TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Because I want to level it while I'm running around. Why does it matter what staff I use or why I'm using it?

You could slot a skill and level the line if you needed to. No need to be using a resto and actively be casting heals in a dungeon/raid

...why would they slot a skill they can't use when they can instead equip a resto staff on their back bar and put class skills on it? You don't need weapon skills slotted to level a weapon line - you just need it equipped. Plus, resto backbar can help with magicka recovery.

Cirantille wrote: »

Can anyone show a link to a build where lightning staff is used in rotation?

I am serious, I actually like lightning staff while soloing stuff. But when I tried my dps got lower significantly.
How do you manage it?

Magsorc btw

@Cirantille Lightning is never going to be as good as Inferno for single target DPS. That being said there are fights where AoE is important. Here’s an example of a Lightning build that is fun and effective, but I wouldn’t call it meta: https://www.esologs.com/reports/1pXYZ3mfKcrLv7QG#fight=39&type=summary&source=3

Edit: Balorghs is bad for 99% of content. Just decent for a couple niche fights like the Navi shown. Replace it with any other monster helm for most things.

Because they don't like to have more dmg/dps with destro passives and something like concussion/burn/off balance on their enemies.
Same issue why some healers slot double healstaff, some tanks double s'n'b or froststaff, ... list can go on.

-> It's not awful, just bad. And if you do bad things you should feel bad.
-> Active selfheal (except maybe some sort of panic vigor as stam) is somehow an insult to your tanks/heal in grp because you dont trust them doing their job properly. There are some encounters/mechanics where you have to ofc. Talking about 99% of the game/grp content.
-> Healing as a DD will decrease your dmg output, that's not a possibility but 100% granted. Skill GCD are no imagination.

This is all from a grp content POV (with some positive results, like finishing vet dungeons with achievments, in mind). Solo, do whatever you want, nobody cares, just be happy.

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Why are lightening staves not for dps?

@O_LYKOS Mostly because Lightning Wall doesn’t get the Flame Wall’s 20% bonus damage against Burning enemies. With an Inferno Staff both Wall and Light Attacks can also get a 10% damage increase from a DK using Engulfing Flames, but there is no equivalent debuff for more Shock Damage (there should be, please ZOS). Even for a Sorc with 5% increased Shock damage it doesn’t come close to the 30% extra on Fire.

There is also the issue of Inferno’s 8% boost to single target vs Lightning’s 8% boost to AoE, but comparing these is highly dependent on build, so no universal statements can be made for this passive. The Inferno will make Light Attacks hit 8% harder (on top of the 10% from Engulfing), and for most of the high end DPS builds Light Attacks make up a large % of DPS.

Lightning has a better heavy attack, nobody denies that, but heavy attack builds do not pull competitive DPS (it’s passable for some content, but objectively lower than Light Attack builds). Lightning Wall also has the bonus effect of causing off-balance, but one healer or tank can take care of this, so all the DD’s can use the superior Inferno Staff.

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Why are lightening staves not for dps?

@O_LYKOS Mostly because Lightning Wall doesn’t get the Flame Wall’s 20% bonus damage against Burning enemies. With an Inferno Staff both Wall and Light Attacks can also get a 10% damage increase from a DK using Engulfing Flames, but there is no equivalent debuff for more Shock Damage (there should be, please ZOS). Even for a Sorc with 5% increased Shock damage it doesn’t come close to the 30% extra on Fire.

There is also the issue of Inferno’s 8% boost to single target vs Lightning’s 8% boost to AoE, but comparing these is highly dependent on build, so no universal statements can be made for this passive. The Inferno will make Light Attacks hit 8% harder (on top of the 10% from Engulfing), and for most of the high end DPS builds Light Attacks make up a large % of DPS.

Lightning has a better heavy attack, nobody denies that, but heavy attack builds do not pull competitive DPS (it’s passable for some content, but objectively lower than Light Attack builds). Lightning Wall also has the bonus effect of causing off-balance, but one healer or tank can take care of this, so all the DD’s can use the superior Inferno Staff.

