Clarification on Warden Glacial Presence passive

CleymenZero · January 2020

"Glacial Presence: This passive now also increases your Critical Damage against enemies, and Critical Healing against allies who have been recently afflicted with the Chilled status effect."

What does the statement "recently afflicted with the Chilled status" mean specifically?

I'm wondering what the actual mechanic is to be able to better guesstimate the value of that passive in many fights. Does it activate the moment the chilled status applied (the "recently afflicted" part could suggest different things)? Does it linger for a few seconds after the chilled status (of particular interest because if the passive stays activated a few seconds after the chilled status wears off, it closes the gaps where the status isn't up)?

I'd suggest working on the wording to make it clearer because the "who have been recently afflicted" could suggest that it could activate during or after the status wears off and that it could linger for a time.

I really find that change interesting because it'll increase the magwarden DPS but also introduces a cool mag/stam class synergy. Stamwarden will benefit from the change and will want to always have a magwarden in the group to increase the chill status uptime so that their own DPS is increased.

Your thoughts?

Taleof2Cities · January 2020

I think you might want to try it with a friend(s) in PTS, @CleymenZero, before getting too carried away with speculation or changing the tooltip wording.

Chilled status is exactly what it means. A status effect applying minor maim, adding additional vulnerability to frost effects, and carrying additional frost damage for a short duration

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

CleymenZero wrote: »

"Glacial Presence: This passive now also increases your Critical Damage against enemies, and Critical Healing against allies who have been recently afflicted with the Chilled status effect."

What does the statement "recently afflicted with the Chilled status" mean specifically?

I'm wondering what the actual mechanic is to be able to better guesstimate the value of that passive in many fights. Does it activate the moment the chilled status applied (the "recently afflicted" part could suggest different things)? Does it linger for a few seconds after the chilled status (of particular interest because if the passive stays activated a few seconds after the chilled status wears off, it closes the gaps where the status isn't up)?

I'd suggest working on the wording to make it clearer because the "who have been recently afflicted" could suggest that it could activate during or after the status wears off and that it could linger for a time.

I really find that change interesting because it'll increase the magwarden DPS but also introduces a cool mag/stam class synergy. Stamwarden will benefit from the change and will want to always have a magwarden in the group to increase the chill status uptime so that their own DPS is increased.

Your thoughts?

I made the wording "increases your critical damage done to chilled enemies by 10%". I don't know the actual uptime now that it's in the game. It's wording on the PTS is a bit unclear.

Edit: i went back and looked at exact wording i used. This comment has been updated correctly.

karios525 · January 2020

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

Running ice staff will drop dps for ~ same amount as this passive will increase it.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give inncreased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

About that, i think they know it's a massive issue. On the pts, the only passive that isn't automatically unlocked on a 160cp slate, is tri focus. Coincidentally the only passive in the game which isn't picked on certain builds. The buff to glacial isn't at fault at all. The frost staff tri focus passive is. And please take this with a grain of salt, but when i suggested the glacial presence buff, i said that we intended it as a sort of precursor buff to other frost skill changes. Specifically mentioning the frost staff getting a rework of sorts to have a crit focus. Not that i don't think there shouldn't be a staff to tank with. (I've been thinking of a suggestion to help keep that recently.)

karios525 · January 2020

with no conditions to the passive, will bring mag warden dps back to a competitive state as even with the last range of buffs they were still too weak, doesn't help having clunky animations to most of their skills. Personally am taking a break from eso once eso+ runs out (don't see the point of renewing it) in a few days, hopefully one day eso will be fun again.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

Running ice staff will drop dps for ~ same amount as this passive will increase it.

I mean, if you run a fire staff with enough ways to proc chilled with a glyph, etc, i can see the highest dps still being with a fire staff.

thadjarvis · January 2020

Magden has Winters already. Adding a frost glyph or even backbar frost staff are possibilities to test.

It's very hard to see that slotting a frost staff just to get a little more chill uptime (likely quite small anyway if the previous 3 things are used) instead of 8% damage to spam skill makes any sense.

Specifically for dungeons, Asylum Fire front bar may be the best choice anyway (already is quite often imo).

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

thadjarvis wrote: »

Magden has Winters already. Adding a frost glyph or even backbar frost staff are possibilities to test.

