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Why do so many DPS use Restos in PVE?
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is as consistent as burning.
Historically overland lightning has worked just fine. Even beyond just overland.
Most players do not update their build and really do not need to as most players do not push hard content, they just ESO and chill.
This thread is one of the most bizarre I've seen on these forums in years... folk actually arguing that Lightning staffs are not for deeps is ... well its bizarre.
Goodness knows how I manage to do all those vet dungeons, vet trials, vet arenas etc, using a Lightning staff and kicking out the dps I do.30 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!
fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
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Aoes are not as significant a contributor to DPS as single target abilities are. You gain more by using an inferno and buffing single target damage. Even in fights that have multiple targets. And no. Your lightning staff toting sorc doesn't have off balance and concussion up all the time have because they havea fairly long cool down. But hey play as you want and all that.1 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!
fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
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Aoes are not as significant a contributor to DPS as single target abilities are. You gain more by using an inferno and buffing single target damage. Even in fights that have multiple targets. And no. Your lightning staff toting sorc doesn't have off balance and concussion up all the time have because they havea fairly long cool down. But hey play as you want and all that.
Only off balance has a cool downBawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA6 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The number of times I have been last one standing as DPS, even in a trial... sorry, I'm holding onto my Restoration Staff. Healers can't always get to everyone and accidents happen.Edited by Dusk_Coven on January 9, 2020 4:47PM3 -
mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭i use lightning stave on pet sorc heavy attack. Almost 40k (3kk dummy self buff). All damage is AoE outside of pets basic attacks. Very nice in PUG dungeons when most of DDs are single target.10 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!
fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
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Aoes are not as significant a contributor to DPS as single target abilities are. You gain more by using an inferno and buffing single target damage. Even in fights that have multiple targets. And no. Your lightning staff toting sorc doesn't have off balance and concussion up all the time have because they havea fairly long cool down. But hey play as you want and all that.
Saying "all the time" was a turn of phrase, not a literal statement.
Obviously single target damage stacked will do more than aoe damage, on a single target. But ESO isnt just about doing single target damage. It all depends on ones build and playstyle etc, as you say, play as you want...
But folk should not argue that Lightning staffs are not for dps or that folk get "tricked" into using them for dps, cos anyone doing that just looks a bit silly. Thats whats peaked my interest.
.Edited by Grianasteri on January 9, 2020 5:00PM12 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!
fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
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Aoes are not as significant a contributor to DPS as single target abilities are. You gain more by using an inferno and buffing single target damage. Even in fights that have multiple targets. And no. Your lightning staff toting sorc doesn't have off balance and concussion up all the time have because they havea fairly long cool down. But hey play as you want and all that.
Saying "all the time" was a turn of phrase, not a literal statement.
Obviously single target damage stacked will do more than aoe damage, on a single target. But ESO isnt just about doing single target damage. It all depends on ones build and playstyle etc, as you say, play as you want...
But folk should not argue that Lightning staffs are not for dps or that folk get "tricked" into using them for dps, cos anyone doing that just looks a bit silly. Thats whats peaked my interest.
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I'd call it a trick yea. Because the tooltip is deceptive and makes lightning staves seem more beneficial than they actually are. So like I said, I could understand why so many dps are still using lightning staves and why so many people hopped in the thread to defend them so vociferous. They honestly don't know better. But at the end of the day it is what it is.TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Aoe damage does not contribute to dps apparently... who knew!
fyi, I have concussion/off balance up all the time on my magsorc.
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Aoes are not as significant a contributor to DPS as single target abilities are. You gain more by using an inferno and buffing single target damage. Even in fights that have multiple targets. And no. Your lightning staff toting sorc doesn't have off balance and concussion up all the time have because they havea fairly long cool down. But hey play as you want and all that.
Only off balance has a cool down
Fair enough.Edited by TheGreatBlackBear on January 9, 2020 5:23PM1 -
Diminish✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »
Funny, I double bar lightning staves all the time on multiple DD characters... The people with restos are probably on PvP characters.Edited by Diminish on January 9, 2020 5:55PM4 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭98% sure they’re players new to dps, and that you don’t need a resto staff to stay alive. I know I started dpsing with a resto staff. They just need time and experience!"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power0 -
thadjarvis✭✭✭✭Lightning staff is not a useless damage weapon. It's for AOE, and encounters that's more important. If you flip gear often within an instance they are great in fact. As an example, there is a 2019 video out there of 1 stam, 2 mag unchained group in which both mags were running a lighting staff with all AOE skills.
IMO in dungeons it often makes runs smoother and faster if one of the 3 non-tanks goes almost fully AOE (DSA 2h, lightning, etc.)4 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is as consistent as burning.
Historically overland lightning has worked just fine. Even beyond just overland.
Most players do not update their build and really do not need to as most players do not push hard content, they just ESO and chill.
This thread is one of the most bizarre I've seen on these forums in years... folk actually arguing that Lightning staffs are not for deeps is ... well its bizarre.
Goodness knows how I manage to do all those vet dungeons, vet trials, vet arenas etc, using a Lightning staff and kicking out the dps I do.
True. There are players who could use a lightning staff and out dps many who talk smack about it. Player skill has a much greater impact than gear. Granted, someone will challenge that statement using a plague doctor tank build but lets be real.5 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All you lightning staff haters better get out there and create your own builds.
https://xynodegaming.com/easysorc/
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/
Says the part of community that copy pastes these builds...1 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All you lightning staff haters better get out there and create your own builds.
https://xynodegaming.com/easysorc/
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/
Says the part of community that copy pastes these builds...
