LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Can vamp drain be used as a CC for a stamblade?

I'm against any cost increase which would make the skill useless for stamina characters.

Why would you? Fear is better. Or Turn Undead. You could use Drain, but the vampire drawbacks are quite severe and not worth it if you have better alternatives.

Magicka characters shouldnt be the only characters that can be vampires effectively. I hope they make 1 morph a stamina morph.

I have this feeling that the Skyrim chapter or the Q1 2020 dungeon DLC will include a vampire skill line remake.

Then shouldn't we have magicka werewolves? It's okay for vamp abilities to cost magicka. You could still go vamp on a stam character for the passives, but the drawbacks are too heavy. But the option is there.

I don't see why the drawbacks would be too heavy for Stam but not Magicka. My Dunmer NB is a vampire. She was a PVE mageblade, but has been sitting there naked and useless since the racial passive change and the mageblade nerfs. I'm switching her to heavy armour pvp stamblade.

Well, that wasn't really my own opinion. It's the general consensus of stam players that vamp weaknesses are not worth it - the same players who go ahead and cry "Vamp OP!", "Drain OP!", "Nurfnurfnurf"! I'm a bit exaggerating, of course. But you get the picture.
I personally would always go vamp, but I'm also Team Edward, so super biased. If you think vamp is worth it for your stam character, then hey, awesome! Glad to hear it!
>:3

I doubt the drain is OP. And CP PVP is just better anyway. No CP is probably the only reason why anybody has a problem with drain. The sustain in CP is waaaay better.

I designed my Dunmer NB to specifically look good with Vampirism. I wasnt going to change the way she looked just because they nerfed mageblade and changed the racial passives.
I have a character for each race and I find that more important.. each one is unique. I would have preferred if ZoS gave us class change tokens instead of race change tokens.

Another thought I had....I wish ZoS would allow vampire characters to sneak up and feed off other players in Cyrodiil.

Don't. I would be nibbling on players all day long! xD

Langeston wrote: »

Papachico wrote: »

Sneakers wrote: »

It is a channeled DoT guys. It has to do damage equal or compareable to a spammable or else people will simply never let it run its damage component.

My necro (with 15% class dot dmg + 10% from thaurma tool) tip unbuffed is like 6k at 0.7s.

DPS is then ~ 7800
12 meter range
channeled
fears for 3s

In comparison my Force pulse hits for 11k
My richochte skull 9k
My elemental weapon 9k + LA dmg (13k?)

The damage is not OP at all. It is considering things balanced.

Basically only wardens and necros use it since they lack a class CC worth its name.
Give them a class CC to pick over vamp drain and the problem is solved, without nerfing or ZOS trying to solve the server -> client de synchs in Cyro (never gonna happen game is basically 1 threaded and de synchs will happen with netcode in such an environment/engine).

Let me correct you there. The drain hits 5x in a duration of 3 seconds, just check your combat reports or in most cases your death recap. This means that the damage of the drain with a 6k tooltip = 5 x 6k = 30k. This means 30k damage over 3 seconds = 10k DPS. Taking into account that this skills also stuns you on the initial hit and is buggy to break free we can conclude that it is overperforming. But hey during the DoT meta dot's weren't overperforming aswell right.

I'm fairly certain it's only 3 ticks with Invigorating Drain and 4 ticks with Accelerating Drain.

In any case, I get hit by this skill all the time & I barely even notice it. Ithink I've only been killed by it maybe twice — and I play a squishy AF magblade. Anyone that finds themselves constantly dying to this skill is doing something wrong.

It's 5 ticks for accelerating drain and 4 ticks at base ability form. You can check for evidence on previous page.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

If you wanna make the stun deal no damage and even reduce the range, you better make it unblockable, too.

In that case they'd have to change it from a channeled ability to a cast ability too. Every time someone uses this skill they're making themselves completely vulnerable for 3 seconds unless they cancel it.

It's not as OP as everyone in this thread is making it seem. If it were, you'd see a lot more people using it.

Just a good stun accessible to all magicka players. The counterpart to Turn Undead. Absolutely fine with me.

It's in no way counterpart to Turn Undead. It's way stronger against single oponent and even when outnumbered it's decently strong.

Langeston wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It's 5 ticks for accelerating drain and 4 ticks at base ability form. You can check for evidence on previous page.

You're right, I misspoke.

Cancelling it after 0,7-1 sec makes it basically equaly strong or even stronger then jabs with the difference it's more bursty , cheaper , have an undodgable stun and gives You a speed buff and it's also easier to hit specific enemy with it then with jabs higher value. Within 0,7 sec You'll get 2 ticks out of it and those 2 ticks are daling around 30% more damage then regular spammable ability and You still can follow it up with another ability without wasting global cooldowns.

You're not seing masses of people using it simply because it was not popularised on YT on any other media very massively
but that doesnt change a fact skill itself is overloaded. It's not the 1st thing that was going under a radar for quite some time.

OK, but over the course of a full channel Sweeps is more than twice as powerful as Drain, heals for much more, does AOE damage, applies a snare 4 times per second ... should we nerf that as well? Because I'd be perfectly fine with that.

No jabs are not over 2 times more powerfull. At base 3 casts of jabs will give You around 35% more damage then full cast of accelerating drain. Scaling for higher jabs component is equal to $1 = 0.0387917 Mag + 0.407949 SD when scaling of accelerating drain is $1 = 0.0594602 Mag + 0.623242 SD. In 3 seconds if You can get 12 ticks of jabs (light attack weaving makes it more then 3 seconds) and 5 ticks of accelerating drain (6 if You'll decide to block cancel it every 2 ticks). So we're getting amount of raw damage for jabs equall to $1 = 0,47 Mag + 4,8 SD when amount of raw damage for 5 ticks of accelerating drain is $1 = 0,3 Mag + 3,1 SD which makes accelerating drain fully casted only ~35% weaker then 3 casts of jabs.

I think I dont have to mention how much cheaper it is to cast accelerating drain once vs casting jabs 3 times. It's also way easier to target enemy with drain. Undodgable stun beats 40% snare always when You're trying to create burst combo and kill someone. Also drain gives You 20 seconds of minor expedition buff. When it comes to heal it depends how much health You had when casting drain. In certain situation heal from 1 cast of accelerating drain can outheal 3 casts of jabs since it heals You for 75% of missing health but it's pretty niche scenario.

Jabs still require some minimum amount of brain cells to use. Accelerating drain does not while being very strong ability. Oh and btw jabs in the past had stun at the end of the cast. it was removed due to multiple reasons. Now we have a skill that have a stun at the beggining of the cast which is way stronger feature.