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this undaunted event has a rise in fake healers.
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s not just healers, or even support roles, but lots of people queuing for vet dungeons without proper knowledge or gear or in one case, CP (I didn’t think you could do vet dungeons with less than 160 CP but perhaps they didn’t join through group finder, Idk). I’m more than happy to help those less experienced and am certainly still learning myself (CP ~480) but it is sooo frustrating when you put in a lot of time and then can’t even complete the dungeon. I only PUG with my healer main and the recurring problem is DPS who could not do sufficient DPS. I don’t care if it takes longer and mechanics must all be done (often more fun that way anyway) but when people stand in the red or stand way far away from the boss...
So rarely had such frustration PUGging vet dungeons before.Edited by Araneae6537 on January 12, 2020 7:34AM3 -
TirantLoBlanch✭✭✭I will say it again. It never minds iif YOU think that healers are for losers, IT¨S NOT YOUR DECISION ;IT¨S TH ENTIRE TEAM DECISION. Inform your team and affront the team decision
If you´re pretending to force 3 other people the way they don´t want, the way the game was not intended, nad your "Excuse" is caling NOobs the other 3, it makes clear who has the toxicvity proiblem. It´s you.
And let me make you think about something.
If the number of Healers and tanks were equiparable to the number of DPS, i´m pretty sure that YOUR skills as tanjks, healers wiell be considered much worse thant the average... You can complain about DPS just ebcause the high number of wiling to be dps gives you an elite to compare. YOU are cmapring a LIKos of fps with the average Joe to justify yourself.
How good could be a suposed likos in tanking compared to the average tank.
I can tell you teh same hrrific stories about incompetent tanks and healers.
Tahing yur argument, if you need to bting a fake role, you are a very bad player: Real good players can soloing the dungon without carring a useless team... (This is to make yu see how distorted and sophistic is teh argument)
Thereare no thing as "FAke dps". There are BAD DPS (As there are very bad tanks and healers too). No one wants to wait hurs to fake a dps, there is no reason, no ebenfit. And obviously there are no fake dps because your motivation to fake roles is not to help the others to do teh dungeon ffaster, is to help uurlself to skip the queue. Period.4 -
tgrippa✭✭✭✭✭TirantLoBlanch wrote: »I will say it again. It never minds iif YOU think that healers are for losers, IT¨S NOT YOUR DECISION ;IT¨S TH ENTIRE TEAM DECISION. Inform your team and affront the team decision
If you´re pretending to force 3 other people the way they don´t want, the way the game was not intended, nad your "Excuse" is caling NOobs the other 3, it makes clear who has the toxicvity proiblem. It´s you.
And let me make you think about something.
If the number of Healers and tanks were equiparable to the number of DPS, i´m pretty sure that YOUR skills as tanjks, healers wiell be considered much worse thant the average... You can complain about DPS just ebcause the high number of wiling to be dps gives you an elite to compare. YOU are cmapring a LIKos of fps with the average Joe to justify yourself.
How good could be a suposed likos in tanking compared to the average tank.
I can tell you teh same hrrific stories about incompetent tanks and healers.
Tahing yur argument, if you need to bting a fake role, you are a very bad player: Real good players can soloing the dungon without carring a useless team... (This is to make yu see how distorted and sophistic is teh argument)
Thereare no thing as "FAke dps". There are BAD DPS (As there are very bad tanks and healers too). No one wants to wait hurs to fake a dps, there is no reason, no ebenfit. And obviously there are no fake dps because your motivation to fake roles is not to help the others to do teh dungeon ffaster, is to help uurlself to skip the queue. Period.
I can see your rage developing as you type this piece, your hands shaking, your eyes getting blurry as they tear up, as you smash your keyboard to form patterns that vaguely resemble the thoughts in your head.
Take a break to relax and remember that this is a game.
Remember that games are about challenging yourself to improve and get better while having some good old occaisional ERP.
Look at the people telling you that you do not need a healer, hell you can solo (edit: not anymore as they fixed a mechanic woohoo - but it can be duo'd still) vet hardmode Blackheart Haven.
