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why do you attack people who complain?
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭the problem is players complaining on forums about something they do not like or a lack of performance they experience and assume everyone else is having the same problem (in some cases this is true) calling for changes they have know experience about or the wider impact of those changes but simply to improve their experience, complaining about mundane things that really are not important like shoulders/flappy things on leg motifs or the fact some players choose to buy convenience from the crown store, players who assume time in game equates to seniority and therefore must always be right.
if you post a stupid complaint i will respond accordingly the tone i use unless stated as hostile will be up to the person reading my responses, and if they dont like my response there is an ignore function
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »Personally I think a lot of forum readers are far too soft. A lot of boomer and millennial cry babies with too much time on their hands.
For example, if I were to say “why instead of crying about nerfs you learn to get gud”, the thin skinned forum warrior will be like: “he’s rude”, but there’s nothing rude about it. Get gud. .
How rude.
(seriously though - "git gud" and calling people thin-skinned crybabies? Is rude. Just because some fraction of internet dwellers decided that it's the wild west and that everyone should be happy with trash-talk, doesn't make it suddenly not rude. Just means you can't be punched for it, because you're anonymous & a screen away. Online Disinhibition Effect - aka GIFT - ftw)11 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?
Nope, I think if they look out the window they would be able to visually tell we were pulling over, and since you made it a apparent in this hypothetical scenario that you also realized the tire was flat, once I park and leave the vehicle you can them inform them if why we pulled over if you should so chose. I'd personally not waste any time talking though, and just go fix the problem and be on my way asap.
If a year is asap then....
That's how long it takes for the Earth to make a full revolution around the Sun, so sometimes a year is as soon as possible for some things.
We will see if you sing that tune when w/e class you play have a defining skill that is broken for a year
I've main'd Templar, NB, DK, and now Necro. Everyone of them has had something major broken at some point in time since 2014. NB has had dsync issue with cloak off and on making it hard to run poison builds for ganking. Necro's BB is always drunk, and their "netch" ability can get LOS'd super easily and be a wasted GCD. I was going to main Sorc instead of Necro but apparently streak still gets desynced and bugs out on invisible terrain.
I've experienced enough "brokenness" to be frustrated. But even so, I'll be singing the same tune for years.
Pretty vague of you here, I play every single class in the mag variation and I have NEVER experienced something like shadow image being broken for an entire year without and response from zos. That was unreal0 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IDK about anybody else but I do it cause it makes me feel cool
(I'm drunk and only read the title sorry)Edited by Raisin on December 7, 2019 2:28AM3 -
thorwyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Compared to other games, ESO forums are rather harmless in my opinion. There is the occasional rant and the usual percentage of ad hominems, but overall, it's not that bad.
The thing is, that ESO has a huge range of different players and playstyles. Casuals, roleplayers, PvE, PvP, Skyrim (SP) folks. Each group has different expectations and demands. Content too hard, content too easy, drops too random, no story mode in dungeons, [class xy] too strong. In addition, the server performance has been less than stellar recently.
All of this has comes with huge potential for conflicts and controversial opinions.And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have noticed that in lots of threads where people voice their dissatisfaction with any issues with ESO on this forums there quickly appear other people who express their huge surprise that some people happen to not like a thing about ESO. It happens that these folk also ridicule or accuse the poster of having a too low an IQ or something similar. Kind of reminds me when a new Apple product used to launch and someone found it for some reason not to their liking and dared to say so...
Am I missing something here...? Any rewards for congratulating ZOS on the awesome job they are doing and attacking people feeling any different?
It depends on the complainer's choice of how they express the complaint.
If what they do is throw a tantrum wherein they rant and cuss and insult/use derogatory terms to describe the devs or other players, then they open themselves up for the same treatment in return from fellow players, and being moderated by the mods.
It is possible to complain without doing any of that, regardless of how frustrated one is with a situation.
