logarifmik wrote: »Pardon my language, but this reversed vampirism mechanic they want to implement in terms of TES sounds like a complete ***, which either requires a really good explanation or must be discarded. For now it's quite clear from the lore, that vampirism is a form of daedric curse, a sick joke of Molag Bal himself, which forces vampires to feed on those who they was before in order to keep themselves sane. It's a brilliant non-conventional fantasy trope, really, and personally I'd like to see it as a part of the ESO.
And I like OP idea. Beasts shouldn't walk among common folk without being noticed and punished for whom they are. Maybe devs even should introduce a new stage, when a hungry vampire forcibly take this new vampire lord form and should feed to become a humanoid again. Also, some sort of cosmetic disguise for bloodsuckers would be a nice touch too.
Thevampirenight wrote: »In Skyrim vanilla Vampirism got you attacked on sight at stage four it was bad enough I think they canned that throw it into the trash and added a loadscreen saying they are not nearly as feared or hated as the werewolf is. Plus all those that want to be stage four because of game reasons like pvp would be so not happy about such a thing possibly disliking it even more then this new change zenimax is doing if the guards attacked them on sight. I doubt Zenimax will do it. So they are going this route instead. I don't see it lore breaking or anything just adding onto existing vampire lore since there is so many strains of vampire not all of them work the same way as Skyrim or Oblivion vampires.
Here is the dawnguard loadscreen text.
(DG) As a vampire, people may comment on your unusual appearance, but they don't ever attack you or shun you like they do the werewolf.
logarifmik wrote: »Pardon my language, but this reversed vampirism mechanic they want to implement in terms of TES sounds like a complete ***, which either requires a really good explanation or must be discarded. For now it's quite clear from the lore, that vampirism is a form of daedric curse, a sick joke of Molag Bal himself, which forces vampires to feed on those who they was before in order to keep themselves sane. It's a brilliant non-conventional fantasy trope, really, and personally I'd like to see it as a part of the ESO.
And I like OP idea. Beasts shouldn't walk among common folk without being noticed and punished for whom they are. Maybe devs even should introduce a new stage, when a hungry vampire forcibly take this new vampire lord form and should feed to become a humanoid again. Also, some sort of cosmetic disguise for bloodsuckers would be a nice touch too.
logarifmik wrote: »Pardon my language, but this reversed vampirism mechanic they want to implement in terms of TES sounds like a complete ***, which either requires a really good explanation or must be discarded. For now it's quite clear from the lore, that vampirism is a form of daedric curse, a sick joke of Molag Bal himself, which forces vampires to feed on those who they was before in order to keep themselves sane. It's a brilliant non-conventional fantasy trope, really, and personally I'd like to see it as a part of the ESO.
And I like OP idea. Beasts shouldn't walk among common folk without being noticed and punished for whom they are. Maybe devs even should introduce a new stage, when a hungry vampire forcibly take this new vampire lord form and should feed to become a humanoid again. Also, some sort of cosmetic disguise for bloodsuckers would be a nice touch too.
Man, Im sorry to tell you but they aren't going to discard their idea because some lore-nerds on the forums dislike it when the majority of people are all down for it.
Sorry, but I think I'll take the guy's opinion who gets paid to know lore and create lore-friendly things for the game over some randos on the forum that think they apparently know better.
Dude, I'd like to see some proofs of this majority you are constantly talking about. Did you made a survey or something? Where are the statistics? None? Well...logarifmik wrote: »Pardon my language, but this reversed vampirism mechanic they want to implement in terms of TES sounds like a complete ***, which either requires a really good explanation or must be discarded. For now it's quite clear from the lore, that vampirism is a form of daedric curse, a sick joke of Molag Bal himself, which forces vampires to feed on those who they was before in order to keep themselves sane. It's a brilliant non-conventional fantasy trope, really, and personally I'd like to see it as a part of the ESO.
And I like OP idea. Beasts shouldn't walk among common folk without being noticed and punished for whom they are. Maybe devs even should introduce a new stage, when a hungry vampire forcibly take this new vampire lord form and should feed to become a humanoid again. Also, some sort of cosmetic disguise for bloodsuckers would be a nice touch too.
