this undaunted event has a rise in fake healers.

Commancho · January 2020

DLM wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

seems people are falsely queuing as roles they cant fufill, got into black heart haven only to have the crown turn out to be a fake healer with no interest in keeping any of us alive.

Depends what no interest means.

Yesterday I had this DPS running ahead all the time, on trash and bosses. After 5 minutes I decided that I had enough of running after him and stuck with the tank and other DPS while he was dieing. Then the insults came in: I was the worst healer in the world because I wasn't keeping Mr-Look-At-My-(carried)-Rare-Titles alive.

Because thats what you do when you and your team is experienced. You pull all the trash since most of DOTs are AOE abilities and why use AOE on single mobs if you can kill 20 of them in the same ammount of time? He only made mistake of overestimating his teammates. Thats why I run a proper self-healing and shields on my DDs in PUGs and I lower my DPS roof on purpose by the occasion.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

BeamsForDemacia wrote: »

then u have to leave every second dungeon cuz u will get a fake dd

It takes 1 look at CMX to realize who is who. I'm fine if regular dd has so-so dps (with exception of vDLC dungeons), especially if they are low CP and I will try to carry them, explain mechanics etc. But if somebody dared to go as fake healer, he should be a good dps. Otherwise he is just *** with whom I don't want to play with no matter if it will cost me queue time. There always something to do in this game, quests, fishing, surveys, renewing sale lists etc...

central_scrutinizer · January 2020

DLM wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

seems people are falsely queuing as roles they cant fufill, got into black heart haven only to have the crown turn out to be a fake healer with no interest in keeping any of us alive.

Depends what no interest means.

Yesterday I had this DPS running ahead all the time, on trash and bosses. After 5 minutes I decided that I had enough of running after him and stuck with the tank and other DPS while he was dieing. Then the insults came in: I was the worst healer in the world because I wasn't keeping Mr-Look-At-My-(carried)-Rare-Titles alive.

I'd laugh at him for not being able to handle his pulls.
If you run ahead you should have some idea of what you're up to. Begging for heals while trying and failing to solo is just ridiculous/hilarious.

BeamsForDemacia · January 2020

ok yeah i kinda agree with that, if someone is fake heal he should be at least a decent dd and not just get completely carried,

Kelces · January 2020

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.

I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.

Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...

I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.

Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?

Michaelkeir · January 2020

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

seems people are falsely queuing as roles they cant fufill, got into black heart haven only to have the crown turn out to be a fake healer with no interest in keeping any of us alive. really getting on my nerves cos it us who can actually heal a bad name cos every one decides we must be fake. at least when I que as a healer I can fufill that role, and do my best to keep everybody alive instead of looting and refusing to actually help.

Sounds like some people are in a group with one of them being a tank healer... and their buddy takes healer slot as a dps...

Wait? No one else besides me doing that? lolz

I've been BOSS handling vet hard mode dungeons on my Breton Warden Ice Mage tank healer. Most fun and EZ mode I've had in a long time

Hey what sets are you running on that warden Ice Mage tank? I'm thinking about making one.

tgrippa · January 2020

U can run that dungeon with 4dds. Play mechs and follow damage cues to avoid “standing in red”.

MellowMagic · January 2020

I was helping a bunch of newbies in my guild power level the other day and I que as a fake healer cause lower level players are almost always dders. I main a stamplar and I use RoR in my rotation which is more then enough heals for normal. Eventully the fake tank I was helping had to go so it was just me and 2 lower level dders. We get paired with some inexperienced tank who immediately gets mad at me for running ahead and melting mobs and was hate whispering me to "play my role". Some people just want a dungeon to take an hour so they can feel important while they clear it. To those people - play veteran please.

Frozen_Heart246 · January 2020

who needs healer in dungeon anyway?

Huyen · January 2020

Group finder broke down again today.

Kahnak · January 2020

MellowMagic wrote: »

I was helping a bunch of newbies in my guild power level the other day and I que as a fake healer cause lower level players are almost always dders. I main a stamplar and I use RoR in my rotation which is more then enough heals for normal. Eventully the fake tank I was helping had to go so it was just me and 2 lower level dders. We get paired with some inexperienced tank who immediately gets mad at me for running ahead and melting mobs and was hate whispering me to "play my role". Some people just want a dungeon to take an hour so they can feel important while they clear it. To those people - play veteran please.

