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why do you attack people who complain?
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.2 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Most of the time when people write thoughtful feedback on issues within the game they are met with thoughtful responses. Those that write knee-jerk reactions and hyperbole about that skill that got them killed in PvP are usually met with knee-jerk reactions and hyperbole.
There are exceptions and people just trying to be trolls of course, but for the most part you "reap what you sew" with your OP.Edited by kojou on December 6, 2019 8:15PMPlaying since beta...1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?Edited by GhostofDatthaw on December 6, 2019 8:19PM0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭It's not like i was asking for changes. I was asking for something to workEdited by GhostofDatthaw on December 6, 2019 8:17PM0
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you've constructive argument and are respectful of other opinion I don't see why you would get bash/insulted.
I've often a controversial opinion when it come to game balance and complain about perf issue (pc side).
I never got insulted and have some good discussion with opposite side most of the time.
And when I saw someone saying the same dumb thing that I've already answered in the previous post, it just a wast of time so I usually said I respect his opinion and will not continue to discuss about something than I've already explained.
Even when I made some wall of text, I didn't get bash once for my bad English.
So I really think you should work on your side about how a discussion work in a forum and you'll never experience that again.
You just have to admit than you CAN'T force other people to agree with you even if it seem obvious and logic, cuz not anyone think the same way, and you know what ? It's a good thing.Edited by Aznarb on December 6, 2019 8:19PM[ PC EU ]
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?
Nope, I think if they look out the window they would be able to visually tell we were pulling over, and since you made it a apparent in this hypothetical scenario that you also realized the tire was flat, once I park and leave the vehicle you can them inform them if why we pulled over if you should so chose. I'd personally not waste any time talking though, and just go fix the problem and be on my way asap.1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?
Nope, I think if they look out the window they would be able to visually tell we were pulling over, and since you made it a apparent in this hypothetical scenario that you also realized the tire was flat, once I park and leave the vehicle you can them inform them if why we pulled over if you should so chose. I'd personally not waste any time talking though, and just go fix the problem and be on my way asap.
If a year is asap then....0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I also love being lectured by “Glorious PC Master Race” bros whenever we complain about the game’s current poor performance on console. The onus is on ZOS to ensure that the game performs well on every platform, and yet the Glorious PC Master Race bros seem to feel the need to inform you how “mediocre“ your system is (despite being able to run any other supported AAA game with no problems).
Yes, preach!
I'd say alot more, but everytime I seem to bring up a particular forum user, I get a 3 day ban....so I'll just say I wholeheartedly agree and leave it at that.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I do find it interesting that in this thread two people are arguing about flat tires.2 -
baltic1284✭✭✭✭I do find it interesting that in this thread two people are arguing about flat tires.
whats new it all started with one doing exactly what this post says people do to one another on the forums and got to where it is now. that is about 60 percent the problem the rest is just trolls doing there thing.4 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?
Nope, I think if they look out the window they would be able to visually tell we were pulling over, and since you made it a apparent in this hypothetical scenario that you also realized the tire was flat, once I park and leave the vehicle you can them inform them if why we pulled over if you should so chose. I'd personally not waste any time talking though, and just go fix the problem and be on my way asap.
If a year is asap then....
That's how long it takes for the Earth to make a full revolution around the Sun, so sometimes a year is as soon as possible for some things.0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People who like the game attack those who don't because usually people who voice their "dissatisfaction" are straight up attacking the Devs.
No one is innocent here.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭People who like the game attack those who don't because usually people who voice their "dissatisfaction" are straight up attacking the Devs.
No one is innocent here.
At this point with the server it has devolved into that, but earlier years when it was just people expressing thier dislike of skill changes or the way things operated, it was a bit more mob mentality.
"How dare you suggest a change on a forum ment to be used for game discussions"0 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »People who like the game attack those who don't because usually people who voice their "dissatisfaction" are straight up attacking the Devs.
No one is innocent here.
At this point with the server it has devolved into that, but earlier years when it was just people expressing thier dislike of skill changes or the way things operated, it was a bit more mob mentality.