Man, Im sorry to tell you but they aren't going to discard their idea because some lore-nerds on the forums dislike it when the majority of people are all down for it.
Sorry, but I think I'll take the guy's opinion who gets paid to know lore and create lore-friendly things for the game over some randos on the forum that think they apparently know better.
Could be, but so far loremaster said nothing on this regard. Interesting speculation, though. Thank you.Thevampirenight wrote: »logarifmik wrote: »Pardon my language, but this reversed vampirism mechanic they want to implement in terms of TES sounds like a complete ***, which either requires a really good explanation or must be discarded. For now it's quite clear from the lore, that vampirism is a form of daedric curse, a sick joke of Molag Bal himself, which forces vampires to feed on those who they was before in order to keep themselves sane. It's a brilliant non-conventional fantasy trope, really, and personally I'd like to see it as a part of the ESO.
And I like OP idea. Beasts shouldn't walk among common folk without being noticed and punished for whom they are. Maybe devs even should introduce a new stage, when a hungry vampire forcibly take this new vampire lord form and should feed to become a humanoid again. Also, some sort of cosmetic disguise for bloodsuckers would be a nice touch too.
The games strain that were given comes from Lamae the First vampire who has you basically desecrate a shrine of Molag Bal Destroy it and desecrate a shrine of Arkay and destroy it. Her goal is to turn that sick joke into something that can beat him and destory him. So I would say Lamae technically succeeded if you defeated him as a vampire because that sick joke ended up really biting him in the butt so to speak. So the Joke ends up back on him basically. Which is totally a form of ironic justice if the vestige became a vampire just to use it against Molag Bal himself and show how they really really despise him.
Given Lamae gets more powerful with each member of her bloodline according to the one npc. She could potentially alter it to work the other way around. Because of that connection to her children that makes her herself stronger. So its a two way thing basically if you want to think of it that way. Its Lamae's whims not Molags that Define the blood line we are given. That is why we are able to use it against him.
logarifmik wrote: »Dude, I'd like to see some proofs of this majority you are constantly talking about. Did you made a survey or something? Where are the statistics? None? Well...logarifmik wrote: »Pardon my language, but this reversed vampirism mechanic they want to implement in terms of TES sounds like a complete ***, which either requires a really good explanation or must be discarded. For now it's quite clear from the lore, that vampirism is a form of daedric curse, a sick joke of Molag Bal himself, which forces vampires to feed on those who they was before in order to keep themselves sane. It's a brilliant non-conventional fantasy trope, really, and personally I'd like to see it as a part of the ESO.
And I like OP idea. Beasts shouldn't walk among common folk without being noticed and punished for whom they are. Maybe devs even should introduce a new stage, when a hungry vampire forcibly take this new vampire lord form and should feed to become a humanoid again. Also, some sort of cosmetic disguise for bloodsuckers would be a nice touch too.
Man, Im sorry to tell you but they aren't going to discard their idea because some lore-nerds on the forums dislike it when the majority of people are all down for it.
Sorry, but I think I'll take the guy's opinion who gets paid to know lore and create lore-friendly things for the game over some randos on the forum that think they apparently know better.
Besides, majority decides nothing, only master do, as you yourself said. Loremaster in our case. Have you ever played pen and paper RPGs of any kind? Same thing. Majority opinion is irrelevant, but previously established rules are not.
If loremaster wants to introduce something opposite to what was previously established, we, so-called lore-nerds, want to see official in-deep explanation why it should be this way from the point of lore.
That's not some kind of conservative whining, but a request for self-consistent story. That's all.
Thevampirenight wrote: »She could potentially alter it to work the other way around. Because of that connection to her children that makes her herself stronger. So its a two way thing basically if you want to think of it that way. Its Lamae's whims not Molags that Define the blood line we are given. That is why we are able to use it against him.
Thevampirenight wrote: »She could potentially alter it to work the other way around. Because of that connection to her children that makes her herself stronger. So its a two way thing basically if you want to think of it that way. Its Lamae's whims not Molags that Define the blood line we are given. That is why we are able to use it against him.
You don't know this, nor do anyone else.