Some people just want others to perform the role that they signed up for, because they are performing their designated role. That's not an unreasonable expectation. I'll concede that you can probably blow through a normal dungeon without standard roles with no issues, but pretending that people only have role expectations because they are self important is a gross generalization. Regardless, you're the one not playing the game the way it was meant to be played, not the person who queued as a tank that is prepared to play tank.

idk · January 2020

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes as a healer I ran into fake tanks and fake dps all day but what can ya do but drop out or just stick it out.

Form your own group. It is easy to do and one can help better ensure a decent group. Even more so since decent players tend to be in guilds with decent players.

luen79rwb17_ESO · January 2020

Full healers on base game dungeons are a waste of a slot. You're better off slotting self heals of having the healer dude slot just a hot and st heal and focus on DPSing. On the contrary you're just gonna waste everybody's time.

TequilaFire · January 2020

The fact that you don't need a healer says a lot about how face roll easy most of the dungeons are.

MellowMagic · January 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

I was helping a bunch of newbies in my guild power level the other day and I que as a fake healer cause lower level players are almost always dders. I main a stamplar and I use RoR in my rotation which is more then enough heals for normal. Eventully the fake tank I was helping had to go so it was just me and 2 lower level dders. We get paired with some inexperienced tank who immediately gets mad at me for running ahead and melting mobs and was hate whispering me to "play my role". Some people just want a dungeon to take an hour so they can feel important while they clear it. To those people - play veteran please.

Some people just want others to perform the role that they signed up for, because they are performing their designated role. That's not an unreasonable expectation. I'll concede that you can probably blow through a normal dungeon without standard roles with no issues, but pretending that people only have role expectations because they are self important is a gross generalization. Regardless, you're the one not playing the game the way it was meant to be played, not the person who queued as a tank that is prepared to play tank.

Ok but "playing the way it's meant to be played" means making it take 30 times longer, since the other dds were level like 15. I agree when its veteran content that calls for each role but to send hate whispers because you dont get to do alot of tanking cause the mobs are being melted is ridiculous and I dont see how I'm generalizing anything I just brought up an experience I'm not saying this applys to every tank? The tank had cleared the dungeon and quest before I asked, so it was literally so he could feel useful. I'm not gunna slow down the xp for my guildies so some dude can feel important.

The_Drop_Bear · January 2020

wolfbone wrote: »

seems people are falsely queuing as roles they cant fufill, got into black heart haven only to have the crown turn out to be a fake healer with no interest in keeping any of us alive. really getting on my nerves cos it us who can actually heal a bad name cos every one decides we must be fake. at least when I que as a healer I can fufill that role, and do my best to keep everybody alive instead of looting and refusing to actually help.

You don't exactly need a healer for black heart haven

Royaji · January 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

I was helping a bunch of newbies in my guild power level the other day and I que as a fake healer cause lower level players are almost always dders. I main a stamplar and I use RoR in my rotation which is more then enough heals for normal. Eventully the fake tank I was helping had to go so it was just me and 2 lower level dders. We get paired with some inexperienced tank who immediately gets mad at me for running ahead and melting mobs and was hate whispering me to "play my role". Some people just want a dungeon to take an hour so they can feel important while they clear it. To those people - play veteran please.

Regardless, you're the one not playing the game the way it was meant to be played

But the motto is "Play how you want".

LadyNalcarya · January 2020

Kelces wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.

I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.

Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...

I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.

Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?

I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.

KMarble · January 2020

Anotherone773 wrote: »

A lot of people say " you dont need healers for X because self heal" Just imagine if if we lived in a world where DPS focused on DPS and healers focused on healing, and...and... tanks focused on tanking?

Then when people got to harder content they would have learned to ... to.... work.as.a.team. instead of " 4 solo dudes soloing a dungeon together separately. And...and people who are trying to learn to heal and who are trying to learn to tank and who are trying to learn to dps as part of a group...

CAN ACTUALLY LEARN! and then we dont have to whine about them on the forums later about how they failed to "git gud" for our toxic vet dungeon pugs.

I healed several dungeons last night on normal and in a few of them i was doing 40 to 60% of the heals as the healer. Meanwhile i was doing 30% of the dps because i had to pick up the slack of the people who were fricking healing instead of killing stuff.

If only we all did our proper roles in a dungeon....

