Crystal Frags is kinda sorta the spammable. If you do your rotation enough it procs fairly often.

Absolutely not. Also nerf sorcs

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Bad players will always be bad unless they learn to play and develop better skill. This game is an oxymoron when it comes to its classes and players make it worse!

Sorcerer was designed initially with the intent as the ranged caster class with emphasis on >>>range<<<...

Im not reading your statement. And the players who voted yes on the poll are bad overland questers.

What does this have to do with being bad at the game? And whats wrong with having a range spammable like force pulse but unique to sorc? Not sure if you misunderstood the thread with pvp in mind because thats not what this is about.

mdb800 wrote: »

I see your point and you have an argument, but , there should be more work done on other spamables to see how they work with other classes first before doing something like this. Mages fury should have a more a diverse morph option than get more "magicka or aoe damage" though. I think one should cause minor vulnerability or minor maim instead of damage on cast, only providing the execute damage if their health is on execute range.

I play mag sorc and would not want to be steered towards a spamables. Really, there should be a rework on "spammables"

I definitely agree by making fury more useful at least since it's not even worth slotting rn

I would rather they just make the weapon spammables more impactful and fun to use. "Stamina" classes should be more reliant on weapons in general IMO.

they need to make frags go back to the way it was to make it worth it, if not yes we need a spammable, i mean ffs nbs have 3 with op bonus effects attatched to em so why cant the class called the sorcerer have something as basic as a spammable mag ability

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Rebirthment wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Every class has something missing. Sorc, THE spellcaster class, having to rely on a magic-imbued staff is very thematically fitting.

And they would still use a magic staff at least magsorcs will. Stamsorcs even now don't use staves because of game mechanics but thematically stamsorcs imo are are still sorcerers but those who fight in melee like your typical spellsword. Not all magic users use a staff you know.

Easy, players wanting spammables are usually the one crying for melee ranged abilties because they are bad at countering ranged fighters! Like i said before - bad players will always be bad. If you want spammables because player skill is lacking play a bumplar.

Stam sorcerer is a brawler no way around that.

Im not talking about skill but class identity. Im suggesting giving sorcs something that they lacked out of any other class and that is their own unique spammable. I also have no idea what you're going on about with Stamsorc when im not arguing about them not being a brawler class. Im giving them a spammable they can use to help give them some class identity they really need. The stam morph could turn it into a melee range spammable instead if that's what you're saying.

Normally I would agree, but Mag Sorc's have a ton of damage abilities and thats something to consider. I don't know if it's fair to the other classes and their toolkits. It's a huge rabbit hole you have to consider. What reason would Mag Sorcs have to use anything besides class skills. ZOS wants you to have about a 70/30 split between class and universal skills that cover what you miss. You can't say Sorcs don't have damage abilities in spades. In fact, they have so many, that Sorc has 2 playstyles, Pet and non Pet. How many classes can play their spec in 2 different ways like that, especially with such a strong and devided opinion amongst players who hate/love pets.

If Mag Sorc gets a spammable.. Mag DK gets an execute. Mag Templar gets a ranged spammable and a Major Brutality/Sorcery skill. The list goes on and on until every class is exactly the same because everyone wants what they're missing. The fact of the matter is, some classes have good class identity and some don't, Mag Sorcs are near the top of the totem pole in this regard and don't need much changed besides some lame passives.

In terms of damage abilities alone: 2 dots that are aoe/single target (pets), 1 dot/burst (curse), 1 burst (frags), 1 execute (mages fury), 1 aoe dot (lightning splash). All of these abilities have 2 magicka based morphs for a total of 12 magicka morphs. 5/6 ultimate morphs are Magicka based. Compare this to how Warden and Necro are designed, even some of the other base classes. So many morphs wasted and provide little differences.

I hate to rain on the Mag Sorc parade, thats really not my intention, I just don't see it in the cards because of everything else Sorc has. It seems like you'd have to sacrifice something to get a spammable. The pet/non pet divide could be the entire reason Sorc doesn't have a spammable.

If Sorc's get any changes going forward, it should be to buff the other 3/4 playstyles. Stam, Tank and Healers are severely misrepresented in the Sorc's toolkit.

ZOS designed Sorc's originally to be the "ranged spell caster" from inception and have done very little in 6 years to change that status quo.

DK is no longer for just tanking, Templar is no longer just for healing, NB is no longer just a single target DPS spec. In many ways, the original classes have evened out the other roles over the years. We saw some pretty big changes this year. I'd argue Sorc's are behind here.

The most notable changes were Power Surge to a healer morph, that ultimately buffed Mag Sorcs because Crit Surge is much more powerful in comparison. Bound Aegis having an active element for block mitigation which was released like 2+ years ago and only lasts 3 seconds for tanks, underwhelming and uninteresting. Stam Sorc's first new damage ability in 4+ years since hurricane, Bound Armaments which is a copy/paste of NB bow, but worse in practice. Clanfear finally scaling off of max stamina for tanks/stam dd, except the tooltip is so weak it doesn't really matter. Lastly Streak for dynamic scaling.

If we categorized all morphs into respective roles. Tank, Stam DD, Mag DD and Healer. I'm willing to bet the end result would show Sorc abilities and passives are mostly outweighed by the Mag DD role. I'd also be willing to bet there is more Mag DD morphs than any other class in the game. That should be a major problem for ZOS, but they seem to scared to step on anyones toes.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Crystal Frags is kinda sorta the spammable. If you do your rotation enough it procs fairly often.

Spoken like someone whom RNGesus really smiles upon.

Sometimes you get a burst of it proccing on every cast. OTOH, I have, on more than one occasion, counted sixteen casts on the same bar without it proccing. Of course, this being ZOS's RNG, with it's stupendous ability to form patterns, it's generally doing a lot of one or a lot of the other.

Also, to answer the question: If they continue to stripmine the identity out of the class, then yes, Sorcs should have a spammable. If they were to give us some of the class ability back, then no, it's fine the way it is.

Edit: quoted wrong post.

sorc's are a aoe/time delay build they are fine a is

they do have a spammable

streak

or you could get better at playing your sorc