I run Earthgore on one of my Tanks.

It's nice, but isn't Earthgore more or less...dead outside some beginner 4 man? Bogdan procs more often and has no target limit, even if it's area is tiny. Even ye olde Choco-thorn is comparable now.

robpr wrote: »

It's nice, but isn't Earthgore more or less...dead outside some beginner 4 man? Bogdan procs more often and has no target limit, even if it's area is tiny. Even ye olde Choco-thorn is comparable now.

It's hard to miss its effect (the blood rain), so it's not hard to see how often it procs and yes I do see it proc often enough that it justifies its usefulness to me. I don't think 4-man or more is relevant as it no longer heals several players so it will only heal one person anyway regardless of the size of your group, nevertheless it is still a nice oh-crap life saver.

I trust my heals to be good enough that I don't need any set that makes them even more powerful. On the other hand, a tank that misses a block or a dodge, a DPS that is badly positioned and then lose 50% of their health in 1/4 second, those things happen and this set can rectify this before you even realize that a heal is needed.
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Great tanking set.

Op I use it on a pug healer and only for healing the worst pugs.
Hint: its always raining behind me, the healer.

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Why is this even a discussion? In this patch where healers are stacking spell damage and running bistat food heals are potent enough where you don't need to rely on proc sets as a crutch for 9/10 fights pug or not. Most dps have between 14k-17k health. The hots from orbs, springs, the three person morph of rapid regen is more then enough to fill a health bar in a second or two. If not there's combat prayer, breath of life enhanced growth or whatever burst heal your class has. And if for some strange reason you're completely incompetent and need a monster set to keep your group from dying the fabled "emergency heals" you guys love to talk about then Bogdan is a better bet. It heals more than one person and the one piece bonus is max mag which is better for healing strength than the comparitivly weak healing done bonus on earthgore.

If you want to wear earthgore in your groups that's fine you do you. But please don't post this nonsense on threads. New support come here looking for advice. They really don't need to be steered into becoming dead weight healbots.

Actually, this seems like mostly it's been a nice discussion, not nonsense. It's good for new (and longtime) players to hear multiple perspectives so they can think for themselves. I often get ideas for things to try by reading different viewpoints on the forums.

There are a few points you've made that I don't quite understand why they are relevant and there are a few things you've mentioned that no one has actually said.

• Stacking spell damage isn't new this patch. Healers have been doing this for a long time. There were the early years when crit used to be king, and then the period of time when the sustain bat hit in Morrowind when we didn't have the luxury of fitting in spell damage, but otherwise this is standard practice.
• Bistat foods have also been standard for a very long time.
• Nobody has said they NEED Earthgore to be an effective healer, or that they rely on it in a way that they can't keep people healed without it. We're making the point that it can be one set in your arsenal with some interesting uses.
• By the way, it isn't only on the healer to "keep group from dying." If the group wipes it doesn't necessarily mean the healer is incompetent, regardless of the monster set equipped. The healer is support but you can be the best healer in the world and if a tank misses a block or the DPS is a glass cannon and stands in red, that isn't the healer's fault or responsibility to fix, even though they sometimes can salvage the situation. It is the responsibility of all team members, together, to adjust and adapt to content so it can be conquered.
• I actually think your points about how we have so many abilities that can effectively heal people quickly supports the use of Earthgore. It's absolutely true that I can wear Skoria as a Monster Set and keep everyone alive perfectly. So, if I am an effective healer without a healing-based monster set, I sure don't need Bogdan to augment my heals, which means that's a great time to experiment with proc sets with interesting effects for fun, variety, or niche scenarios.
• There are SO MANY reasons why you, as an effective healer, might be doing a great job and still benefit from a set that specifically heals someone under 50%. The whole team might have miscalculated something, and you had to stop healing to dodge and Earthgore can proc and keep healing. You might be out of mana while a hot is running. It might be more important for you to help rez someone. You might have been asked to execute a mechanic. Choosing to slot Earthgore does not make you a dead weight healbot. Spamming heals constantly without learning your role or mechanics (or why one might use different Monster Sets in different situations!) does.

The healing monster sets I have in rotation right now for PvE are Bodgan, Symphony, Earthgore, Sentinel, and Skoria. I carry Chokethorn right now but rarely use it. (Why Skoria? It has made the difference in DPS-check fights when the DPS are decent players that understand mechanics but aren't quite top tier in terms of the numbers they are pulling. I use the extra health and the extra DPS to be a little more survivable so I can better add to the damage.)

DLM wrote: »

I don't think 4-man or more is relevant as it no longer heals several players so it will only heal one person anyway regardless of the size of your group, nevertheless it is still a nice oh-crap life saver.

I trust my heals to be good enough that I don't need any set that makes them even more powerful. On the other hand, a tank that misses a block or a dodge, a DPS that is badly positioned and then lose 50% of their health in 1/4 second, those things happen and this set can rectify this before you even realize that a heal is needed.

Interesting. That made me stop and think for a second. It's true that an oh-crap heal can be useful in any situation. I think the reason Earthgore is less useful in Trials is because a) targeting only one person out of 12 lowers the chance that it will save someone in a critical role, if multiple people are hit at the same time and b) sets like Sentinel, which can apply to "all your allies" become more powerful and have more appeal and value if 12 people can benefit instead of one.

I never wear Earthgore starting out in a trial due to this, but maybe it is good to keep in mind to swap to for a pull or fight that's very chaotic. I have temporarily swapped to it when the group is struggling with ground effects, but only a couple of times.

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Are you a new healer or something?

Not that new. But it did take me half a year or so after the launch of the game before I got around to healing my first dungeon, so there surely are people who've been doing it longer than I have. And while I've healed on all six classes, I've healed vet DLC dungeons only on templars and sorcerers.

Earthgore got nerfed. It used to mega heal multiple people within a radius, now its just a single target heal. Its terrible for group play now.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Earthgore got nerfed. It used to mega heal multiple people within a radius, now its just a single target heal. Its terrible for group play now.

I couldn't speak to raids, but it's great in dungeons. If one person loses a lot of health, Earthgore fixes the problem automagically. If two do, I can solve the problem with single-target heals on the one Earthgore doesn't cover.

I run a lot of PUGs on my healer and Earthgore has saved countless DPS who decide to get behind the healer and/or run away from the group. It is absolutely great for PUGs, imo.