etc.

The animations are cancelled so quickly it looks like the characters are having some kind of fit, jitters. Just looks incredibly clunky and comical and hard to take seriously (when cancelled).

You almost wonder if there was a mod to remove the combat animations completely and just work off a cooldown. So they should either do that, or maybe rework the animations so they are quicker, smoother and transition better.

Followup: best example is watching combat parses on a dummy. I mean if you play ESO you likely don't think anything of it except the result or rotation. But others seeing this for the first time, comments about the combat animation are not kind lol.

Infixo wrote: »

It should be very simple. You start doing something (e.g. attack) and you knowingly and purposefully stop it. It is quite ok, allows for e.g. defensive actions, etc. BUT the first action didn’t finish, so there should be no effect of it at all. Simple. Effect of the action should be applied once it finishes.

You really don't want that. I know you think you do, but it would make the entire game feel laggy and unresponsive. You'd hit something with your sword, and half a second later the damage would be applied. It would not be a good experience.

Similarly, if you were aspiring to higher level play, it would be even worse. Light attacks cancel abilities, so if you tried to use an ability, and then tried to attack with your weapon, even if it was after you thought you'd finished the animation, you could easily completely negate the previous action.

Really, this would feel terrible.

Skwor wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

No, the ZOS devs do not think like this as they know removing A/C would turn this game into a dead landscape of rp'ers and low dps potatoes.
If every class and everyone can A/C then balancing is the same as if no one can.

Not accurate at all, the benefit to different classes is much greater to some than others, animation cancelling is not even across the board for classes and their skills.

It is a problem that should have been fixed along time ago. When this game first published it was acknowledged as a problem but the Devs were unable to solve it so instead it has been tolerated and now it has become a de-facto style of game-play.

Just stating random things with no back up or reasoning means nothing, 44% of all people know this!

Give me an example of which class benefits A/C and which doesn't and ill explain to you why you are wrong.

Sorc gets more benefit than a Temp, I never said a class does not benefit I said some benefit more than others, nice strawman you created there in the bolded part.

At least try to discuss in good faith instead of creating false arguments by intentionally mistating what was said.

Warden and Necromancer would be unplayable without animation canceling.

I don't mean that as hyperbole. Both classes were designed with full awareness of animation canceling. As a result, both have long animation cooldowns that you're expected to cancel.

Any attempt to remove animation canceling from the game would require a complete rework of the animations for those classes.

+ rework animations of warden and necro.

Problem solved yet again. :d

/script JumpToHouse("@Paramedicus")

Paramedicus wrote: »

+ rework animations of warden and necro.

Problem solved yet again. :d

Just leave Combat as it is and start accepting 5 years into the game that Animation cancelling is a Thing. Nonexistent Problem solved, there you go.

Well even if it was intended or not at the beginning doesn't matter but Zenimax decided to make it a feature. Likely do to the coding and maybe because they didn't see the harm. Unintended feature. Given they said they are not fixing the running on a horse while riding on a horse bug. They consider it that a feature as well or their own Easter egg. The fact is they have worked around and even made skills work better with animation canceling. Like the new classes from what I'm understanding. Zenimax isn't Blizzard they are two different companies. They have found ways to balance around the concept of animation canceling.
So what others might consider a bug or a exploit with animation canceling others consider a feature and I do think the devs themselves if they play the game have used it. So this argument about it should go away really doesn't have any merit if Zenimax calls it a feature its a feature. Even if it was at first unintended if they say its okay and maybe a cool feature of the game and thus they made it an officially endorsed feature of the game. Sometimes happy accidents do happen. That is what the Animation canceling is in Eso. Plus anyone might have accidentally done it if they did a light attack followed up by a skill ability. So even those against it might have animation canceled.

Another term for it could be Ability weaving. Weaving abilties and attacks together to cast them faster.

Paramedicus wrote: »

@Akisohida
Actually i wrote few posts about solution in similar topic.

Which may as well not exist for this discussion.

Paramedicus wrote: »

@Sanguinor2
Fact that after 5 years there is ongoing talk about it, means that there is a problem.
But sometimes you must accept that some problems can't be solved.

The issue here is that the devs have decided to embrace this as a design choice. At this point, you'd need to completely rip up a lot of content to change this. You're, basically, talking about a complete content redesign, and on a game that's coming up on six years old, with constant content additions, that's a very daunting task, and one that can't be implemented piecemeal.