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Why mag dps is suffering compared to stam?
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Taemiru✭✭✭Bloodraven187 wrote: »whatever you do DO NOT NERF STAM DPS! the end game pve groups are already struggling to get clears as it is with primarily stam dps groups since that is the only viable way to hit the dps requirements in MOST, not all, cases.
What "endgame" pve groups are you talking about? If everyone do around 65k damage on trail dummy you can complete every vet trial in the game, well and a bit more for some hardmodes. Hell, there have already been all magica godslayer.1 -
KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »KillsAllElves wrote: »
Im well aware of that. This is why i dont worry about spell pen asmuch as crit.
Btw stam hits harder because of medium armor passives.
Not too sure on that one, if a stam Player would parse with VO instead of lokke mag would probably hit harder or the same. Main difference for me is Twin blade and blunt and stam sets, lokke, rele, maarselok is incredibly much better than anything mag can use.
I tried so many sets and spent alot of gold on resetting CP even with perfected sets all my stam dharacters have higher dps numbers than my magic builds.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭1. No choice in weapons
2. Missing Magicka execute outside of classes (and 3 classes don’t have any execute ability at all) whereas Stamina has plenty (DW skill + passive, 2h, Bow)
3. Some Stamina sets are way stronger than their Magicka counterpartPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
BeamsForDemacia✭✭✭interesting post, all those struggling endgame pve Groups that can barely clear Trials with their mag Chars, especially cr atm seems to be impossibleIR/GH/TTT/GS [MEDUSA]1
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✭✭KillsAllElves wrote: »
I tried so many sets and spent alot of gold on resetting CP even with perfected sets all my stam dharacters have higher dps numbers than my magic builds.
Thats exactly the Point. The BIS stam sets are much stronger than the BIS mag sets. Cant get 75%+ Slayer on mag and rele 5 piece can add 10k dps on its own depending on the fight.Politeness is respecting others.
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D3N7157✭✭✭✭Make mag dps too strong and its rly hard to survive getting chased by a horde with flame staves in PVP
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DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Mag Dps has always been lower than stam Dps due to the higher risk of melee combat
The higher risk is being range then melee so what u talking about? Healing in this game in focused on healing one area so everything except melee is dead in pve content.0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Mag Dps has always been lower than stam Dps due to the higher risk of melee combat
The higher risk is being range then melee so what u talking about? Healing in this game in focused on healing one area so everything except melee is dead in pve content.
you neeed to be at same spot as mele. there is no risk of mele combat in pve and there is no mele in pvp only short range and long range due to battle spirit buff0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doubt to most of these excuses in this thread. The only difference between stamina bow/bow and stamina melee/bow is passives, skills and base 'advantages' of the chosen frontbar weapon yet generally bow/bow performs as good or worse than any meta magDPS. Thats with all the medium passives some blame, thats with all the meta sets like lokke or rele some blame.
Maybe my conclusion is still not on the mark but to me its quite obvious most of the advantage power comes from how much more weapon damage DW and 2H have with around 250-300 more base weapon damage so nearly 400 more with usual multipliers along with some bit overpowered skills and passives from time to time like current axe DoT or how enchants were full strength few patches ago or even how WB/rapids are quite unique strong spammables this patch no other weapon has anything like that.1 -
CynicK✭✭✭Yes I totaly agree with WrathOfInnos the penetration gives way more damage, my magicka sorcer is the one that always has hit the hardest, the only thing i could agree with you is that magicka skills cost more.0
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KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »KillsAllElves wrote: »
I tried so many sets and spent alot of gold on resetting CP even with perfected sets all my stam dharacters have higher dps numbers than my magic builds.
Thats exactly the Point. The BIS stam sets are much stronger than the BIS mag sets. Cant get 75%+ Slayer on mag and rele 5 piece can add 10k dps on its own depending on the fight.
You answered the question to the OPs question.0 -
TheUndeadAmulet✭✭✭✭✭The main issue that mag has is that it lacks the overpowered sets that stam gets access to. Relequens and Lokestiiz are both absurdly overpowered it's laughable that they haven't been nerfed.XBOX NA 1000+ CP
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nerf ping please0 -
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✭✭✭TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »The main issue that mag has is that it lacks the overpowered sets that stam gets access to. Relequens and Lokestiiz are both absurdly overpowered it's laughable that they haven't been nerfed.
If we're being honest Relequen is situational. You're not going to use it in trash pulls for instance.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
Chibs✭✭✭✭With the exception of a few thousand dps, mag and stam are about even, with stam coming out on top by a small margin. If we are being honest, 90% of the community sucks and isn’t in the top 1% so that extra dps won’t even matter anyway (myself included). For most players you’ll do the most dps with whatever character you’re best at. If you’re doing more dps on your stam that most likely means you aren’t as good with your mag character as you are with your stam. Get better with your magicka then. We’ve actually never seen Mag and Stam this even in the history of ever. If you believe that Stam is so far above Mag that it’s a clear and obvious major advantage, then it’s obviously a l2p issue.
you also have to keep in mind that stam should always have a bit more dps than mag because magicka has crutches to fall back on like range and shields for example.
if magicka out performed stam then there would be almost no reason to bring stam builds in trials/competitive endgame groups with the exception of a few utility abilities stam can bring.Edited by Chibs on January 8, 2020 6:28PM0