But if they CHOOSE to act like an angry child throwing a fit, then they very likely won't be heard by the devs (every official forum I have been a member of has stated that any feedback directed at the company/devs in such a manner basically goes right into the trash bin), and will elicit a negative reaction from fellow players and possibly the forum mods.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Sometimes younger mammals will become aggressive when approaching sexual maturity. It's nature's way of prompting them to practice for when they will be vying for territory and mates later in life.5 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭CleymenZero wrote: »khajiitNPC wrote: »@CleymenZero ZOS apologist aren’t a thing. Not everything is some seedy conspiracy — most people want the game to run smoothly as possible. And I know it might be mind blowing to you, but — for a lot of people the game runs pretty darn good. I’m a console pleb and have very little issues. I play probably 4 to 5 hours a day — mostly PvP in high density areas (either zerging or surfing the edge of a zerg), no issues. I might have a frame rate check here and there, or a load screen when a keep flips, but for the most part I can play consistently for those 4 hours. On the weekends it’s not abnormal for me to go 8 hours (split up throughout the day). So no, I’m not playing house. I also do vet trials and vet DLCs without issues. I heal and tank so I can find a group pretty fast with group finder, or I already am in a group of two or more —
Now that’s not to say ZoS doesn’t need to get their code together, because they do — everyone should be able to enjoy the game as much as I do.
My point is — the forum is an echo chamber, a lot of people aren’t even hardwired into the game, running on routers in households that have over 20 devices in the network, ect — I’m not saying that’s all cases, but I know it attributes to poor performance. Some people are on potatoes computers. There’s more moving pieces than anyone wants to address.
Equating the fact that there are apologists to a conspiracy is mind blowing.
I'm hard wired with a gigabit connection on a pretty advanced pc. Ryzen 7 3700x, 16gb DDR4 3866MHz Ram, GTX 1080ti, 1tb nvme SSD with setting lowered to insure there are no frame dips and nope, the moment there are 20+ players in Cyrodiil, I get constant health desyncs, can't barswap, can't CC break for 3-5 seconds and so on...
That's why I get so upset, because I made sure it wasn't on my side and it still is not a remotely good experience...
And with a bit of research you'll have learn than ryzen aren't optimized when it come to play old game like this cuz they don't have release driver compatibility yet.
I've a Ryzen too, a bit less powerful, and ZoS made it work fine in the perf patch that followed SE elweyr.
Now I don't have any trouble to play with everything at max even in prime time cyro zerg.
Sadly intel are still better when it come to play on older game.
But be patient it will come.
Oh, I'll repeat this again even if people don't want to ear it : add-on are one of the major problem when it come top perf.
Most of them are badly written and have a lot of conflict between each other or even them self..
Since I've remove MM and all UI and combat add-on I don't have weird perf problem anymore.
My list is very tiny.And every time I got a problem I ask my friend who play with 0 add-on if he got the same, if not that just mean it's from my side.
The only guy I know who is running insane amount of add-on is the retired computer scientist (dunno if we said this like that) of my guild who just fix every add-on itself, I hardly doubt most of the user can do that.
Having a high end PC don't mean everything gonna be fine, it's just mean you've enough spec to run the most recent game.
The fun thing is, most of the player who have a less powerful machine got less problem cuz the game was released when these new technologies wasn't existing (and like I said Ryzen unlike Intel don't do any effort to help with most of the older game).
Nothing here is mean to be rude to you, just some information from someone who had the same problem as you on a very similar config and for who everything is fixed.Edited by Aznarb on December 7, 2019 9:56AM[ PC EU ]
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My favorite is being called an entitled whiner when I suggest that I actually be allowed to play the game I've sunk hundreds of dollars into. No worries though, because I haven't been able to play for the last two patches and support has nothing to say about it - bringing it up here is just taboo, so best to let it drop and forget about the thousands of hours and rl dollars wasted.
Can't have a discussion about it here though, because I don't want to be an entitled whiner. I rarely comment on anything here or on reddit, just pop in from time to time to see if there is a plan to make it so the service I pay for is actually delivered. It's really too bad - I loved the game and want nothing more than to play it again, but the toxicity from the fan club has for the most part has really made me detest the community here.
So I get plagued with performance problems - it's like being the wounded shark in a frenzy. Yesterday they were your comrades in arms, now they're eating you because your game doesn't run anymore.
The dollars and hours are lost/wasted either way. ESO is not going to last forever. All the good things come to an end.
