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Mother Ciannait – Monster Mask (Is that supposed to be 30,000?)

  • ArchMikem
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    It's a relatively free extra damage shield, of course it's only 3k, especially after the huge nerfs to damage shields in general when everyone complained about Sorcs being invincible.
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  • Gnortranermara
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    It's a relatively free extra damage shield

    It's not "relatively free" when its opportunity cost is missing out on a much better shield. This thing is awful. It definitely needs a buff if they want people to farm the content. It's one of the few things wrong this PTS cycle though, so at least they don't have 200 other dumpster fires to put out this time around.
  • Sandman929
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    Is this the indication that they have no more ideas or did the darts just land on an anomaly...one dart hit "small shield" and another dart hit "channeled ability "
  • Eormenric
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    After some thought, I actually think this set is good. I think it would be great with an 8s CD, but maybe more PvP-centered individuals would tell me how imbalanced that would be.

    I come from a PvE perspective. Right now, I use Invigorating Drain a lot for ultimate. So, I slapped on Cyrodiil's Light to help. You might think 15% less damage while channeling can, at times, amount to a lot more than 3k. Sure, during trash pulls--but there's little challenge in that. Also, that 15% is only during the channel. The moment it's done, I gain nothing. If a boss is going to heavy attack, there's no way I'm chancing 15% keeping me alive over blocking. This helm (a slot I use as a wild card) would allow me to ditch Cyrodiil's Light and pick up the new Bani's Torment HEAVY armor (much appreciated over running Light). Since Vykosa is getting changed, I don't feel as strong of a need for it with my current build.

    If it feels bad for your needs, it feels bad for YOUR needs. I welcome this helm. Again, changing it to a 8s CD would be better, but that's why we test.

    P.S. Consider these other scenarios:
    1) Using Channeled Acceleration after grabbing something important in PvP (ball, relic, scroll).
    2) Rite of Passage for even more survivability (that 3k could really save you).
    3) You know Nightblade's Death Stroke is a cast time too, right? .4s. If your stealth goes south, this little shield may be quite handy.
    Edited by Eormenric on January 21, 2020 1:33AM
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Eormenric wrote: »
    After some thought, I actually think this set is good. I think it would be great with an 8s CD, but maybe more PvP-centered individuals would tell me how imbalanced that would be.

    I come from a PvE perspective. Right now, I use Invigorating Drain a lot for ultimate. So, I slapped on Cyrodiil's Light to help. You might think 15% less damage while channeling can, at times, amount to a lot more than 3k. Sure, during trash pulls--but there's little challenge in that. Also, that 15% is only during the channel. The moment it's done, I gain nothing. If a boss is going to heavy attack, there's no way I'm chancing 15% keeping me alive over blocking. This helm (a slot I use as a wild card) would allow me to ditch Cyrodiil's Light and pick up the new Bani's Torment HEAVY armor (much appreciated over running Light). Since Vykosa is getting changed, I don't feel as strong of a need for it with my current build.

    If it feels bad for your needs, it feels bad for YOUR needs. I welcome this helm. Again, changing it to a 8s CD would be better, but that's why we test.

    Are you one of the people who has not heard of Iceheart?
  • Eormenric
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    @WrathOfInnos

    Iceheart is a chance on critical damage. Out of my 4 examples, 1 is very unlikely to crit and 2 don't even deal damage. I've heard of Iceheart. I just consider more things before opening my mouth (or flailing my fingers).
    Edited by Eormenric on January 21, 2020 1:37AM
  • Dark_Lord_Kuro
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    No in think she meant 300
  • WrathOfInnos
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    Eormenric wrote: »
    @WrathOfInnos

    Iceheart is on critical damage. Out of my 4 examples, 1 is very unlikely to crit and 2 don't even deal damage. I've heard of Iceheart. I just consider more things before opening my mouth (or flailing my fingers).

    Even if you use 0 skills that deal damage, you can light attack weave and it only takes 15% crit chance for Iceheart to provide more mitigation than this set, while also dealing some damage and not requiring a Channeled ability every 10s.

    To be remotely useful this shield needs to be increased to around 20k. Then it would provide 2k shield/s vs Iceheart's ~1.7k, at the cost of dealing no damage itself, having a weaker 1pc bonus, and relying on channeled abilities to proc.
  • SirMewser
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    Eormenric wrote: »
    After some thought, I actually think this set is good. I think it would be great with an 8s CD, but maybe more PvP-centered individuals would tell me how imbalanced that would be.

