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why do you attack people who complain?
okiav
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I have noticed that in lots of threads where people voice their dissatisfaction with any issues with ESO on this forums there quickly appear other people who express their huge surprise that some people happen to not like a thing about ESO. It happens that these folk also ridicule or accuse the poster of having a too low an IQ or something similar. Kind of reminds me when a new Apple product used to launch and someone found it for some reason not to their liking and dared to say so...
Am I missing something here...? Any rewards for congratulating ZOS on the awesome job they are doing and attacking people feeling any different?
Edited by okiav on December 6, 2019 5:09PM Am I missing something here...? Any rewards for congratulating ZOS on the awesome job they are doing and attacking people feeling any different?
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No rewards, just a bunch of forum posters feeling the need to diminish people with differing opinions.
You know:
Saying they have Low IQ
Insinuating that they get rewarded by ZOS for positive opinions...
Hmmm. Wait a minute...
Oh, darn, the Cyber Monday sale on sarcasm detectors is over just when I need a new one.11 -
Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Probably because the attitude of the OP is often immature and the thread is not constructive at all some feel the need nuance such posts. That doesn't imply that the latter are paid by ZOS or are "fanboys".Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's because we on the forums are toxic and sometimes overflow from ESO subreddit tries to come in and show us the way of positivity and echo chambering. They've failed everytime.
Just like ZOS when it comes to perfomance problems, group finder, bugs and so on.
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okiav✭✭✭wow, that didnt take long.
I'm just amazed that people find time for this kind of thing...
I mean - if not discuss in the forums, isn't the alternative leaving the game... and if you come to the forums and get bashed for doing that... well... what choices you got left? it's not like that makes you want to be in the game any more than before.Edited by okiav on December 6, 2019 4:41PM5 -
karthrag_inak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭really? you have time for it, apparently.PC-NA : 19 Khajiit and 1 Fishy-cat with fluffy delusions. cp3600
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okiav✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »No rewards, just a bunch of forum posters feeling the need to diminish people with differing opinions.
You know:
Saying they have Low IQ
Insinuating that they get rewarded by ZOS for positive opinions...
Hmmm. Wait a minute...
Oh, darn, the Cyber Monday sale on sarcasm detectors is over just when I need a new one.
I said one gets accused of having a low IQ, I didn't accuse anyone else of it.
You are putting words in my mouth there.
Also, I doubt Apple actually paid anyone to do it. I don't know but I would assume that ZOS doesn't need either.
I do however wonder why block an avenue of communication like that?Edited by okiav on December 6, 2019 4:53PM3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »No rewards, just a bunch of forum posters feeling the need to diminish people with differing opinions.
You know:
Saying they have Low IQ
Insinuating that they get rewarded by ZOS for positive opinions...
Hmmm. Wait a minute...
Oh, darn, the Cyber Monday sale on sarcasm detectors is over just when I need a new one.
I said one gets accused of having a low IQ, I didn't accuse anyone else of it.
You are putting words in my mouth there.
Also, I doubt Apple actually paid anyone to do it. I don't know but I would assume that ZOS doesn't need either.
I do however wonder why block an avenue of communication like that?
At the risk of engaging in a thread that started with a baited hook, I will explain my comment. You and the people you complain about are doing the same thing: denigrating people with differing opinions for irrelevant reasons.
They respond with ridicule or low IQ comments to people complaining about ZOS because of their differing opinions, because they disagree.
You turn around and insinuate that they only have those positive opinions because they get rewarded by ZOS for voicing them and attacking dissenting players, because you disagree - even though you now admit you don't think that's true.
In neither case is anyone actually engaging politely nor substantially with anyone else's arguments. Its all insults, bait, and dismissing other's opinions for completely irrelevant reasons.
If you wanted a substantial discussion, starting with insulting bait that's not much different from what you are complaining the other side does was not the wisest course of action.
Edited: nice title swap there...Edited by VaranisArano on December 6, 2019 5:11PM11 -
okiav✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If you wanted a substantial discussion, starting with insulting bait that's not much different from what you are complaining the other side does was not the wisest course of action.
I just changed the topic from "Lobbying for ZOS" to "why do you attack people who complain?"
This better now?0 -
okiav✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Edited: nice title swap there...
Wasn't that what you saw as the problem - I did just post that I changed it???Edited by okiav on December 6, 2019 5:16PM0 -
baltic1284✭✭✭✭Yeah I have to say fan bois and most of the time the complaints will change something and they don't like it cause it will either remove or change and edge they have over other players. The ones I find funny are the lore ones someone says wait a minute here is what the lore said here is the proof and they will argue over it or say you got it from this site and not that site.
But the whole diminish and bully a person over there views weather they agree or not will happen all the time and continue to happen the way it is.2 -
Freakin_Hytte✭✭✭✭✭Well because a lot of the nerf threads barely have any argument or constructive points to why it's bad and you can read that the starters main argument is being biased against that thing.