I'm not the best DPS, in fact many players would say I'm just mediocre, so when I get into group content I go in with a group mentality and try to do what is best for the group - heals go to the tank first and I only expect the healer to pay attention to me if no one else needs help.

I'm not always in a position where the healer can heal and/or buff me, and that's just fine because that's the way I play and if I take damage it was my fault. For that reason I slot self heals.

Kahnak · January 2020

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.

I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.

Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...

I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.

Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?

I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.

Yep, considering that the average pug probably isn't using addons, they most definitely aren't staring at their DPS meter.

Heimpai · January 2020

I was told to que as a tank/healer to get the skill points on normal for my Warden but never did..and since que for dd's during my time is over an hour I just don't do pve..

Sucks that I feel like doing the right thing, means I'll never get undaunted lvl'd

KMarble · January 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

A lot of people say " you dont need healers for X because self heal" Just imagine if if we lived in a world where DPS focused on DPS and healers focused on healing, and...and... tanks focused on tanking?

Then when people got to harder content they would have learned to ... to.... work.as.a.team. instead of " 4 solo dudes soloing a dungeon together separately. And...and people who are trying to learn to heal and who are trying to learn to tank and who are trying to learn to dps as part of a group...

CAN ACTUALLY LEARN! and then we dont have to whine about them on the forums later about how they failed to "git gud" for our toxic vet dungeon pugs.

I healed several dungeons last night on normal and in a few of them i was doing 40 to 60% of the heals as the healer. Meanwhile i was doing 30% of the dps because i had to pick up the slack of the people who were fricking healing instead of killing stuff.

If only we all did our proper roles in a dungeon....

We have different opinions on the matter, especially the part where the group dps is low because they self heal. Also on my dungeon tank guess what i am focused on? Healing and resources for group.

Yes my opinion is roles are there for a reason. And your opinion is that roles are more of a gentle suggestion?

I just got done tanking FG1 on a level 40 DK. The healer was decent.. i didnt die. I did 40-60% of the damage again with sword and board. I am pretty sure the healer was doing at least a third of the damage. The two dps were horrible and around level 40 as well. The healer was busy keeping one alive most of the time who seemed to have about 4k hp and im pretty sure was naked but had a costume on to hide it. The other dps im not for sure if they actually participated all that much.

The healer and i could have stuck to our roles and forced the dps to git gud. We could have helped them improve, but we didnt. Normal dungeons are gravy and you dont need a tank or healer, tbh.We are just going to pass them right on up the ladder to DLCs and then to vet dungeons.

Then all the condescending "git gud" peeps who whine and moan about people not learning to do DPS HEAL TANK can be bitter over it.

Those "easy" dungeons are their to help people learn how to perform a specific role in a group. We( all of us) enable them with carries and kicks and we pay for it later when we really have to work and even struggle to carry on the harder content. Then we get annoyed because something takes to long or because we cant seem to get people who can do the content or we cant even get people who will attempt the content because we have already created a toxic environment for them with bitterness about them not going to ESO school of end game.

ESO has one of the most toxic communities to new players of any game i have ever played. Everyone whines and cries about new players but when you mention something about helping them improve they say" youtube and alcast!" People dont want to learn to play a video game on youtube and reading a website. They want to experience the game and learn while playing.

This community is just extremely lazy and selfish when it comes to new players and they dont realize they cut off their nose in spite of their face. So lets keep ignoring roles and game mechanics and carrying everyone through dungeons so they dont learn anything. Ill buy us a box of Kleenex for when they hit vet dungeons and do 6k dps.

Speak for yourself i pug vDLC a lot and and two days ago i completed vSCP with total noobie group of 2 sub 400 cp and 1 600 cp that none of them knew mechanics. It took a bit longer but it was more fun. As i said, lets agree to disagree. Since my opinion is basically that every player needs to bring as much as he can to the group, with the base line of his role.

From the way I understood the post you're replying to, the poster wasn't referring to learning mechanics, they were talking about learning to play - as in which skills to slot and when to use them, how to behave inside a dungeon (never get ahead of the tank, never stay behind the healer kind of thing).

There are players out there who don't know how or when to block, for example. Some of them are new to the game, some of them have been playing since the game launched but never bothered, or were afraid, to go into group content.

If people don't know what they could do, they can't bring as much as they could to the group.

JumpmanLane · January 2020

I unno the event sucks. I just solo FG1 get the big loot and on to other things.