Have a shield, don't stand in red, interrupt stuff, dodge/block heavy attacks, don't run around in big circles and keep up damage on the boss. You will then have a much better time in this game and care less about fake healers. Hell, you may even one day queue as a healer yourself and solo the damn thing for your group, enjoying the short queue and the big deeps you will start doing.
Edited by tgrippa on January 13, 2020 1:19PMPCEU
heh.
heh.2 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭i dont think there has been a rise per se, just more ppl using the LFG so hyave been exposed to the practise more than they normally would have, as previously stated in a normal dungeon a healer is not required (dlc at a push). from a personal view i have been using the event to catch up on vet achievements (No death, HM, Speed ect) i usually run them with 3dd and not use LFG now and then we will queue but always inform the Random player if we have set as healer they then have the choice to stay if they dont want to we kick them from group (with their knowledge) so they dont incur and desertion penaltyEdited by Alienoutlaw on January 12, 2020 11:36AM0 -
AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are so many potatoes in dungeons yet the OP complains on fake healers. Smh.
Just slot some self heals, jeez. Not everyone wants to spend too long in a dungeon when they're farming. And btw, just a tip, if you're farming motifs queue for FG1 all the time.Edited by AgaTheGreat on January 12, 2020 5:42PMPS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat5 -
TirantLoBlanch✭✭✭TirantLoBlanch wrote: »I will say it again. It never minds iif YOU think that healers are for losers, IT¨S NOT YOUR DECISION ;IT¨S TH ENTIRE TEAM DECISION. Inform your team and affront the team decision
If you´re pretending to force 3 other people the way they don´t want, the way the game was not intended, nad your "Excuse" is caling NOobs the other 3, it makes clear who has the toxicvity proiblem. It´s you.
And let me make you think about something.
If the number of Healers and tanks were equiparable to the number of DPS, i´m pretty sure that YOUR skills as tanjks, healers wiell be considered much worse thant the average... You can complain about DPS just ebcause the high number of wiling to be dps gives you an elite to compare. YOU are cmapring a LIKos of fps with the average Joe to justify yourself.
How good could be a suposed likos in tanking compared to the average tank.
I can tell you teh same hrrific stories about incompetent tanks and healers.
Tahing yur argument, if you need to bting a fake role, you are a very bad player: Real good players can soloing the dungon without carring a useless team... (This is to make yu see how distorted and sophistic is teh argument)
Thereare no thing as "FAke dps". There are BAD DPS (As there are very bad tanks and healers too). No one wants to wait hurs to fake a dps, there is no reason, no ebenfit. And obviously there are no fake dps because your motivation to fake roles is not to help the others to do teh dungeon ffaster, is to help uurlself to skip the queue. Period.
I can see your rage developing as you type this piece, your hands shaking, your eyes getting blurry as they tear up, as you smash your keyboard to form patterns that vaguely resemble the thoughts in your head.
Take a break to relax and remember that this is a game.
Remember that games are about challenging yourself to improve and get better while having some good old occaisional ERP.
Look at the people telling you that you do not need a healer, hell you can solo vet hardmode Blackheart Haven.
Have a shield, don't stand in red, interrupt stuff, dodge/block heavy attacks, don't run around in big circles and keep up damage on the boss. You will then have a much better time in this game and care less about fake healers. Hell, you may even one day queue as a healer yourself and solo the damn thing for your group, enjoying the short queue and the big deeps you will start doing.
istart to see where is the problem.
With you and with a lot of irritating players.
Too many assumptions.
I only have to read the scenario that you imagined:Some poor devil messing his hair and complaining at hte rise of a heart attack.
After all ,a good bunch of benevolent tips about "Roll dodge savels lifes"
At the ende is the same mechanism going under al the problem...
"Rules are not important only because if they are important, i´m not avoided to lie to myself and the others in a single and ineludible fact: IT¨S me who i´m cheating the rules and expectatives, it´s me who are not respecting the will of othre people."
Al the rest is milenila *** wanting to somej courtain the main issue.
