I have never felt so anonymous in a game

bearcalypse · April 2014

I love the way DAoC did it - especially for the opposing sides: Highlander Eagle Knight, Saracen Phoenix Knight, etc... and you could only see Names and Guilds for your own faction. And for the MMO-scrubs who think WoW was the first MMO and compare everything to it, this was before WoW.

PjBrunelleub17_ESO · April 2014

bearcalypse wrote: »

I love the way DAoC did it - especially for the opposing sides: Highlander Eagle Knight, Saracen Phoenix Knight, etc... and you could only see Names and Guilds for your own faction. And for the MMO-scrubs who think WoW was the first MMO and compare everything to it, this was before WoW.

This exactly.

murklor007neb18_ESO · April 2014

I dont even know who is in my own guild even when looking straight at them.

ESO is a very wierd game that's going to have very dull PvP unless they do something.

epoling · April 2014

Yes, please make nameplates an option. It can be difficult to determine who is a PC and who is an NPC. (Yes, I do have my eyes open - it is still a pain in the neck.) And if I keep seeing the same person over and over I am more likely to start talking to them than if I feel like I never see the same people.

BKTHNDR · April 2014

GossiTheDog wrote: »

I disagree. I don't want nameplates, chat bubbles etc. I know my guild members and talk to them and quest with them. That's fine with me.

I agree with this. I'm not sure why everyone is making a huge deal out of the nameplates thing. I run with a group of friends and sometimes we pick up randoms, too. I can tell just by looking at them who they are. I don't get the big hindrance that people are experiencing with this.

I was running a dungeon with a friend last night and two randoms. At the end of the run, we struck up a conversation with the two other players and started talking about our guilds and whatnot. I didn't need to see a long guild name floating above their heads. I just asked them about their guilds, they asked about ours, and it lead to a conversation.

gudsy · April 2014

I feel the same, so far I'm mostly questing, there is simply no interactions with anyone around, people just don't talk or help each other, or barely.

Inviting someone to your group quickly is not instinctive, so nobody bothers.

Often feels like playing a single player game when you quest.

I love the game, I'm totally hooked, but yes, the social aspect (interface) needs a serious revamp.

I think it break the immersion even more when you have to open a panel for everything social.

I'm in for nameplates.

Chomag · April 2014

The game doesn't have name plates because it wouldn't be tes-like and those skyrim nerds would complain the game is not like TES games, and they already do that anyway, so ZOS foolishly tried to apply features found in a single player game (WTF?) to their MMO and paid no mind to the fact that only a fool would transfer single player features to an MMO.

BKTHNDR · April 2014

gudsy wrote: »

I feel the same, so far I'm mostly questing, there is simply no interactions with anyone around, people just don't talk or help each other, or barely.

Inviting someone to your group quickly is not instinctive, so nobody bothers.

Often feels like playing a single player game when you quest.

I love the game, I'm totally hooked, but yes, the social aspect (interface) needs a serious revamp.

I think it break the immersion even more when you have to open a panel for everything social.

I'm in for nameplates.

I didn't realize that pointing your mouse at someone, holding F, and selecting "Invite to Party" was an immersion breaking process? I feel like people are making this social thing a lot more difficult than it needs to be.

TheSzerdi · April 2014

I would love to see optional nameplates setting. Especially for guild names. It really helps in pvp when you can glance at someone and remember that guild was well-coordinated and effective and that guild over there is the zerg swarm of 12 year olds.

daneyulebub17_ESO · April 2014

Yep. I'm all for many of the immersive-friendly decisions---I don't want a mini-map by any means, for instance. But optional name plates are simply too useful for an MMO to not have the option. Just because WOW uses something doesn't make it bad, despite all the screaming by those who want this to be a skyrim clone. As long as its optional, and maybe has a different setting in PVP vs PVE, those who don't want it should really just mind their own business on this one and quit telling us we shouldn't have the choice.

Grim1967 · April 2014

I prefer the name tags, so I can see who they are. I understand some player not wanting them. So put the option to have them turn on or off. Me I be turning them on.