So really, it's no biggie.Edited by Nyladreas on December 7, 2019 10:23AM2 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭My favorite is being called an entitled whiner when I suggest that I actually be allowed to play the game I've sunk hundreds of dollars into. No worries though, because I haven't been able to play for the last two patches and support has nothing to say about it - bringing it up here is just taboo, so best to let it drop and forget about the thousands of hours and rl dollars wasted.
Can't have a discussion about it here though, because I don't want to be an entitled whiner. I rarely comment on anything here or on reddit, just pop in from time to time to see if there is a plan to make it so the service I pay for is actually delivered. It's really too bad - I loved the game and want nothing more than to play it again, but the toxicity from the fan club has for the most part has really made me detest the community here.
So I get plagued with performance problems - it's like being the wounded shark in a frenzy. Yesterday they were your comrades in arms, now they're eating you because your game doesn't run anymore.
The dollars and hours are lost/wasted either way. ESO is not going to last forever. All the good things come to an end.
So really, it's no biggie.
Yes, but it hasn't come to an end yet and I had to ride out 4 months of a 6 month sub playing a different game - so that's paying for a service that wasn't delivered. Yeah, no biggie (that's sarcasm, by the way) - I have more money than time, so I can just turn my back on eso and go spend it somewhere else. But that's just a sad way to run a business if you're willing to shun paying customers and let them trash talk you on your own forums because you're unwilling to deliver on either customer service or satisfaction. The complete lack of response is abhorrent and the fact that somebody is now going to trash talk me for wanting what I paid for is what this thread is about. ZOS won't chime in to defend themselves, but there will surely be a white night to come and do it on their behalf - probably quoting the terms of service, as if that's any defense. The question is, why? Why defend a for-profit organization that doesn't care to do it themselves? I share OP's interest in this phenomenon. You could just say nothing, but instead you devote your personal time to imply that I'm an idiot because I don't get to play the game I paid for. I just don't understand it.
Anyway, nothing would give me more glee than to see the problems I've had land onto the people who claim the issue doesn't exist due to not having experienced it. I'd love to see them say, "no biggie, I'll just wait it out and see if I get to play again in several months or a year. I love the work ZOS does and I'm sure they'll make this right eventually. It's not a problem that I can't get a refund on my sub because they need the money more than I do and it's only right I contribute to a game I don't play." Judging by the forum lately, this is starting to happen - except those people do not think it's no biggie. They think it's quite a biggie.1 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭This forum is toxic it really is. I can almost never post anything to be attacked full stop. This place is horrible.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only2 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Who cares? Stupid thread about a stupid topic. If somebody likes the game as it is now, who gives a ***? If you dont like it as it is now, who gives a ***?
How do either of those groups affect you personally in your real life?1 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭Who cares? Stupid thread about a stupid topic. If somebody likes the game as it is now, who gives a ***? If you dont like it as it is now, who gives a ***?
How do either of those groups affect you personally in your real life?
You do realize this is a forum created for the specific purpose of discussing the game - not real life... right? And this particular discussion is about why some people feel the need to attack others who attempt to have a discussion that isn't rose-tinted. I'm not sure what you were trying to add to it with your comment.2 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »khajiitNPC wrote: »@CleymenZero ZOS apologist aren’t a thing. Not everything is some seedy conspiracy — most people want the game to run smoothly as possible. And I know it might be mind blowing to you, but — for a lot of people the game runs pretty darn good. I’m a console pleb and have very little issues. I play probably 4 to 5 hours a day — mostly PvP in high density areas (either zerging or surfing the edge of a zerg), no issues. I might have a frame rate check here and there, or a load screen when a keep flips, but for the most part I can play consistently for those 4 hours. On the weekends it’s not abnormal for me to go 8 hours (split up throughout the day). So no, I’m not playing house. I also do vet trials and vet DLCs without issues. I heal and tank so I can find a group pretty fast with group finder, or I already am in a group of two or more —
Now that’s not to say ZoS doesn’t need to get their code together, because they do — everyone should be able to enjoy the game as much as I do.
My point is — the forum is an echo chamber, a lot of people aren’t even hardwired into the game, running on routers in households that have over 20 devices in the network, ect — I’m not saying that’s all cases, but I know it attributes to poor performance. Some people are on potatoes computers. There’s more moving pieces than anyone wants to address.