It's very hard to see that slotting a frost staff just to get a little more chill uptime (likely quite small anyway if the previous 3 things are used) instead of 8% damage to spam skill makes any sense.

Specifically for dungeons, Asylum Fire front bar may be the best choice anyway (already is quite often imo).

This basically. Frost staff needs to increase critical chance or damage in order for people to consider it as a replacement or alternative option to a fire staff on certain classes.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · January 2020

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

karios525 wrote: »

with no conditions to the passive, will bring mag warden dps back to a competitive state as even with the last range of buffs they were still too weak, doesn't help having clunky animations to most of their skills. Personally am taking a break from eso once eso+ runs out (don't see the point of renewing it) in a few days, hopefully one day eso will be fun again.

It's making our element's status effect useful for dps. It adds unique flavour to the class. No more raw buffs without unique proc conditions. Maybe even period. What we need now is improved damage skills and then the removal of some of the bandaid raw damage buffs after that. For example Bird of Prey's minor berserk.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yes that is what it means. It's certainly unique but very niche. The original suggestion was just the critical damage portion. They added this free of charge it seems? Flavour is flavour i guess. I'm so happy they've implemented our suggestion. It means they might be adding more of our suggestions. And listening to our feedback.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yes that is what it means. It's certainly unique but very niche. The original suggestion was just the critical damage portion. They added this free of charge i guess? Flavour is flavour i guess. I'm so happy they've implemented our suggestion.

Thanks for the answer... Definitely reminds me of Redguard snare reduction passive haha! And am I the only one that thinks the Icy Aura passive should cause a small 10-15% snare in a 6m radius around wardens instead of a snare reduction? Kinda backwards, but since really embracing my Ice Mage Breton Tank/Healer/DPS, I've have tended to review these passives. Thanks, Nightingale.

Veinblood1965 · January 2020

I'm new to Warden, using two hand and bow. Couldn't I add frost enchants to get the chilled effect? It sounds obvious that it would but asking anyway. Thank you in advance.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

Running ice staff will drop dps for ~ same amount as this passive will increase it.

I mean, if you run a fire staff with enough ways to proc chilled with a glyph, etc, i can see the highest dps still being with a fire staff.

Yes, that's why I doubt any notable amount of magdens will be running with ice staves. Maybe some enthusiasts, but those know that they shouldn't heavy attack with it or don't put points in tri-focus.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yes that is what it means. It's certainly unique but very niche. The original suggestion was just the critical damage portion. They added this free of charge i guess? Flavour is flavour i guess. I'm so happy they've implemented our suggestion.

Thanks for the answer... Definitely reminds me of Redguard snare reduction passive haha! And am I the only one that thinks the Icy Aura passive should cause a small 10-15% snare in a 6m radius around wardens instead of a snare reduction? Kinda backwards, but since really embracing my Ice Mage Breton Tank/Healer/DPS, I've have tended to review these passives. Thanks, Nightingale.

Not sure if i like the constant aoe snare. Seems like it would be really irritating to fight against. See templar's old snare passive for reference.

CleymenZero · January 2020

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I think you might want to try it with a friend(s) in PTS, @CleymenZero, before getting too carried away with speculation or changing the tooltip wording.

Chilled status is exactly what it means. A status effect applying minor maim, adding additional vulnerability to frost effects, and carrying additional frost damage for a short duration

Great... I WILL get to testing but now I think you should read a few times before pretending to understand the issue at hand.

Most passives are clearly defined, they state a proc condition and a duration.

Take Maturation for example: "When you activate a heal on yourself or an ally you grant the target Minor Toughness, increasing their Max Health by 10% for 20 seconds."

See?
Proc condition: when you activate a heal
Effect: Minor Toughness
Duration: 20 seconds

Accelerated growth: "When you heal yourself or an ally under 40% Health with a Green Balance ability gain Major Mending, increasing your healing done by 25% for 3 seconds."

Proc condition: when you heal you or ally under 40% health
Effect: Major Mending
Duration: 3 seconds

Now take the changes to Glacial Presence - "Increase the chance of applying Chilled to enemies with Winter's Embrace abilities by 200%" PLUS "This passive now also increases your Critical Damage against enemies, and Critical Healing against allies who have been recently afflicted with the Chilled status effect."