Turelus · April 2014

I disagree I'm already learning some of the better names in my PVP campaign and I have seen some of the same players in zone chat from zone to zone.

I think the issue is probably more than there are multiple instances for each area/town and there are much higher numbers of people on each server than the names over heads, it's harder to stand out as an individual amongst millions rather than tens of thousands.

SMW1980b14a_ESO · April 2014

Another case of their opinions on immersion and a clean UI are forced upon us with no consideration for our own preference. So many things should be an option. That way everyone is happy.

SafeForSure · April 2014

PjBrunelleub17_ESO wrote: »

Usually in an MMO you see the same people over and over, you recognize their name, you see a guild tag over and over, and reputations are formed, communities develop. Not in this game. I couldn't name another guild in my home campaign besides my own, I don't know if the guy fighting next to me is the guy that was fighting next to me at the farm 10 minutes ago (Yes I know you can 'mouse' over them and get their name) I know my guild, and maybe some guy that uses /zone way too much.

The game needs nametags, and guild tags. I'm fine with the enemy being anonymous, but to create a community you can't just have a bunch of anonymous people, which from my experience is what ESO is at this point. I don't know what kind of a hit the engine would take having to generate them, but i'll take it just for the sake of some sort of community to develop.

I was thinking the same thing and i agree complete and al those same people jumping in at every post to say i dont should find something better to do then ruin post like yours cause your 100% spot on right. They should have a option in the game so we can choose to put it on or off. Also it makes life for the cheaters, botters, hackers etc alot easyer to stay below radar.

JohnG · April 2014

I completely agree with the OP, should have a setting to turn on nameplates for all, for guild mates and friends only, or none at all. For those that feel it breaks immersion or whatever, fine turn them off. Your immersion is not broken by me being able to see your name, and if you say it is you have bigger problems.

Audigy · April 2014

WolfHeart wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

I cant wait for these wow clone lovers to leave for wildstar orwhatever is the next thing. Then we can stop hearing the nameplate crybaby crowd.

You know, people on the SWTOR forums said the same thing. "Can't wait for these WoW kiddies to leave" I guess they did leave in the end.

Just because people want an option to toggle namesplates on, it doesn't mean they are WoW "clone lovers" I want nameplates to be an option here, and guess what? I have never even played WoW. So how does that work? Hmm. Get off your high horse.

You don't need to play wow, to be a wow lover. WOW changed the MMO world and Nameplates were one of the things that ruined this world.

I don't understand why its so hard to people to just mouse over another char, why do you need to have hundred´s of plates on your screen? What's the point of this?

Its also a lie that people now instantly play with their guild, seriously like this would actually change anything.

At wow being in a guild, having those plates still doesn't change the fact that wow today is a Single player game where nobody knows anyone.

Nimrael · April 2014

I have absolutely no idea why anyone would be against the OPTION to turn nameplates on and off.

You don't want it? No problem, won't effect you one bit.
You think it adds to the community aspect of an MMO? Turn it on and you're golden.

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I'm a massive TES fanboy, but this needs to be implement because this is an MMORPG, not a single player game.
Whoever is against it, turns it off, doesn't effect them in any way, shape or form.
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Blackwidow · April 2014

People who vote against things that would not affect them whatsoever are selfish.

Sorry, but it is true.

Anastasia · April 2014

psufan5 wrote: »

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No one will make a name for themselves in PVP without these.

Sticking to lore and making a bad decision are not mutually exclusive. There is no negative to having names, if you can turn them off.

I appreciate the way people in this thread are making their opinions without hassling others for their different opinion!

Point I'd like to make is to say that it should be glaringly obvious by now, original vision was for teams supporting each other ... NOT INDIVIDUALS. I too, would not mind if there were an option for it, however there are many that would.

As soon as people have to make the decision to SHARE the glory or TAKE IT FOR THEMSELVES, the atmosphere and immersion of the game is different, as it is in other mmo's, of which we have plenty to choose from.