Equating the fact that there are apologists to a conspiracy is mind blowing.
I'm hard wired with a gigabit connection on a pretty advanced pc. Ryzen 7 3700x, 16gb DDR4 3866MHz Ram, GTX 1080ti, 1tb nvme SSD with setting lowered to insure there are no frame dips and nope, the moment there are 20+ players in Cyrodiil, I get constant health desyncs, can't barswap, can't CC break for 3-5 seconds and so on...
That's why I get so upset, because I made sure it wasn't on my side and it still is not a remotely good experience...
Now I don't have any trouble to play with everything at max even in prime time cyro zerg.
Lawl, show me a video. Because this is the most bull I've ever seen in my life4 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@Kiralyn2000 is it rude? Are they being thin skinned? Are they being cry babies? If it’s true, then it’s not rude, just because you don’t like how the truth is packaged, doesn’t make it inaccurate.
I’m not advocating being rude — I’m saying a lot of people are thin-skinned cry babies. There is no reason for someone to take what a forum poster says to heart. The reality is there are people who don’t sugarcoat what is happening. Nor is anyone obligated to placate your ego (not you specifically but people in general). The world is not rainbows and unicorn barf.
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khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@ArenGesus sorry to hear you specifically aren’t able to play the game. That sucks and ZoS should definitely deliver.
Not that I doubt you, but I play plenty of ESO on a X box one x, and others who play on an 2nd gen console don’t seem to have the problems that first gen consoles experience, at least those who have a decent connection and not a lot of stuff going on in their network don’t have the issues that a lot of people are having. Also the people I watch on PC streaming don’t seem to have those issues either. At least not to the extent that a lot of forum goers have (which is a minuscule portion of the actual population). I do hope tho they can figure out why so many people on the forums are having issues tho.0 -
okiav✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@Kiralyn2000 is it rude? Are they being thin skinned? Are they being cry babies? If it’s true, then it’s not rude, just because you don’t like how the truth is packaged, doesn’t make it inaccurate.
I’m not advocating being rude — I’m saying a lot of people are thin-skinned cry babies. There is no reason for someone to take what a forum poster says to heart. The reality is there are people who don’t sugarcoat what is happening. Nor is anyone obligated to placate your ego (not you specifically but people in general). The world is not rainbows and unicorn barf.
Using questionable language doesn't make your world any more "real" than that of others (the ones that don't appreciate your use of the language).0 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@okiav when did calling it, as it is, become questionable language?
I get it — I do. Some people can’t handle being spoken to, they don’t actually interact with people RL, they live their whole existence in a state of mutual banalities and dislike anyone that disrupts their recollection of themselves, or responds out of the norm, because the norm is what is acceptable, it’s tidy, it’s pleasant; hello how are you, oh fine you? Good. I get it. And no I’m not an edgelord, I just don’t get how people can not accept they are cry babies when they are cry babies. It’s like how dare I say the sky is blue. If you’re going to be a crybaby f*ing own that stuff. Show them the dirty diaper.
But don’t try to tell me how to I should express my vision because yours (not yours specifically) lacks the fortitude to be honest. When did the world become so populated with philodoxoi. Smh.Edited by khajiitNPC on December 7, 2019 9:33PM1 -
okiav✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@okiav when did calling it, as it is, become questionable language?
I get it — I do. Some people can’t handle being spoken to, they don’t actually interact with people RL, they live their whole existence in a state of mutual banalities and dislike anyone that disrupts their recollection of themselves, or responds out of the norm, because the norm is what is acceptable, it’s tidy, it’s pleasant; hello how are you, oh fine you? Good. I get it. And no I’m not an edgelord, I just don’t get how people can not accept they are cry babies when they are cry babies. It’s like how dare I say the sky is blue. If you’re going to be a crybaby f*ing own that stuff. Show them the dirty diaper.
But don’t try to tell me how to I should express my vision because yours (not yours specifically) lacks the fortitude to be honest. When did the world become so populated with philodoxoi. Smh.
The problem with your attitude, the way I see it, is that you seem to feel as if you have a monopoly on truth. It would also seem that you don't appreciate people not "respecting your accurate vision of things".