A MAN MUST NOT DECIDE FOR 4
So for your surprise, i stay calm. You mistake Angriness with two issues : 1) I´m typing in a very tiny keyborad while in the backseat of a bus and 2) Obviously english is not my mother language, so ths makes me commit many mistakes when i try to type as fast as i could.
I have to be hard in my language because teh non arguments and ad hominems here makes me stay focused in the essence ot the issue: Some players can´t respect the others. This is the point.
If the composition of the party could be different is totally another subject, and must be discused aside. I could agree in having some more options to the Matchmaker "·3dps-tank" or even "4dps"But again this makes no excuse to fake roles.work in this improvement of the system and i will support you.
Meanwhile, dont be pricks, mates. If you want skip teh queue, the response is to be able to fullfill the role. This or asking your team if the have no issue with a third DPS.
AH, and just in case... I´m a +1080 CP, I have 10 chars fully upgraded, and i can solo the most part of the ver dungeons in at least a half of them.
But yes , if you check the current metas, some classes still having spots for strong healings, and some classes NOT to still being great at the job.
Normally i manage to survive quite well in every ingame situation...But A dps having to respawn anoter dead DPS is not dpsing .
And has been not rare a scenary where i had to spend more stamina using echoing vigor to keep alive the other DPS than using damage skills.
So "In nuce" you are telling to me : "Stay calm and take it easy , because if Zenimax takes finally this as seriously as it deserves, they will make somethng to fix it"
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I did my first PUG run of the event, and I was glad our group had a real tank. 3 of us died on Lava Queen HM -- after what had otherwise been an easy run -- but we got back up and finished the fight.
I don't know how important my healing was; folks generally didn't get below half health, so perhaps they could have healed themselves quite nicely. (I think Earthgore procced once in the whole run.) Nor do I know whether anybody skated so close to the resource edge that they cared greatly about my "battery" services.1 -
Taemiru✭✭✭I would love to play actually dedicated healer sometimes, with all buffs and synergies one can provide (yes 3dd is faster but it's always nice to play with good healer that knows how to do its job), but why would i do that if 60%+ of pugs have a leech dd who is hoping that team will have enough dps to carry their 10k in vet for those sweet monster helmets/pledge hardmodes. And it gets even more "fun" when two leeches happen to end up in the same group.
Almost feels like fake/bad dds are exactly those who cry the most about "fake" healers
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tgrippa✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »I did my first PUG run of the event, and I was glad our group had a real tank. 3 of us died on Lava Queen HM -- after what had otherwise been an easy run -- but we got back up and finished the fight.
I don't know how important my healing was; folks generally didn't get below half health, so perhaps they could have healed themselves quite nicely. (I think Earthgore procced once in the whole run.) Nor do I know whether anybody skated so close to the resource edge that they cared greatly about my "battery" services.
Biggest issue there is that ppl stand in fire and are stage 4 vamp, followed by the fight taking too long because no one kills the adds that prevent the boss taking damage. Earthgore now only heals one person, you would be better off using Bogdan which is a super strong heal that procs a lot, can be used by multiple people and can be placed where you want it (once u get used to how it procs).Edited by tgrippa on January 12, 2020 2:53PMPCEU
heh.
heh.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i mean, in some situations i prefer no healer in some i prefer yes healer, and tbh i am fine with no healer as long as the dmg contribution is high enough. but seriously. the main problem in normal dungeon are dds with ice staves that keep taunting bosses. i slowed down my random normal uptake on my newly created tank, and still got one yesterday
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭tbh you can 3 dps, 1 tank all vet dungeons. So idk
True and great for when one forms their own group. I have cleared vet DLCs on HM without a dedicated healer but the fact is some players need a dedicated trinity for many normal dungeons. That is if we are truly being honest.
The fank tanks and healers are lying and TBH the fake tanks I have seen are almost fake DPS so they do not deserve to play out their rouge. After all, if they were a decent player they would easily be able to group with others.