"How dare you suggest a change on a forum ment to be used for game discussions"
Edit, those who needed to read, will.
Edited by InaMoonlight on December 6, 2019 10:52PMEdit = Typos ... as usual. <;D0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »People who like the game attack those who don't because usually people who voice their "dissatisfaction" are straight up attacking the Devs.
No one is innocent here.
At this point with the server it has devolved into that, but earlier years when it was just people expressing thier dislike of skill changes or the way things operated, it was a bit more mob mentality.
"How dare you suggest a change on a forum ment to be used for game discussions"
Edit, those who needed to read, will.
How deep1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?
Nope, I think if they look out the window they would be able to visually tell we were pulling over, and since you made it a apparent in this hypothetical scenario that you also realized the tire was flat, once I park and leave the vehicle you can them inform them if why we pulled over if you should so chose. I'd personally not waste any time talking though, and just go fix the problem and be on my way asap.
If a year is asap then....
That's how long it takes for the Earth to make a full revolution around the Sun, so sometimes a year is as soon as possible for some things.
We will see if you sing that tune when w/e class you play have a defining skill that is broken for a year0 -
jircris11✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have noticed that in lots of threads where people voice their dissatisfaction with any issues with ESO on this forums there quickly appear other people who express their huge surprise that some people happen to not like a thing about ESO. It happens that these folk also ridicule or accuse the poster of having a too low an IQ or something similar. Kind of reminds me when a new Apple product used to launch and someone found it for some reason not to their liking and dared to say so...
Am I missing something here...? Any rewards for congratulating ZOS on the awesome job they are doing and attacking people feeling any different?
It depends on how its worded, if its value feed back I support it. If it's some cursing fest that basically goes after devs with insults and "I can do better" then I'll jump on them. As an ex dev for another company I have insight that the average player does not. People blame the devs, you know the people who are pulling g ridiculous hours to give us content that some higher up claims is needed. That's nerfs, content and fixes.IGN: Ki'rah
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »A lot of people would rather complain about things rather than submitting tickets, playing the PTS to help improve future content and test for bugs, and they often times are clouded by their anger, frustration, and ranting to be coherent and constructive.
Pts does little sadly. Alot of reported bugs and bad changes go through despite being reported
It's more productive than whining, because you are then at least actively doing something rather than back seat driving.
Well yes and no, it depends on the topic. I reported shadow image being broken, never got and feed back and waited a year for the fix. Meanwhile after multiple tickets and then a volume of steadily declining in politeness forum threads they banned my old account. So they have a track record of not responding and not fixing, it's not always black and white.
So then you resort to back seat driving, and expect people to take it serious?
I'm not sure how reporting that a skill literally did not work is back seat driving.
You must not have played then, but the skill did not work. For like 6 months it just did nothing when you cast it. Then for another 6 months once you moved out of range, the skill would bug, the whole thing would gray out and be uncastable. Then aftet a year of silence they come out and finally said it was fixed, and it was not. It could not move you on the y axis, it took another few months to fix this.
No you said that reporting problems got you nowhere, and that nothing was happening, which implied that you stopped reporting said issues due to the report system you've been using has gotten you nowhere, so you went back to backseat driving. Or is that not what you did? You continue to report, regardless of seeing immediate changes?
It's still not back seat driving. More of went to a different source to see if the employees who monitor the forums could shed some light on the subject. Because submitting tickets about a broken skill did nothing. And the fact it was nb image people did not care. Think is streak didn't work, just flat out wouldn't cast. Bol wouldn't work just would not cast.... Not really sure how I would relate its importance to dk... But you get the picture. It was not back seat driving more of "come on guys what is going on here, this is completely broken"
Telling other people how to drive the car when you're not driving the car is back seat driving. That applies to everything.
Ok well then if I am ever in a car with you and the back tire is flat I will make sure to not say anything
Good, the light on my console would have already alerted me that the tire has low pressure, and the car would be leaning to one side and be physically apparent that something was wrong, which would lead me to pull over for a visual inspection.
Would you have told your passengers hang on guys I have a flat tire? They didn't.... For a year. Every big patch I would start a thread asking why is shadow image not in the patch notes. Know what would end up happening?