To use your own wording as a counter, when I look at the sky right now where I live, its very much black. That's because where I live it's nighttime right now. The trouble with wanting people to understand the "real world" is that that same world can be pretty different for people...3 -
okiav✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@okiav when did calling it, as it is, become questionable language?
I get it — I do. Some people can’t handle being spoken to, they don’t actually interact with people RL, they live their whole existence in a state of mutual banalities and dislike anyone that disrupts their recollection of themselves, or responds out of the norm, because the norm is what is acceptable, it’s tidy, it’s pleasant; hello how are you, oh fine you? Good. I get it. And no I’m not an edgelord, I just don’t get how people can not accept they are cry babies when they are cry babies. It’s like how dare I say the sky is blue. If you’re going to be a crybaby f*ing own that stuff. Show them the dirty diaper.
But don’t try to tell me how to I should express my vision because yours (not yours specifically) lacks the fortitude to be honest. When did the world become so populated with philodoxoi. Smh.
Also, asking for people to use a clearly negative title for themselves (cry baby) is pretty close to why I created this thread. You really think doing stuff like that helps to get your point across?2 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭@khajiitNpc - I know others are able to play and have fewer problems. But I shouldn't have to defend my setup. It's enough to say that I've been playing other games trouble-free during the same period that I've been unable to play eso. And I've played eso just fine for years through summerset, after which the troubles started. It happened to me for unclear reasons, which means it's a safe assumption that it can happen to you and anybody else next, so instead people attacking, they should be concerned and asking ZOS for a response because they could be next. Why me and not you? Who knows. But it's not on my end, so it should worry you as much as it vexes me.
But, because it does seem necessary to defend my setup, I'm running an xbox one x with an external ssd. I have cable internet, consistently getting 385 down/24 up. The modem is wired to an Asus rt-ac88u, which is in turn wired to another rt-ac88u for full wifi coverage. But I'm not using wifi for this - I actually crawled around in little attic spaces and ran cat6 ethernet though the walls so I can have the majority of my devices cabled. In fact, I gathered up every ethernet cable in the house (including the one from my xbox to my router) and threw away any that weren't at least cat6, then I made my own shielded cables to size for every hard-wired device in the house. I can assure you that my routers are more than capable of handling the load, as is my xbox and my internet service. And there are no bottlenecks anywhere - hell, I even get nearly gb speeds on my iPhone over wifi, if transferring to/from another local device.
And given all of that - warframe plays silky smooth and it's where I spend my time because ZOS decided it customers who don't get the service they paid for are of little concern. But none of that is the point here. The point is, when someone says they have a horrible experience with this game, why are they attacked for it? I'll go back to my earlier comment, where I compare people with performance problems to wounded sharks in a frenzy. The rest of the community just eats them alive. Why?1 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭I don’t know why — I can only speak from experience, I don’t have any of those issues what so ever. I run a very similar set up. I am the only person on my network. Hardwired. I’m not saying you have to defend your self. I can only speak from My experience. I also have a really nice computer monitor that I use.
Why they are attacked tho is a loaded question. Some people complain about valid things. Performance issues are valid. “They nerf x” is not. Bug issues: valid. People spending money in the crown store is not.
So yeah I’d say you have a right to complain, but here’s my issue, if I’m not experiencing these issues why is it always met with disbelief, as tho I have something to gain from being dishonest? So yeah It sucks that you aren’t able to play the game.
Sounds like you’ve taken all the necessary steps and I would definitely be frustrated too.0 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭To add, I think forum goers don’t realize this is a small portion of the population. Most people don’t even come here. So when they see another forum poster with the same issues, they think “oh it must be everyone” but again context is everyone and unfortunately you are in the percentage that are having a negative experience. I wouldn’t pay them anything.0
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✭The opposite happens too, complement them on the graphics of a rock and the thread will turn into rage over lag in cyrodiil.
Thread too long, sorry if this has been mentioned.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭A lot of it is how the original poster comes across. If the post seems whiny expect backlash. If there is a legitimate concern and is expressed properly then expect mostly positive feedback.