Plain and simple, groups should just kick them
The same standard should be held to DPS who can't hit anything above 25k (which can be done by simply light attacking) - is it logical to apply a double standard to "fake tanks" and "fake healers" if we're not going to hold some sort of standard to DPS?
That is not the same standard. Not even in the same realm.
The basic standard for being a tank is to have a taunt. If they do not have a taunt or do not use it they are not even pretending to be a tank.
The basic standard for being a healer is to have a heal they can use to heal others. Without one they are clearly fake.
Without that they are fake and lying about their abilities.
What you are suggesting much more than basic dps, absurdly so. LOL, many vet trials can be done with that much dps and we are talking about dungeons which most if not all can get by with less.
But again, the simple solution to all this, the smartest solution, is form your own group. A decent enough player can get into a decent guild which makes it easy to form a group (or find groups being formed) and set your own requirements. It is what a great many of us do and allows us to avoid these petty little issues.
If you're a damage dealer and does less damage than a dedicated healer or tank, you're not fulfilling your role and I would almost consider you a fake dd due to that. You're not a DD just because your intentions are there to do damage, you've as much responsibility to fulfill the role as the tank or healer.
But then again, I'm not complaining about what role people que for with the dungeon finder, and neither should others. Deal with what you get, leave the group or make your own. That's the reality people should deal with.3 -
Sailor_Palutena✭✭✭✭Unless the group is totally hopless normal dungeons don't need healers, at least in my experience. I ran some dungeons on my low level toons with dps only groups and we managed just fine as long as we kept together and followed the mechanics.
You are missing the point totally here as well as everybody agreeing with you (who are probably fake healers).
It doesnt matter if normal dungeons doesn't need a healer. The issue is the the fake healer. A smartass who think only him/her have no time to wait in line for a dps spot. I make sure to vote kick every time i see a fake healer/tank on the group.
Also it is well known that most people who "doesnt bother" with fake healer or tanks, have a deep hate for fake dps.3 -
Sailor_Palutena✭✭✭✭
No. I don't need to accept that. I reserve my right to votekick. Its because of acceptance that these kind of bad players grow.I recommend adopting the following mindset when you queue for a random:
1) Assume you will need to be self sustaining
2) Accept that you may need to carry your group
3) don’t be a jerk about either of those1 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sailor_Palutena wrote: »
No. I don't need to accept that. I reserve my right to votekick. Its because of acceptance that these kind of bad players grow.I recommend adopting the following mindset when you queue for a random:
1) Assume you will need to be self sustaining
2) Accept that you may need to carry your group
3) don’t be a jerk about either of those
5k dps being carried by healers enabling their stupidity, or tanks saving their rears over and over when they run away from the group with one single add on their tails and start dying, just teaches them that they can keep behaving that way.
If someone runs away with adds, it they try to kite my healing, or they keep standing on 1shot stupid, I let them die. And I’m not going to res them either. They’ll learn or they’ll keep taking their dirt naps. Enabling the stupid is how terrible players grow.0 -
AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I always vote kick potato dds. Believe me, there are more of them than pseudo healers 🤣PS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat6 -
KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭KillsAllElves wrote: »All veteran dungeons can be ran with 3 dps 1 tank. Bad players will be bad players. Pro tip- dont use the group finder.
If youre running normal dungeons or veteran base game dungeons and you need a healer youre garbage!
Btw its hard to find a group as a dps in the group finder when que'd as dps.
So what? There isn’t enough healing to be done in a normal or easy vet for a full healer to be required, but you still need to be able to heal if it’s required.
My alt wears mother’s sorrow and master architect and can pull 60%+ of the group’s dps while healing. That doesn’t mean I’d go double destro, resto/lightning all the way, so if it’s required I heal.
As i said before- garbage players will always be garbage players.0 -
Eiagra✭✭✭✭✭I just solo Fungal Grotto I. *shrug* Takes a little longer, but less headache overall.██████ █████████ ███████ In verity.2 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I just did my second group run of the event -- vSC2, on my third-best templar healer (she's just Undaunted 6 and doesn't have Warhorn). Tank had low 20s in health, but held taunt. So I had a lot of healing to do. It was fun. I got skill point, basic vet achievement, HM and speed achievement on the same run. We blew no-death, however, in a trash fight with a bunch of archers.