Saying there is no negative to having names is not a fact, it is your opinion and I've many friends who are very comfortable with their 'anonymity' - not in some sinister 'anti-social' way, they just like the option of hopping in game for what ever their selection is for the day - PvP, a little RPing, questing with a friend or jumping in a group with guildies or p-u-g's. All of the things mentioned in my previous sentence WOULD be affected if name plates were on. EVEN if an individual can turn them 'off' for themselves... it allows identification by other people of YOU if they have theirs turned on.

I think the suggestion I read earlier about getting Guild Icons/heraldry on easily seen pieces of your gear ie the outer shoulder/arm etc would take care of encouraging cammaderie for Guilds, but still allow individuals to have their separate parts of enjoyment within Tamriel.

C'est la vie! Lets see if this is one of the player debates and suggestions the dev's decide to address.

I'm having a blast exactly how the dev's presented this game to me on hour 1, pre-launch day1 myself. I'm glad the staff is working hard at squaring away bugs as I know that is frustrating some people.

But as for name plates, eh. I'm good just the way it is unless the change has to do with encouraging Guild identification and loyalty!

There will be changes but I do not think its a realistic expectation to 'remake' the basic and original thrust of the devs vision.

Laura · April 2014

have them defaulted off ES players won't know the difference and MMO players will turn them on

Ragnar_Lodbrok · April 2014

SMW1980b14a_ESO wrote: »

Another case of their opinions on immersion and a clean UI are forced upon us with no consideration for our own preference. So many things should be an option. That way everyone is happy.

No an option would make it a requirement which would make most of us against it unhappy.

Torasi · April 2014

I agree that the MMO idea of community is contaminated. Due to the fact that it is not very often that a group of people more than 5 who know eachother IRL, all play the game, thus creating the need for people to have to reach out into the game to other players when they are looking for larger groups or "communities". That being said those "communities" tend to mimic that of a real world group of exclusive *** that only allow "the best" in their group, and "the best" is not something that you could possibly be.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · April 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

People who vote against things that would not affect them whatsoever are selfish.

Sorry, but it is true.

People who use weak arguments like you shouldnt vote period. How I feel and vote is important to me. And nameplates would cause me to unsub.

Chomag · April 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

And nameplates would cause me to unsub.

Wow, really?! LMAO. GTFO!

Blackwidow · April 2014

Anastasia wrote: »

Saying there is no negative to having names is not a fact, it is your opinion and I've many friends who are very comfortable with their 'anonymity'

You will have to explain this one.

they just like the option of hopping in game for what ever their selection is for the day - PvP, a little RPing, questing with a friend or jumping in a group with guildies or p-u-g's. All of the things mentioned in my previous sentence WOULD be affected if name plates were on. EVEN if an individual can turn them 'off' for themselves... it allows identification by other people of YOU if they have theirs turned on.

How? How would it affect them?

People can mouse over you and see your name. So.... please explain.

But as for name plates, eh. I'm good just the way it is unless the change has to do with encouraging Guild identification and loyalty!

Try to get this. It is not all about you. you might want to try to think of others. They might want name plates. This does not affect you.

Gisgo · April 2014

I was skeptic but i like the game without nametags, i can tell who is who by looking at them, after a while you get used to it.

Blackwidow · April 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

I was skeptic but i like the game without nametags, i can tell who is who by looking at them, after a while you get used to it.

You have every right to play that way, just like others should have the right to have nametags.

felixgamingx1 · April 2014

Basically we are nothing... Just another paid sub our communication is not as important as paying monthly subs.

Chomag · April 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

Basically we are nothing... Just another paid sub our communication is not as important as paying monthly subs.

Well maybe you are, I'm not paying a sub to this terrible excuse for an MMO.

Arsenic_Touch · April 2014

Another example of them going backwards in development. They should've left it as a toggle, not removed it. If people want immersion, they can toggle it off and people that want utility can leave it on. There's no reason to not appease both sides of the line unless of course you're arrogant enough to believe that only your opinion counts in regards to what is acceptable and what is not.