The say that her children makes her stronger, are far more likely to come from the influence itself, rather than an actual marginal increase in her power, but her broods.
I also disagree with your assessment that Lamae can choose and design her bloodline as she sees it fitting, since then she wouldn't even have vampirism become vampirism, for she hates the very affliction that Molag Bal cursed her with, the one that made Arkay abandon her.
I find it to be far more likely that she is doing precisely what she is doing, in order to fuel her own vengeful plot towards both Molag Bal and Arkay, to gain any remote sense of justice for the actions that were forced upon her.
The addition of the Vampire Lord only further supports this, for why would Lamae Bal allow her children to become the very monstrous visage of Molag Bal himself. It doesn't make sense for her character to allow this, if she could design her bloodline as she wished it.
Plus, in the end, every vampire upon death is condemned to Coldharbour, and belongs to Molag Bal. Lamae isn't delusional, she knows this, so she wants herself and her brood to stay alive to spite that very idea. By all accounts of lore we have, there is no support to the claim that Molag Bal doesn't have a finger in play, nor the ultimate designer of the vampiric diseases.
Come on, he is a Daedric Prince, the very inventor of Vampirism in Elder Scrolls.
Thevampirenight wrote: »She could potentially alter it to work the other way around. Because of that connection to her children that makes her herself stronger. So its a two way thing basically if you want to think of it that way. Its Lamae's whims not Molags that Define the blood line we are given. That is why we are able to use it against him.
You don't know this, nor do anyone else.
The say that her children makes her stronger, are far more likely to come from the influence itself, rather than an actual marginal increase in her power, but her broods.
I also disagree with your assessment that Lamae can choose and design her bloodline as she sees it fitting, since then she wouldn't even have vampirism become vampirism, for she hates the very affliction that Molag Bal cursed her with, the one that made Arkay abandon her.
I find it to be far more likely that she is doing precisely what she is doing, in order to fuel her own vengeful plot towards both Molag Bal and Arkay, to gain any remote sense of justice for the actions that were forced upon her.
The addition of the Vampire Lord only further supports this, for why would Lamae Bal allow her children to become the very monstrous visage of Molag Bal himself. It doesn't make sense for her character to allow this, if she could design her bloodline as she wished it.
Plus, in the end, every vampire upon death is condemned to Coldharbour, and belongs to Molag Bal. Lamae isn't delusional, she knows this, so she wants herself and her brood to stay alive to spite that very idea. By all accounts of lore we have, there is no support to the claim that Molag Bal doesn't have a finger in play, nor the ultimate designer of the vampiric diseases.
Come on, he is a Daedric Prince, the very inventor of Vampirism in Elder Scrolls.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »She could potentially alter it to work the other way around. Because of that connection to her children that makes her herself stronger. So its a two way thing basically if you want to think of it that way. Its Lamae's whims not Molags that Define the blood line we are given. That is why we are able to use it against him.
You don't know this, nor do anyone else.
The say that her children makes her stronger, are far more likely to come from the influence itself, rather than an actual marginal increase in her power, but her broods.
I also disagree with your assessment that Lamae can choose and design her bloodline as she sees it fitting, since then she wouldn't even have vampirism become vampirism, for she hates the very affliction that Molag Bal cursed her with, the one that made Arkay abandon her.
I find it to be far more likely that she is doing precisely what she is doing, in order to fuel her own vengeful plot towards both Molag Bal and Arkay, to gain any remote sense of justice for the actions that were forced upon her.
The addition of the Vampire Lord only further supports this, for why would Lamae Bal allow her children to become the very monstrous visage of Molag Bal himself. It doesn't make sense for her character to allow this, if she could design her bloodline as she wished it.
Plus, in the end, every vampire upon death is condemned to Coldharbour, and belongs to Molag Bal. Lamae isn't delusional, she knows this, so she wants herself and her brood to stay alive to spite that very idea. By all accounts of lore we have, there is no support to the claim that Molag Bal doesn't have a finger in play, nor the ultimate designer of the vampiric diseases.
Come on, he is a Daedric Prince, the very inventor of Vampirism in Elder Scrolls.