The whole group had strong DPS, with me almost never hitting 20% of the total for any fight. Fine. Stuff died. My Combat Prayer casts were probably worthwhile. It was all good.2 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.
I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.
Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...
I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.
Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?
I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.
So it is only about damage after all...
It actually is, objectively. ESO dungeons are created like this and with so many fake dds every bit of damage helps. On the other hand, there's only a few situaions that require crushing shock, and I personally wouldnt recommend pugging vAS+poison boss anyway.
And before you start, I'm not saying that you don't need to pay attention to the mechanics etc. But dps makes a world of difference.Edited by LadyNalcarya on January 13, 2020 3:46AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.
I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.
Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...
I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.
Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?
I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.
So it is only about damage after all...
It actually is, objectively. ESO dungeons are created like this and with so many fake dds every bit of damage helps. On the other hand, there's only a few situaions that require crushing shock, and I personally wouldnt recommend pugging vAS+poison boss anyway.
And before you start, I'm not saying that you don't need to pay attention to the mechanics etc. But dps makes a world of difference.
Which proves my point about the general mentality, which is: DPS meter > all. Even though players who could do decent damage, would do so with either morphs.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭So far this event I have healed two normal PUG dungeons with my templar healer. And spent most of both dungeons doing DPS with my back bar lightning staff. No wipes, we finished quickly, those two PUG groups didn't need much healing. I kept a HOT running, and launched orbs, and then back to the lightning staff. It's all good ...
Haha this has been my experience for this event too. I've been just running normals on my healer and adding sweeps to my backbar. Even with CP500 plus players, I find I'm leading the groups (they get lost) and doing about 46% of the damage. If there is a tank with a taunt, I follow his lead. In Volenfell I even slotted a taunt and threw on a tank set, Kags and Ilambris, to reduce the "running in circles, dying time" It's good practice and even amusing on normal. I'd instakick or leave on vet though.Edited by Ryath_Waylander on January 13, 2020 5:06AM0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.
I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.
Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...
I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.
Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?
I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.
So it is only about damage after all...
It actually is, objectively. ESO dungeons are created like this and with so many fake dds every bit of damage helps. On the other hand, there's only a few situaions that require crushing shock, and I personally wouldnt recommend pugging vAS+poison boss anyway.
And before you start, I'm not saying that you don't need to pay attention to the mechanics etc. But dps makes a world of difference.
Which proves my point about the general mentality, which is: DPS meter > all. Even though players who could do decent damage, would do so with either morphs.
Yeah, but why would they suddenly have to re-morph it to pug? Doesnt make sense to me. Randomly spamming interrupt doesnt make you a team player.
And it's not about players mentality. I've said this already, but the game is very dps-centric when it comes to group content. Blame the developers if you don't like it, I'm personally not a fan of it either, but that's how it is.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just solo Fungal Grotto I. *shrug* Takes a little longer, but less headache overall.
I completely agree-- and I don't mind that it takes (a lot) longer, because I like to loot every container and kill every little MOB, whereas it seems like any DPS players I've ever grouped with just want to do a speed run of a dungeon and skip past as much as can be skipped and still get credit for completing it.
It's depressing that whenever you see these threads about "fake this" and "fake that," it's nearly always DPS players who are complaining about tanks or healers. And reading through this thread, I see people complaining about other players who aren't fulfilling their roles, or who are behaving selfishly in the group instead of thinking of the group-- yet these same people can't seem to take a step back from their own behavior and see how they themselves are being selfish by demanding that the group speed run through the dungeon as quickly as possible, and failing their groups by wanting to run off and leave the rest of the group behind. Such hypocrisy.Edited by SeaGtGruff on January 13, 2020 5:50AMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.
I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.
Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...
I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.
Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?
I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.
So it is only about damage after all...