Nope, I think if they look out the window they would be able to visually tell we were pulling over, and since you made it a apparent in this hypothetical scenario that you also realized the tire was flat, once I park and leave the vehicle you can them inform them if why we pulled over if you should so chose. I'd personally not waste any time talking though, and just go fix the problem and be on my way asap.
If a year is asap then....
That's how long it takes for the Earth to make a full revolution around the Sun, so sometimes a year is as soon as possible for some things.
We will see if you sing that tune when w/e class you play have a defining skill that is broken for a year
I've main'd Templar, NB, DK, and now Necro. Everyone of them has had something major broken at some point in time since 2014. NB has had dsync issue with cloak off and on making it hard to run poison builds for ganking. Necro's BB is always drunk, and their "netch" ability can get LOS'd super easily and be a wasted GCD. I was going to main Sorc instead of Necro but apparently streak still gets desynced and bugs out on invisible terrain.
I've experienced enough "brokenness" to be frustrated. But even so, I'll be singing the same tune for years.0 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭Personally I think a lot of forum readers are far too soft. A lot of boomer and millennial cry babies with too much time on their hands.
For example, if I were to say “why instead of crying about nerfs you learn to get gud”, the thin skinned forum warrior will be like: “he’s rude”, but there’s nothing rude about it. Get gud.
There has yet been a nerf that has made anything impossible. Still completing all veteran trials, dungeons, and DLCs. Still rocking it in cp and no cp campaigns. Not every player will be good at the game. Myself I’m not amazing, I get rekt by the same people and I wreck the same faces. You’re not entitled to complete or be good at hard content.
Now if they are complaining about performance or stability — I get that, that’s beyond their control (kinda), but if they are on a console or PC with the right specs, the game should perform and shame on ZoS for allowing such performance. Personally I don’t experience anything out of the norm, sometimes a long load screen when a keep flips, and maybe some frame rate checks, and under a blue moon I might dashboard. But those who aren’t playing on absolute potatoes should still be able to play and that is something ZoS should address. I feel bad for the EU server.
Outside of that, OP says something to the effect of not liking anything about the game — my question is why even play it at that point? If you hate it so much leave. I mean that’s common sense 101. Also if words on a forum hurts your feelings, you need to prioritize how you interact with reality. The amaranth is real — and if your identity is so fragile that you feel “attacked” when someone calls out your bull, then that’s on you. You need to log out of the internet and get reacquainted with RL.4 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have noticed that in lots of threads where people voice their dissatisfaction with any issues with ESO on this forums there quickly appear other people who express their huge surprise that some people happen to not like a thing about ESO. It happens that these folk also ridicule or accuse the poster of having a too low an IQ or something similar. Kind of reminds me when a new Apple product used to launch and someone found it for some reason not to their liking and dared to say so...
Am I missing something here...? Any rewards for congratulating ZOS on the awesome job they are doing and attacking people feeling any different?
I call them the "ZOS apologists". They can be people who don't play much more than house decoration and any complaint about anything in the game is nothing to them thus unwarranted.
I try to be as constructive as possible but I just don't have it in me anymore. I'm at a point where I just want a refund... I've wasted so much money on this game that I can't accept anything dysfunctional about the game (notice that I'm not expecting anything to be perfect it just has to work).
My latest gripe with the game was guild trader stuck in search for item. At first I thought there weren't any results so switched zones etc. Turns out I had to log out and log back on to make it work...
That's on top of the 5-10 issues I've had this week...
Let's not talk about matchmaking
I hate being pitted against a full premade with a CP 76 and a high CP who just rage quits... Getting tired of the 3v3v4 or 2v3v4. Guess I should just be happy that I'm able to play at all...0 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭khajiitNPC wrote: »Personally I think a lot of forum readers are far too soft. A lot of boomer and millennial cry babies with too much time on their hands.
For example, if I were to say “why instead of crying about nerfs you learn to get gud”, the thin skinned forum warrior will be like: “he’s rude”, but there’s nothing rude about it. Get gud.