This is a non meta HEAVY ATTACK PET SORC BUILD, if you are looking for the META SORC BUILD, check out the MYSTIC Sorcerer Build.5 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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PvP builds, overland against world bosses and dragons, leveling builds for an lvl 20 that would be bis.DocFrost72 wrote: »TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »SpiderKnight wrote: »
Lightning staves are not an effective DPS weapon because the increase aoe damage by 8% as opposed to inferno which increases single target damage. Surely that's not changed on whatever platform you play on? In addition concussion and off balance is not as consistent as burning.
Sorcerers get +5% dmg from shock spells, meaning your versatility with wall of shock and lightning flood goes up due to them dealing better aoe and comparable single target. Things like vAS hm or cleaving during trash are still viable here.
Now, to answer the original question, there's a lot of reasons and some folks have already said a few.
They don't trust a healer in a pug (can relate).
They want resource return increase.
They want added utility so you can 3 dps and tank a dungeon.
They're rocking an off meta build that uses healing to buff themselves and others (think SPC with rapid regeneration and/or new springs ands strategies. Works in 3 dps 1 tank or solo very well).
They're a solo player trying group content. (Typically me).
They want magicka drain and berserk and aren't reliant on pug healers (also can relate).
I always level up resto staff on any magic build, but then I tend to queue as healer on them because shorter queue and then dial DD- healer as needed also inside dungeon, you are DD with off heal until last boss on HM who will take some time
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »Actually not really. The percentage of your DPS that comes from lightning abilities is quite low. Even on a sorc. Light attacks which do benefit from the 8% inferno buff are your single biggest source of damage.
LMAO, stop believing everything you read on the internet. There is no simple rule. This depends entirely on class and skill selection. I run Templar with Unstable Wall (from Inferno back bar), Shards/Orbs, Ritual, Barrage, Reflective, and Sweeps. ZERO single target skills. Not to mention Crescent, Nova, and DESTRO ULTI (for which lightning hits harder! - do the math). Lightning front bar is objectively superior on many builds.
So-called "DPS" running Resto are 90% PvP players who lack the common courtesy to change gear, and 10% casuals who don't know any better.Edited by Gnortranermara on January 9, 2020 10:37PM9 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I backbar restro on my sorc and use a lightening staff on front. I do this for the following reasons:
1) I dont need two bars to do 25k plus dps.
2) I dont need to do more than 25k dps.
3) Its convenient.
4) Elitists tell me i have to be able to do 8 million dps...while healing so i need a dps weapon and a healing weapon.
5) Less than 2 minute dungeon queues.
6) Because i can.
7) My mom said i could be anything i wanted when i grow up. And i wanted to be a sorc that front bars a light staff and back bars a resto staff.
8) If my heals are not good enough for you, then you should try harder at not getting hurt.
Confession of a filthy casual: If we have 3 bars, the third one would have a frost staff.18 -
Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭As long as it's not in a vet dlc dungeon, they can do whatever as long as stuff dies before a wipe mechanic.Xbox NA healer main
vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+3 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA HM | vRG HM |
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Honestly, lightning staves are BiS for:- Fewer builds than before AoEs got nerfed.
- More players who weave badly than ones who weave well.
I use lightning staves quite a bit. 0 -
TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭You lightning staff lovers are wild. I see some of the same people posting in here as the thread where it was said that end game players cheat/use macros for big numbers in parse videos. So I know I'm basically talking to the wall here here. I'm done.2 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭I run Olorime, Worm Raiment and monster with Resto and Lightning, I end up spending more time on lightning bar because of group members self-healing or bad DPS (spamming bow light attacks, hard cast frags spamming, dps with shield, etc). Spamming crystal frags from outside my heal zone seems to be the main thing atm0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I used to have a Front Bar Resto dungeon healer build that would out-DPS most people in random groups. Basically just gave access to a couple of useful healing abilities, and any class with a spammable can get by with 0 Destro skills front bar. Back bar Destro is much more important , since you need Wall there to proc Infused Berserker on cooldown. I’m not saying all DPS should do this, but it works pretty well for one hybrid DPS/healer for some content, and isn’t a much of a damage loss as you might think.
As for lightning staff, it is great for AoE, but terrible for single target. In any content with trash it’s best to swap weapons frequently. Inferno for bosses, Lightning for everything in between.0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Idk, when I was actively pugging dungeons, i don't remember single case of dps with resto stave from all the hundreds, maybe thousands of pledges. Maybe only somewhere below 50, but at that level it is irrelevant to even pay attention what group mates are doing.1 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Perhaps there are DDs out there that don't trust their dedicated Healers. A lot of Dungeon PuGs get fake Healers as well so they have to supply their own self heals, hence back baring a Rest Staff. Magic characters in PvP do a Destro/Resto setup all the time.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Jaxious79✭✭✭✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »You lightning staff lovers are wild. I see some of the same people posting in here as the thread where it was said that end game players cheat/use macros for big numbers in parse videos. So I know I'm basically talking to the wall here here. I'm done.
I bet you cant name two.10 -
Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »So-called "DPS" running Resto are 90% PvP players who lack the common courtesy to change gear, and 10% casuals who don't know any better.
Not even courtesy demands that they do. As long as the build is doing its job, and you can do that for most of the game's content even with a resto back bar, then there's little need to change gear. Players stumbling over an unfamiliar rotation will take away a lot more dps than not switching to a destro staff.Edited by Varana on January 9, 2020 10:03PM3 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I run a resto back bar on my tank in some content, especially when I get a fake healer/3 Damage dealers in dungeons.
Also use it in PVP, to surf the zergs for AP.1 -
Lady_Sleepless✭✭✭✭✭For overland you can wear whatever and get by fine. If a dps has a resto equipped in dungeons/trials you should reconsider.3