I think there's also a certain kind of thread in which the responses are destined to become increasingly toxic, and that's the type where the OP expresses an opinion and then consistently replies to every single other comment on the thread, singling out anyone with a contrary opinion and rejecting their perfectly valid contribution out of hand, often in a pretty insulting or at least patronising way. It's very obvious within two or three replies to the OP's initial post that those threads are going to go badly.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@okiav when did calling it, as it is, become questionable language?
I get it — I do. Some people can’t handle being spoken to, they don’t actually interact with people RL, they live their whole existence in a state of mutual banalities and dislike anyone that disrupts their recollection of themselves, or responds out of the norm, because the norm is what is acceptable, it’s tidy, it’s pleasant; hello how are you, oh fine you? Good. I get it. And no I’m not an edgelord, I just don’t get how people can not accept they are cry babies when they are cry babies. It’s like how dare I say the sky is blue. If you’re going to be a crybaby f*ing own that stuff. Show them the dirty diaper.
But don’t try to tell me how to I should express my vision because yours (not yours specifically) lacks the fortitude to be honest. When did the world become so populated with philodoxoi. Smh.
Also, asking for people to use a clearly negative title for themselves (cry baby) is pretty close to why I created this thread. You really think doing stuff like that helps to get your point across?
None of the name calling ever helps get any point across, both in the context you refer to and also when players have genuine performance issues and openly label those who do not have those issues as house decorators, crate whales, crown store customers, casuals and so on. They're actually just players, exactly the same as those with the problems but fortunate enough not to share those problems even tho many of them do the same type of content.1 -
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If you're going to come up with suggestions on how to change things do it for ALL the races, not just the three that you play otherwise most peopme won't take you seriously.Edited by pod88kk on December 8, 2019 2:19AM0 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It happens that these folk also ridicule or accuse the poster of having a too low an IQ or something similar.
Do you mean the recent thread where someone called people, with pets in cities, a rude name and then demanded they be considerate and not use their pet in cities anymore?
Like anyone reading that would then want to go to the trouble of making him happy...
That did show a disturbing lack of emotional intelligence, if not also (possibly) a low IQ.
In general, though, I agree that people shouldn't criticise someone for having a genuine concern with the game, as long as they voice it in a reasonable way that doesn't attack other (innocent) customers.Edited by Tigerseye on December 8, 2019 3:29AM1 -
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✭✭✭@khajiitNpc - I know others are able to play and have fewer problems. But I shouldn't have to defend my setup. It's enough to say that I've been playing other games trouble-free during the same period that I've been unable to play eso. And I've played eso just fine for years through summerset, after which the troubles started. It happened to me for unclear reasons, which means it's a safe assumption that it can happen to you and anybody else next, so instead people attacking, they should be concerned and asking ZOS for a response because they could be next. Why me and not you? Who knows. But it's not on my end, so it should worry you as much as it vexes me.
But, because it does seem necessary to defend my setup, I'm running an xbox one x with an external ssd. I have cable internet, consistently getting 385 down/24 up. The modem is wired to an Asus rt-ac88u, which is in turn wired to another rt-ac88u for full wifi coverage. But I'm not using wifi for this - I actually crawled around in little attic spaces and ran cat6 ethernet though the walls so I can have the majority of my devices cabled. In fact, I gathered up every ethernet cable in the house (including the one from my xbox to my router) and threw away any that weren't at least cat6, then I made my own shielded cables to size for every hard-wired device in the house. I can assure you that my routers are more than capable of handling the load, as is my xbox and my internet service. And there are no bottlenecks anywhere - hell, I even get nearly gb speeds on my iPhone over wifi, if transferring to/from another local device.
And given all of that - warframe plays silky smooth and it's where I spend my time because ZOS decided it customers who don't get the service they paid for are of little concern. But none of that is the point here. The point is, when someone says they have a horrible experience with this game, why are they attacked for it? I'll go back to my earlier comment, where I compare people with performance problems to wounded sharks in a frenzy. The rest of the community just eats them alive. Why?
Because many people on here are self-confessed trolls (there was a poll) and some other people may work for ZoS.
I wouldn't let it worry you too much.
Just stand your ground and tell the truth.Edited by Tigerseye on December 8, 2019 4:28AM0