    I come from a PvE perspective. Right now, I use Invigorating Drain a lot for ultimate. So, I slapped on Cyrodiil's Light to help. You might think 15% less damage while channeling can, at times, amount to a lot more than 3k. Sure, during trash pulls--but there's little challenge in that. Also, that 15% is only during the channel. The moment it's done, I gain nothing. If a boss is going to heavy attack, there's no way I'm chancing 15% keeping me alive over blocking. This helm (a slot I use as a wild card) would allow me to ditch Cyrodiil's Light and pick up the new Bani's Torment HEAVY armor (much appreciated over running Light). Since Vykosa is getting changed, I don't feel as strong of a need for it with my current build.

    If it feels bad for your needs, it feels bad for YOUR needs. I welcome this helm. Again, changing it to a 8s CD would be better, but that's why we test.

    P.S. Consider these other scenarios:
    1) Using Channeled Acceleration after grabbing something important in PvP (ball, relic, scroll).
    2) Rite of Passage for even more survivability (that 3k could really save you).
    3) You know Nightblade's Death Stroke is a cast time too, right? .4s. If your stealth goes south, this little shield may be quite handy.

    How is casting any cast-time ability to get a 3k shield any better (proactively) than using annulment/conjured ward/steadfast ward/bone shield/sun shield/reflective plate/shimmering shield/obsidian shield? Most shields (not limiting to active skills), include proc sets that have; secondary effects (Iceheart, phoenix, ), apply to multiples or others (brands of imperium, prayer shawl, combat physician, lunar bastion), bigger (para bellum, hatchling shell, undaunted bastion), have no proc condition (hatchling shell), and have shorter cooldowns (for more frequent refreshes).

    Reactively, doesn't it sound more practical to have a bigger shield that also makes a collision telegraph that deals frost damage (that applies minor maim (15% damage reduction)). How about that most proc secs can also be refreshed every 6 seconds (rather than 10)? Maybe even the circumstance of crits over locking yourself in cast/channels for 1sec or longer GCDs in fast paced environments? You are also leaving yourself vulnerable to interrupt/bash/stun, waiting for the proc.
    Eormenric wrote: »
    @WrathOfInnos

    Iceheart is a chance on critical damage. Out of my 4 examples, 1 is very unlikely to crit and 2 don't even deal damage. I've heard of Iceheart. I just consider more things before opening my mouth (or flailing my fingers).

    Perhaps you have a holistic approach in your mind.
    Do you think that telling someone you consider things before opening your mouth or flailing fingers gives you a power over them because, maybe, you don't like nor concur with what they have to say?
    Would it be possible that Iceheart was mentioned to you because you didn't mention it in your previous posts, neither did you explain how this set is different from any others in the case situations you've given?
    Edited by SirMewser on January 21, 2020 3:00AM
  • ZonasArch
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    I really don't think the person that designed this set even knows what Iceheart is. If they did, they would have reevaluated this particular set.

    Iceheart is basically procced on cooldown and has a 6 second cooldown and duration (instead of 10) deals aoe damage in addition to the shield and also has a larger shield size. I haven't seen this new dungeon yet, but I'll assume that Iceheart will also be easier to farm than a vet DLC dungeon.

    Someone describe to me the niche, edge case scenario where this new set is better than Iceheart.

    I'm trying to think of the cast/channeled ability that would proc this, too. Um... maybe a Templar jabs or dark flare? Sorc casting Dark Exchange or perhaps hard-casting frags? :D DKs don't really channel/cast. NBs don't. OH! A Warden could summon their pet!

    Cast time there are a few ults, Templar has jabs and Jesus beam, and a healing skill too. Vamp drain, but no one will use that. Summons, for warden and sorcs... Bloodthirsty, from DW... Oh, Crystal blast from sorcs too.
  • Banana
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    The spreadsheet isn't working
  • Anyron
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    It's a relatively free extra damage shield, of course it's only 3k, especially after the huge nerfs to damage shields in general when everyone complained about Sorcs being invincible.

    Yup.. Relatively free with cost of your monster set.. Because 3k shield is worth it apparently
  • MyPrist
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    10-15 k shield is ok.

    3 k is to small, 30 k is too big.

    It must work like skill from light armor.
    And for example chaneled axeleration can be used on any class :)
  • Kadoozy
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    Now that you all have mentioned Iceheart, expect next PTS cycle to see: "Reduced the shield size on Iceheart to 1500, down from 9977."

    Yikes. 6 years of ZOS balancing this way and you would think people would learn.
  • CaptainVenom
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    Hey guys, keep in mind these notes are not final. They are still balancing things.
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  • Cinbri
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    It's 3k and the visual effect is awful! all procs in this patch look terrible.

    Proc of this set reminds me unbreakable shield of Dagoth Ur and thus looks awesome and very RP-wise. Would definetely use it on my Dagoth.
    I feel like if set would grant you 150 damage shield every 10sec there still would be people saying set is OK. :expressionless:
  • Rex-Umbra
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    1500 in pvp lol
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