It actually is, objectively. ESO dungeons are created like this and with so many fake dds every bit of damage helps. On the other hand, there's only a few situaions that require crushing shock, and I personally wouldnt recommend pugging vAS+poison boss anyway.
And before you start, I'm not saying that you don't need to pay attention to the mechanics etc. But dps makes a world of difference.
Which proves my point about the general mentality, which is: DPS meter > all. Even though players who could do decent damage, would do so with either morphs.
Yeah, but why would they suddenly have to re-morph it to pug? Doesnt make sense to me. Randomly spamming interrupt doesnt make you a team player.
And it's not about players mentality. I've said this already, but the game is very dps-centric when it comes to group content. Blame the developers if you don't like it, I'm personally not a fan of it either, but that's how it is.
They can keep the "suboptimal" morphs, remorph is not needed for those who are capable, that's how it actually is. I am not blaiming the developers, because there is no need for it in this case. It's peer pressure by players who make it seem, as if there is no other way and you are reinforcing that illusion.Edited by Kelces on January 13, 2020 6:31AMYou reveal yourself best in how you play.
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danara✭✭✭I mean... if the game let us be relevant again...maybe people would stop queing as healer when they are not ?
If you cant stay alive on non dlc vet hm it s mostly not a healer problem just because every thing one shot you...
We are useless in most content, even in so trials you can do it with one dude playing as a semin healer semi dps...
Right now the current solution to every thing is to bring more fire power... Most of damage just one shot you, and i dont know for others healer but after 6 years playing as one, i cant heal through one shot mechanics...
A solution could be to reduce the amount of damage provided by aoe or else, but to increase the amount of these damage source, in my opinion!
With the dps centred gameplay of ESO right now, your group is winning if you have 1 tank and 3 dd more than if you have a healer...1 -
danara✭✭✭TirantLoBlanch wrote: »Thereare no thing as "FAke dps". There are BAD DPS (As there are very bad tanks and healers too). No one wants to wait hurs to fake a dps, there is no reason, no ebenfit. And obviously there are no fake dps because your motivation to fake roles is not to help the others to do teh dungeon ffaster, is to help uurlself to skip the queue. Period.
It s not uncommon to have one dd that have less dps than me as a full healer build, so yes, fake dps exist...
Just take wall of element + maelstrom staff and spam LA and you have more than 12k dps x)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.
I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.
Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...
I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.
Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?
I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.
So it is only about damage after all...
It actually is, objectively. ESO dungeons are created like this and with so many fake dds every bit of damage helps. On the other hand, there's only a few situaions that require crushing shock, and I personally wouldnt recommend pugging vAS+poison boss anyway.
And before you start, I'm not saying that you don't need to pay attention to the mechanics etc. But dps makes a world of difference.
Which proves my point about the general mentality, which is: DPS meter > all. Even though players who could do decent damage, would do so with either morphs.
Yeah, but why would they suddenly have to re-morph it to pug? Doesnt make sense to me. Randomly spamming interrupt doesnt make you a team player.
And it's not about players mentality. I've said this already, but the game is very dps-centric when it comes to group content. Blame the developers if you don't like it, I'm personally not a fan of it either, but that's how it is.
They can keep the "suboptimal" morphs, remorph is not needed for those who are capable, that's how it actually is. I am not blaiming the developers, because there is no need for it in this case. It's peer pressure by players who make it seem, as if there is no other way and you are reinforcing that illusion.
Those who are capable can just bash the mob when its channeling something. It's weird that you chose this very situational thing instead of something like mystic orbs (since not every pug healer will run them).
But anyway. I've been playing as healer for years, and I'm pretty sure that low dps drastically reduces group's chances of success and this is not an illusion. And I don't think there's any peer pressure when it comes to dps in pugs. Can't expect the majority of players to have addons and practice their rotations.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Kahmel✭✭✭i cant remember the last time i queued as dps on my dps i always queue as a healer even on vDLC and havent had any problems or complaints cus even with 3 dps i usually pull 50%+ of the dps so things die before anyone asks "do we have a healer?"
on a side-note ive recently taken up tanking and i MUCH prefer fake healers2