Now:
Step 1 - Proc condition: "have been recently afflicted with the Chilled status effect"
Step 2 - Effect: increased critical damage by 10%
Step 3 - Duration: ?????
Step 4 - Profit

See the issue I have now? I may not be wording it properly but it would be better for it to be clearer.

EDIT:
Old: From what I've seen in static fight, magwardens are able to apply the Chilled status anywhere from 70-90% with Winter's Revenge alone.

New: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG but from what I've seen on ESO logs rankings fights. Fights where magwardens were in groups, chill uptimes were around 70-90%.

WrathOfInnos · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

thadjarvis wrote: »

Magden has Winters already. Adding a frost glyph or even backbar frost staff are possibilities to test.

It's very hard to see that slotting a frost staff just to get a little more chill uptime (likely quite small anyway if the previous 3 things are used) instead of 8% damage to spam skill makes any sense.

Specifically for dungeons, Asylum Fire front bar may be the best choice anyway (already is quite often imo).

This basically. Frost staff needs to increase critical chance or damage in order for people to consider it as a replacement or alternative option to a fire staff on certain classes.

If the Ancient Knowledge destruction staff passive gave Spell Crit (like daggers give weapon crit) that would synergize very nicely with the Warden getting increased Crit Damage against chilled enemies. In its current state, Frost Staff is simply not an option for effective DPS.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

I'm new to Warden, using two hand and bow. Couldn't I add frost enchants to get the chilled effect? It sounds obvious that it would but asking anyway. Thank you in advance.

There probably isn't a great uptime on chilled for stamina warden. I intended it to help stamina wardens in a group scenario. of course, given that they have someone to help apply it. It's definitely intended to be more of a magicka warden change than a stamina warden change.

CleymenZero · January 2020

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

I might be wrong but from what I've seen on ESO logs rankings fights. Fights where magwardens were in groups, chill uptimes were around 70-90%. I think the need to use an ice staff front-bar is not there at all in pve, you'll lose 8% single target damage for that, not interesting. If anything, they could use a Maelstrom ice staff (which I don't think is a good solution) or slot an ice glyph on their front bar.

Your concern shouldn't be one.

kojou · January 2020

I have a couple issues with the passive as well, but if I understand the intention correctly...

A Magicka Warden will benefit a lot from this passive with a Asylum Sanctorium "Concentrated Force" staff and should have pretty decent uptime on this (good luck getting a perfected one). Also, in general just having "Winters Revenge" on a target will provide good uptime as well. As the skill and the passive will increase the chance of applying chilled to any target in the AoE.

My issue is how does a Stamina Warden benefit from it? Do Warden healers have to put "Winters Revenge" on a target if there are no Magicka Wardens in the group? Do I need to slot "Gripping Shards" on my Stamina Warden for the increased chance to apply chilled?

That's not even starting with the whole healing allies that are chilled part. It seems so situational that I wondered why they even bothered adding that "buff"...

I think I would like the passive better if it read more like...

While Allies or Enemies are in a Ice based AoE ("Winter's Revenge", "Gripping Shards", "Ice Wall of Elements", etc) critical healing and critical damage are increased respectively. That would make it a useful passive for Tanks, Healers, and DPS and not require a specific staff to get the full benefit.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

thadjarvis wrote: »

Magden has Winters already. Adding a frost glyph or even backbar frost staff are possibilities to test.

It's very hard to see that slotting a frost staff just to get a little more chill uptime (likely quite small anyway if the previous 3 things are used) instead of 8% damage to spam skill makes any sense.

Specifically for dungeons, Asylum Fire front bar may be the best choice anyway (already is quite often imo).

This basically. Frost staff needs to increase critical chance or damage in order for people to consider it as a replacement or alternative option to a fire staff on certain classes.

If the Ancient Knowledge destruction staff passive gave Spell Crit (like daggers give weapon crit) that would synergize very nicely with the Warden getting increased Crit Damage against chilled enemies. In its current state, Frost Staff is simply not an option for effective DPS.

Specifically crit chance is something we suggested for it.