I also agree that that a lot of people on this forum thinks discussion equals insults. But I blame that on lack of education since those people can hardly understand a well formulated argument and the only thing they can back up on is insults and trying to make the other person small or seem irrelevant.
Then we also have the pure trolls who enjoys making threads go out of control or antagonize people.Edited by Freakin_Hytte on December 6, 2019 5:22PM1 -
karthrag_inak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭karthrag_inak wrote: »really? you have time for it, apparently.
case in point
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✭✭✭Why do you attack people who don't complain?PC-NA : 19 Khajiit and 1 Fishy-cat with fluffy delusions. cp3600
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CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭In b4 thread closed for not being constructive....
oh wait, do the mods close these threads?0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Edited: nice title swap there...
Wasn't that what you saw as the problem - I did just post that I changed it???
The problem I had is that in your first post you complain about the other side making irrelevant and insulting attacks because you disagree with them...and you turn around and make an irrelevant and insulting attack by claiming they have positive opinions because ZOS rewards them. Asking for respect cuts both ways.
The hypocrisy, intended or not, makes it really hard to take this thread seriously as a sincere question. If it wasn't intended, well, you know what they say about tone on the internet.5 -
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Pretty much this ^ In short, an extreme case when some one likes something (brand, company, product, food etc.) to a point when some one will have different point of view, will criticise something that a "fan boy" likes, a "fan boy" will feel personally attacked, and will defend it EXTREMELY aggressively.Fan bois being fan bois2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So people are allowed to have an opinion about the game, but not an opinion about other people's opinions about the game? How does that work?2 -
okiav✭✭✭If I was ZOS, I would like there to be a safe space where people can come and say what they would like changed in the or about the game. I would not need a place where these same people come and get told to "go play tetris if you don't enjoy ESO and have these complaints".1
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InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭Usually when it's the ONLY reason they're here...Edit = Typos ... as usual. <;D1 -
Zephard✭✭✭I never bring up IQ, as it doesn't have to do with most of the content I comment on.
I don't overly complain about the game much, only about lots of request to change the game.
Most of the comments I am against, would change the game in ways that affect my play style.
I would not call my play style an advantage over other players, as my play style is quite casual normally, enjoying things like fishing, flower picking (farming), and sightseeing. Along with doing the events, crafting, motif hunting (so some dungeons involved).
I do understand most of the complainers have not considered the changes their request would be bring to other areas, or other people. Then some complainers are quite aware, and want said actions with little or with lots of oppressive regard for said affected players.
Opinions of opinions of opinions. My enemy's enemy is not always my friend.
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Not my quote "It took a while to sink in that we’re killing it right now..."
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Kuwhar✭✭✭✭I have noticed that in lots of threads where people voice their dissatisfaction with any issues with ESO on this forums there quickly appear other people who express their huge surprise that some people happen to not like a thing about ESO. It happens that these folk also ridicule or accuse the poster of having a too low an IQ or something similar. Kind of reminds me when a new Apple product used to launch and someone found it for some reason not to their liking and dared to say so...
Am I missing something here...? Any rewards for congratulating ZOS on the awesome job they are doing and attacking people feeling any different?
I'm not keen on doing it myself, but I can see where they are coming from.
Imagine for a moment you enjoy ESO, it's your favorite game, you are investing time and money and while you may have some small gripes here and there, at the end of the day; it's your #1 game.
So you come to the forums to chat about your favorite game/hobby as any enthusiast would do.
Soon after you start to notice threads "Game is dying". "Devs have no clue how to balance". "ZOS is just after our money" etc. etc.
Often these threads read as a single paragraph, or a near incoherent wall of text, that don't present logical and mature arguments.
How are you going to approach these types of threads in your response?
I'm not saying it's good or it's right, but I can totally understand people's frustrations with the constant "sky if falling, devs are clueless" threads that look like they are written by a twelve year old.
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InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭I never bring up IQ, as it doesn't have to do with most of the content I comment on.
I don't overly complain about the game much, only about lots of request to change the game.
Most of the comments I am against, would change the game in ways that affect my play style.
I would not call my play style an advantage over other players, as my play style is quite casual normally, enjoying things like fishing, flower picking (farming), and sightseeing. Along with doing the events, crafting, motif hunting (so some dungeons involved).
I do understand most of the complainers have not considered the changes their request would be bring to other areas, or other people. Then some complainers are quite aware, and want said actions with little or with lots of oppressive regard for said affected players.
Opinions of opinions of opinions. My enemy's enemy is not always my friend.
Another favorite is age...
I kinda love the one that goes "Daym, that one failed the IQ-test!" Cause well, measurement (albeit limited) - not a fail or pass unless applying for Mensa and so on... But thats when I'm just thinking "How does that one even remember to breathe once in a while?"
Especially use it for people who hackle dyslexics'. "If you can't extract what someone's trying to say, and ridicule them, you mighta just have failed the IQ-test overall..."Edited by InaMoonlight on December 6, 2019 6:02PMEdit = Typos ... as usual. <;D1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭it is bullying and harassment, and it is against the forum rules.
just report them.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!4 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported4 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.4
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