ForzaRammer · January 2020

Michaelkeir wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

seems people are falsely queuing as roles they cant fufill, got into black heart haven only to have the crown turn out to be a fake healer with no interest in keeping any of us alive. really getting on my nerves cos it us who can actually heal a bad name cos every one decides we must be fake. at least when I que as a healer I can fufill that role, and do my best to keep everybody alive instead of looting and refusing to actually help.

Sounds like some people are in a group with one of them being a tank healer... and their buddy takes healer slot as a dps...

Wait? No one else besides me doing that? lolz

I've been BOSS handling vet hard mode dungeons on my Breton Warden Ice Mage tank healer. Most fun and EZ mode I've had in a long time

Hey what sets are you running on that warden Ice Mage tank? I'm thinking about making one.

All half decent or better warden tanks are in a sense ice mage, warden’s main selfheal is polar wind, which is very much an ice ability. In fact you’d be very anti meta to not use ice ability.

azjuwelz · January 2020

Heimpai wrote: »

I was told to que as a tank/healer to get the skill points on normal for my Warden but never did..and since que for dd's during my time is over an hour I just don't do pve..

Sucks that I feel like doing the right thing, means I'll never get undaunted lvl'd

So all you need to do is be prepared to play that role. Wardens are easy in that regard--slot a couple healing skills from the Green skill line, use Fetcher and Shalks to debuff the boss, and tada! You're a healer.

For queuing as tank, have a taunt and be able to survive the boss being in your face and hitting you. Again, Warden has some easy class skills under the frost/ice line.

My Warden is a healer but when pugging, I slot Northern Storm in case the groups needs more dps, and happily since the warden dots are also debuffs, I use them as well. I just switch between destro/restro as needed.

To everyone else, I agree with Varanais--just be prepared to play your role. I have a pvp stamDK that I'm leveling right now. I wanted to level her Undaunted, so I stuck some skill points into Piercing Armor and the dk chains, practiced tanking on a few world bosses, and have been doing just fine as a tank for normal dungeons. I'm not a fabulous tank, but I taunt, debuff, stay alive and at least try to manage the adds.

If you can't play the role, don't pick it. Simple.

Kelces · January 2020

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Kelces wrote: »

It seems, it's always the same response one gets from opening a thread like this: "hey, I did this with only dps!" or "I can solo vet Dungeons!" etc.

I play every role and I get those statements and I managed to do similar things and it can be a nice challenge, but that's not the point of this game.

Teamplay, which is what both the tank and healer role are about, compared to DPS is discouraged on a wide basis. So much for PvE not being problematic, or even toxic at times. I think, that speaks volumes...

I wouldn't say that teamplay is discouraged, it is actually required for dlc content.
It's just hard to find it in pugs.

Well, I am. Review the comments and see what is being said...
Since DPS is only looking on their meter - I rarely see them revive others or use tactical morphs like "venom arrow" or "crushing shock" - what else should I think of it?

I don't think that average pug is looking at their dps meter at all, if they cared about it, fake dd problem would've been solved. It's not always their fault, of course - group content in ESO is very dps-focused but at the same time the game doesn't tell that to new players and doesn't teach them.
And yes, there are a few instances where crushing shock is nice to have, but it's unwise to remorph your poison injection just for interrupts when you are just doing a quick random normal to get event tickets.

So it is only about damage after all...

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2020

at leas theres a drop in fake tanks!

jm42 · January 2020

I think just everyone now is queuing as a heal (smartboizz u know), because I can't get random normal on my heal at all (50+ mins wait). so I do dungeons on DD, surreal

Tryxus · January 2020

Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »

who needs healer in dungeon anyway?

You'd be surprised. I've seen plenty of DPS that were made out of paper, the occasional fake tank and other crazy stuff (that I must never speak of)

They def needed a healer.. or another form of help

Royaji · January 2020

Tryxus wrote: »

Frozen_Heart246 wrote: »

who needs healer in dungeon anyway?

You'd be surprised. I've seen plenty of DPS that were made out of paper, the occasional fake tank and other crazy stuff (that I must never speak of)

They def needed a healer.. or another form of help

I'd say three pills of "L2P" daily, after food. And one "gitgud" before going to bed. Maybe some "don't-stay-in-red" infusion for the worst cases.

Should get the job done better than any kind of healer.