They also claimed to be redoing the Vampire quest, it may not even involve Lamae Bal anymore
We may be becoming Volkihar Vampires instead of whatever her clan was.
Thevampirenight wrote: »
Well Molag Bal can be easily countered because of the sphere of his arch rival. Hircine's Hunting thing is far harder to beat....
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Also Molag Bal couldn't stop you from attacking him as a vampire and destroying him. Which I think Hircine would be able to do with the wolf sprite Soul Parasite thing attached to them as otherwise I doubt the werewolf lord could have been able to force other lycanthropes under her control since she did basically have the blood of Hircine which allowed her to control that aspect of their souls....
Just because Hircine is able to take werewolf souls does not mean Molag Bal can take vampire souls. As clearly Hircine has created a mechanism to do it with and that is the wolf spirit. Without it Hircine couldn't take their souls unless they willingly went to his realm upon death. Hes created the perfect means of collecting souls. Just because its a thing with Hircine does not make it a thing with Molag Bal who likely is jealous of it.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
They also claimed to be redoing the Vampire quest, it may not even involve Lamae Bal anymore
We may be becoming Volkihar Vampires instead of whatever her clan was.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »She could potentially alter it to work the other way around. Because of that connection to her children that makes her herself stronger. So its a two way thing basically if you want to think of it that way. Its Lamae's whims not Molags that Define the blood line we are given. That is why we are able to use it against him.
You don't know this, nor do anyone else.
The say that her children makes her stronger, are far more likely to come from the influence itself, rather than an actual marginal increase in her power, but her broods.
I also disagree with your assessment that Lamae can choose and design her bloodline as she sees it fitting, since then she wouldn't even have vampirism become vampirism, for she hates the very affliction that Molag Bal cursed her with, the one that made Arkay abandon her.
I find it to be far more likely that she is doing precisely what she is doing, in order to fuel her own vengeful plot towards both Molag Bal and Arkay, to gain any remote sense of justice for the actions that were forced upon her.
The addition of the Vampire Lord only further supports this, for why would Lamae Bal allow her children to become the very monstrous visage of Molag Bal himself. It doesn't make sense for her character to allow this, if she could design her bloodline as she wished it.
Plus, in the end, every vampire upon death is condemned to Coldharbour, and belongs to Molag Bal. Lamae isn't delusional, she knows this, so she wants herself and her brood to stay alive to spite that very idea. By all accounts of lore we have, there is no support to the claim that Molag Bal doesn't have a finger in play, nor the ultimate designer of the vampiric diseases.
Come on, he is a Daedric Prince, the very inventor of Vampirism in Elder Scrolls.
They also claimed to be redoing the Vampire quest, it may not even involve Lamae Bal anymore
We may be becoming Volkihar Vampires instead of whatever her clan was.
While we are at it. Can Vampires have claws (for non Khajiit and Argonian races) and fangs please?
https://imgur.com/a/vDQ93ae
While we are at it. Can Vampires have claws (for non Khajiit and Argonian races) and fangs please?
https://imgur.com/a/vDQ93ae
Yes please!
I think the claws will actually be used in the one of the new feeding animation. At least that's what it sounded like when they talked about it during the reveal. The fangs and claws could also have different degrees of visibility depending on the stage, but that might be too much to ask. Unfortunately the latest statement was that they are not changing anything about the vampire's appearance, which is a shame, because we can do better.
And to stay on topic, if your body changes when you progress through the stages, it makes more sense to adapt towards being able to draw blood more easily the longer you've gone without blood than it does to have your body revert back to more human features, which makes drawing blood only harder for yourself.
While we are at it. Can Vampires have claws (for non Khajiit and Argonian races) and fangs please?
https://imgur.com/a/vDQ93ae
Yes please!
I think the claws will actually be used in the one of the new feeding animation. At least that's what it sounded like when they talked about it during the reveal. The fangs and claws could also have different degrees of visibility depending on the stage, but that might be too much to ask. Unfortunately the latest statement was that they are not changing anything about the vampire's appearance, which is a shame, because we can do better.
And to stay on topic, if your body changes when you progress through the stages, it makes more sense to adapt towards being able to draw blood more easily the longer you've gone without blood than it does to have your body revert back to more human features, which makes drawing blood only harder for yourself.