CleymenZero · January 2020

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yeah you're not going to see THAT much use for the healing unless the new trial, set in Skyrim, will have a lot of sources of chilled status (which would reduce DPS output significantly...) but the damage part is important.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yes that is what it means. It's certainly unique but very niche. The original suggestion was just the critical damage portion. They added this free of charge i guess? Flavour is flavour i guess. I'm so happy they've implemented our suggestion.

Thanks for the answer... Definitely reminds me of Redguard snare reduction passive haha! And am I the only one that thinks the Icy Aura passive should cause a small 10-15% snare in a 6m radius around wardens instead of a snare reduction? Kinda backwards, but since really embracing my Ice Mage Breton Tank/Healer/DPS, I've have tended to review these passives. Thanks, Nightingale.

Not sure if i like the constant aoe snare. Seems like it would be really irritating to fight against. See templar's old snare passive for reference.

Oh trust me, I know way too well about that stupid Templar snare. And the Dragonknights fire ability snares... Because fire definitely makes a person just want to move slower for some reason instead of run... Seemed like the very wrong places to have a class snare passive. Glad it is going from Templar now. Would have made actual sense as the Icy Aura passive. And concerning the additional critical healing from Wardens when Ally is chilled.... RIP Nords lolz! I really think the additional critical healing should be when the actual Warden player casting the heal has a Frost Damage ability active or their Winter Ability skill line active like Expansive Frost Cloak or Polar Wind etc. Thoughts? Makes more sense to me, almost like cryotherapy healing.

Sincerely, the Nightblade Main Gang.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

CleymenZero wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

Magwardens can keep the chilled status up from anywhere from 70-90% using Winter's Revenge alone *IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN* which is possible. The need to use an ice staff is not there at all in pve, you'll lose 8% single target damage for that, not interesting. If anything, they could use a Maelstrom ice staff (which I don't think is a good solution) or slot an ice glyph on their front bar.

Your concern shouldn't be one.

I don't believe it actually works like that. I have a character with full frost. Including winterborn and iceheart with elemental weapon and arctic blast alongside a frost enchantment and the frost aoes. Even then it's not proccing every second. If you can confirm math, it might be a bug.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yes that is what it means. It's certainly unique but very niche. The original suggestion was just the critical damage portion. They added this free of charge i guess? Flavour is flavour i guess. I'm so happy they've implemented our suggestion.

Thanks for the answer... Definitely reminds me of Redguard snare reduction passive haha! And am I the only one that thinks the Icy Aura passive should cause a small 10-15% snare in a 6m radius around wardens instead of a snare reduction? Kinda backwards, but since really embracing my Ice Mage Breton Tank/Healer/DPS, I've have tended to review these passives. Thanks, Nightingale.

Not sure if i like the constant aoe snare. Seems like it would be really irritating to fight against. See templar's old snare passive for reference.

Oh trust me, I know way too well about that stupid Templar snare. And the Dragonknights fire ability snares... Because fire definitely makes a person just want to move slower for some reason instead of run... Seemed like the very wrong places to have a class snare passive. Glad it is going from Templar now. Would have made actual sense as the Icy Aura passive. And concerning the additional critical healing from Wardens when Ally is chilled.... RIP Nords lolz! I really think the additional critical healing should be when the actual Warden player casting the heal has a Frost Damage ability active or their Winter Ability skill line active like Expansive Frost Cloak or Polar Wind etc. Thoughts? Makes more sense to me, almost like cryotherapy healing.

Sincerely, the Nightblade Main Gang.

That cyrotherapy thing sounds interesting. I'd put it on icy aura over glacial presence. That passive is boring lol

CleymenZero · January 2020

kojou wrote: »

I have a couple issues with the passive as well, but if I understand the intention correctly...

A Magicka Warden will benefit a lot from this passive with a Asylum Sanctorium "Concentrated Force" staff and should have pretty decent uptime on this (good luck getting a perfected one). Also, in general just having "Winters Revenge" on a target will provide good uptime as well. As the skill and the passive will increase the chance of applying chilled to any target in the AoE.

My issue is how does a Stamina Warden benefit from it? Do Warden healers have to put "Winters Revenge" on a target if there are no Magicka Wardens in the group? Do I need to slot "Gripping Shards" on my Stamina Warden for the increased chance to apply chilled?