Thank you for clarifying. So on my nightblade DD i should switch to two flames but i'm ok with my lightning on my healers.

I run destro/Resto because it fits my play style as a hybrid healer/dps.

O_LYKOS wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Why are lightening staves not for dps?

@O_LYKOS Mostly because Lightning Wall doesn’t get the Flame Wall’s 20% bonus damage against Burning enemies. With an Inferno Staff both Wall and Light Attacks can also get a 10% damage increase from a DK using Engulfing Flames, but there is no equivalent debuff for more Shock Damage (there should be, please ZOS). Even for a Sorc with 5% increased Shock damage it doesn’t come close to the 30% extra on Fire.

There is also the issue of Inferno’s 8% boost to single target vs Lightning’s 8% boost to AoE, but comparing these is highly dependent on build, so no universal statements can be made for this passive. The Inferno will make Light Attacks hit 8% harder (on top of the 10% from Engulfing), and for most of the high end DPS builds Light Attacks make up a large % of DPS.

Lightning has a better heavy attack, nobody denies that, but heavy attack builds do not pull competitive DPS (it’s passable for some content, but objectively lower than Light Attack builds). Lightning Wall also has the bonus effect of causing off-balance, but one healer or tank can take care of this, so all the DD’s can use the superior Inferno Staff.

Thank you for clarifying. So on my nightblade DD i should switch to two flames but i'm ok with my lightning on my healers.

@O_LYKOS Yes, that is the best way to do it.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Wait, am I a DD toon with a resto bar or a healer with a dd bar..?

If your destro is front bar you are DD with resto. If your front bar is resto then you are a healer with a DD bar. BUT...

If you have destro on the front bar and heal gear with resto on the back bar, then you are a hybrid healer that moonlights as a DPS. And if you have resto on the front bar with DPS gear and destro on the back bar then you are a hybrid DD moonlighting as...

....
* 2 hrs and 49 minutes
* 18,248 words
* 27 graphs
* 11 pie charts
* 4 spreadsheets
* 1 bathroom break
* and an 18 minute short film later....

...In conclusion, its not about how we are equipped, but how we use it. As i explained using graph 5C, as we make our box smaller and smaller, there is less room to use our staff. So we really need to stop trying to put ourselves in boxes and just let our staves fly free and shine bright!

Lol you have a point. Still a DPS should try to avoid a back bar Resto if they have access to a vMA destro and/or Infused Berserker on back bar. Honestly even healers should avoid back bar Resto most of the time, since back bar Wall and Ele Drain are important for healers too. Front bar doesn’t matter as much because most Destro active and passive skills are pretty weak anyway.

I fail to see why it is any of my beeswax what any other player chooses for arms or armor. They may be role playing or leveling a skill. Perchance they are a completionist. They are enjoying playing the game their way. More power to them!

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

SpiderKnight wrote: »

Neoealth wrote: »

Wait, what? Lightning staves are not for dps?

Op is from xbox, they're confused.

Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.

Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!

fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
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Aoes are not as significant a contributor to DPS as single target abilities are. You gain more by using an inferno and buffing single target damage. Even in fights that have multiple targets. And no. Your lightning staff toting sorc doesn't have off balance and concussion up all the time have because they havea fairly long cool down. But hey play as you want and all that.

as a mDK, I can tell you that a lit staff + livewire or a shock glyph is quite useful in PvP: blockade + unrelenting grip = a free lash proc with having to spend almost 10% of your magicka in foss, while doing some decent AoE unblockable dmg

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

This is genuinely baffling. What could compel you to do something like that? There are no skills that deal damage under the Resto skill line. What could possibly make you think that this is a good idea? I could somewhat understand being tricked into believing that lightning staves are for DPS because of them being destros. But not restos. Come on

could be a healer that is soloing.

I would assume that they're conflating group PvE and all PvE. Outside of group PvE nobody in PvE really cares.