While we are at it. Can Vampires have claws (for non Khajiit and Argonian races) and fangs please?
https://imgur.com/a/vDQ93ae
Yes please!
I think the claws will actually be used in the one of the new feeding animation. At least that's what it sounded like when they talked about it during the reveal.
Thevampirenight wrote: »It would be cool if they added something were vampires are also unable to eat cooked food but can only eat raw meats to gain minor provisions buff. Maybe feeding also can grant a temp better provisions buff?
Vampires in Elder scrolls can eat normal food and drink. Though they really don't benefit from really being sated from it. But can still eat it. Wouldn't make sense that they couldn't gain from the food buffs and passives. Also why would they be able to eat raw meat but can't enjoy cooked food?
Huh didn't know that... I thought it would be a cool detail to have rather than them eating like normal cooked food and gaining benefits instead gain those benefits by feeding on people. As for raw food I thought it would be a better option considering they don't gain any benefits from eating cooked food.
While we are at it. Can Vampires have claws (for non Khajiit and Argonian races) and fangs please?
https://imgur.com/a/vDQ93ae
Yes please!
I think the claws will actually be used in the one of the new feeding animation. At least that's what it sounded like when they talked about it during the reveal.
Yeah.... I think the claw attack they talked about sounds like it might end up being a part of the Vampire Lord Transformation skill Im not sure they are going to change physical appearance.
Kombinator wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »It would be cool if they added something were vampires are also unable to eat cooked food but can only eat raw meats to gain minor provisions buff. Maybe feeding also can grant a temp better provisions buff?
Vampires in Elder scrolls can eat normal food and drink. Though they really don't benefit from really being sated from it. But can still eat it. Wouldn't make sense that they couldn't gain from the food buffs and passives. Also why would they be able to eat raw meat but can't enjoy cooked food?
Huh didn't know that... I thought it would be a cool detail to have rather than them eating like normal cooked food and gaining benefits instead gain those benefits by feeding on people. As for raw food I thought it would be a better option considering they don't gain any benefits from eating cooked food.
Well they could move the food passive to the vampire skill tree. As the vampire's "food" is blood. Though for balance reason it would be better to keep the current way. Purely for gameplay reasons.
As for OP. I agree, that they should keep the TES lore style. Vampires become more powerful as they get thirsty, but lose their humanity in return. They could add extra effect, and maybe extra stage.
Stage 4: guards attacks you on sight, and most NPC will send you away, but mist form grants invisibility.
Stage 5: you no longer yourself. The next time you nearby to any humanoid NPC you jump to feed on them, and gain bounty, if target is like that. This feeding kills any killable normal NPC.
It sound like there is a dearth of information about the big picture.. Lots of assumptions being made.
As for consistency with the single player TES games, this is an MMORPG and as such much of what we had in the single player games just does not work. Think about that for a moment. First bounty I got in Skyrim I had the guards pouring in through the doors. I did not have to go out of the building, they came for me. One of many things that works differently in ESO than the older games.
Sure, we can discuss this all we want but there is little reason for Zos to pay attention until we can begin having an informed discussion. Maybe they should have waited to tell us they were making any changes to this skill line because of all the speculation.
While we are at it. Can Vampires have claws (for non Khajiit and Argonian races) and fangs please?
https://imgur.com/a/vDQ93ae
Yes please!
I think the claws will actually be used in the one of the new feeding animation. At least that's what it sounded like when they talked about it during the reveal.
Yeah.... I think the claw attack they talked about sounds like it might end up being a part of the Vampire Lord Transformation skill Im not sure they are going to change physical appearance.
Well they said they won't change the appearance of vampirism, but I don't think that is stopping them from our characters using their hands to claw their prey open during the feeding animation.
They did say it would be more gore-y.
darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »
Get rid of feeding requirements, they are annoying. The only reason most people are vampires is for the sustain passive traits. The last thing anyone wants to have to deal with is worrying about level because they haven't fed in a while.
If zos moved the sustain passive, or even outright fixed buffed sustain, most people would drop vamp and the only ones left would be the erp weirdos.