That's not even starting with the whole healing allies that are chilled part. It seems so situational that I wondered why they even bothered adding that "buff"...

I think I would like the passive better if it read more like...

While Allies or Enemies are in a Ice based AoE ("Winter's Revenge", "Gripping Shards", "Ice Wall of Elements", etc) critical healing and critical damage are increased respectively. That would make it a useful passive for Tanks, Healers, and DPS and not require a specific staff to get the full benefit.

Taken as it is stated, yes stam wardens will benefit from it. That's what I meant about the interesting inner-class synergy where, as a stam warden, you'd want a magwarden in group to increase chill uptimes.

Asylum staff will help as well but, unless they make Winter's revenge or Gripping Shards scale with highest offensive stat, I have a hard time guessing if those skills will be worth slotting on a stam Warden. Only testing will tell.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

CleymenZero wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

My question is what the heck does the healing actually mean? ONLY when allies get hit with the Chilled effect is when you personally get higher critical heals for that particular Ally? If so, seems very niche and almost never to happen in pve and very rarely in pvp to receive that increased critical healing. That's what I need clarified.

Yeah you're not going to see THAT much use for the healing unless the new trial, set in Skyrim, will have a lot of sources of chilled status (which would reduce DPS output significantly...) but the damage part is important.

I don't think it was intended to be overly useful. More of a flavourful change.

CleymenZero · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

The passive should just give increased crit damage/healing otherwise you will end up with mag wardens running around with ice staffs yet again, and wondering why they keep getting agro and kicked from groups. As a main tank I have no tolerance for ice staff users period, they get one warning then kicked. There are few enough of us tanks left, even less who will pug dungeons anymore due to the drop in dps of casuals after the last round of nerfs. Zos either need to drop taunt from the ice staff passive, or just have the crit with no conditions.

Magwardens can keep the chilled status up from anywhere from 70-90% using Winter's Revenge alone *IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN* which is possible. The need to use an ice staff is not there at all in pve, you'll lose 8% single target damage for that, not interesting. If anything, they could use a Maelstrom ice staff (which I don't think is a good solution) or slot an ice glyph on their front bar.

Your concern shouldn't be one.

I don't believe it actually works like that. I have a character with full frost. Including winterborn and iceheart with elemental weapon and arctic blast alongside a frost enchantment and the frost aoes. Even then it's not proccing every second. If you can confirm math, it might be a bug.

Forget what I said, I will correct it. That data was pulled from ESO logs rankings where a magwarden was in group so it doesnt mean the magwarden is the only source applying the thing. I'll correct the statements. Thanks.

kojou · January 2020

CleymenZero wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

I have a couple issues with the passive as well, but if I understand the intention correctly...

A Magicka Warden will benefit a lot from this passive with a Asylum Sanctorium "Concentrated Force" staff and should have pretty decent uptime on this (good luck getting a perfected one). Also, in general just having "Winters Revenge" on a target will provide good uptime as well. As the skill and the passive will increase the chance of applying chilled to any target in the AoE.

My issue is how does a Stamina Warden benefit from it? Do Warden healers have to put "Winters Revenge" on a target if there are no Magicka Wardens in the group? Do I need to slot "Gripping Shards" on my Stamina Warden for the increased chance to apply chilled?

That's not even starting with the whole healing allies that are chilled part. It seems so situational that I wondered why they even bothered adding that "buff"...

I think I would like the passive better if it read more like...

While Allies or Enemies are in a Ice based AoE ("Winter's Revenge", "Gripping Shards", "Ice Wall of Elements", etc) critical healing and critical damage are increased respectively. That would make it a useful passive for Tanks, Healers, and DPS and not require a specific staff to get the full benefit.

Taken as it is stated, yes stam wardens will benefit from it. That's what I meant about the interesting inner-class synergy where, as a stam warden, you'd want a magwarden in group to increase chill uptimes.

Asylum staff will help as well but, unless they make Winter's revenge or Gripping Shards scale with highest offensive stat, I have a hard time guessing if those skills will be worth slotting on a stam Warden. Only testing will tell.

Magicka builds are already using Trap for minor force, so if Gripping Shards gives reasonable uptime on 10% crit damage then you can bet Stamina Wardens will be slotting it. Just need to test uptime...