There has yet been a nerf that has made anything impossible. Still completing all veteran trials, dungeons, and DLCs. Still rocking it in cp and no cp campaigns. Not every player will be good at the game. Myself I’m not amazing, I get rekt by the same people and I wreck the same faces. You’re not entitled to complete or be good at hard content.
Now if they are complaining about performance or stability — I get that, that’s beyond their control (kinda), but if they are on a console or PC with the right specs, the game should perform and shame on ZoS for allowing such performance. Personally I don’t experience anything out of the norm, sometimes a long load screen when a keep flips, and maybe some frame rate checks, and under a blue moon I might dashboard. But those who aren’t playing on absolute potatoes should still be able to play and that is something ZoS should address. I feel bad for the EU server.
Outside of that, OP says something to the effect of not liking anything about the game — my question is why even play it at that point? If you hate it so much leave. I mean that’s common sense 101. Also if words on a forum hurts your feelings, you need to prioritize how you interact with reality. The amaranth is real — and if your identity is so fragile that you feel “attacked” when someone calls out your bull, then that’s on you. You need to log out of the internet and get reacquainted with RL.
You forgot Gen Z too.1 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@CleymenZero ZOS apologist aren’t a thing. Not everything is some seedy conspiracy — most people want the game to run smoothly as possible. And I know it might be mind blowing to you, but — for a lot of people the game runs pretty darn good. I’m a console pleb and have very little issues. I play probably 4 to 5 hours a day — mostly PvP in high density areas (either zerging or surfing the edge of a zerg), no issues. I might have a frame rate check here and there, or a load screen when a keep flips, but for the most part I can play consistently for those 4 hours. On the weekends it’s not abnormal for me to go 8 hours (split up throughout the day). So no, I’m not playing house. I also do vet trials and vet DLCs without issues. I heal and tank so I can find a group pretty fast with group finder, or I already am in a group of two or more —
Now that’s not to say ZoS doesn’t need to get their code together, because they do — everyone should be able to enjoy the game as much as I do.
My point is — the forum is an echo chamber, a lot of people aren’t even hardwired into the game, running on routers in households that have over 20 devices in the network, ect — I’m not saying that’s all cases, but I know it attributes to poor performance. Some people are on potatoes computers. There’s more moving pieces than anyone wants to address.
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CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@CleymenZero ZOS apologist aren’t a thing. Not everything is some seedy conspiracy — most people want the game to run smoothly as possible. And I know it might be mind blowing to you, but — for a lot of people the game runs pretty darn good. I’m a console pleb and have very little issues. I play probably 4 to 5 hours a day — mostly PvP in high density areas (either zerging or surfing the edge of a zerg), no issues. I might have a frame rate check here and there, or a load screen when a keep flips, but for the most part I can play consistently for those 4 hours. On the weekends it’s not abnormal for me to go 8 hours (split up throughout the day). So no, I’m not playing house. I also do vet trials and vet DLCs without issues. I heal and tank so I can find a group pretty fast with group finder, or I already am in a group of two or more —
Now that’s not to say ZoS doesn’t need to get their code together, because they do — everyone should be able to enjoy the game as much as I do.
My point is — the forum is an echo chamber, a lot of people aren’t even hardwired into the game, running on routers in households that have over 20 devices in the network, ect — I’m not saying that’s all cases, but I know it attributes to poor performance. Some people are on potatoes computers. There’s more moving pieces than anyone wants to address.
Equating the fact that there are apologists to a conspiracy is mind blowing.
I'm hard wired with a gigabit connection on a pretty advanced pc. Ryzen 7 3700x, 16gb DDR4 3866MHz Ram, GTX 1080ti, 1tb nvme SSD with setting lowered to insure there are no frame dips and nope, the moment there are 20+ players in Cyrodiil, I get constant health desyncs, can't barswap, can't CC break for 3-5 seconds and so on...
That's why I get so upset, because I made sure it wasn't on my side and it still is not a remotely good experience...2 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It has to do with the prevailing attitude in society that criticism is "hating" and that anyone who disagrees with you has an illogical opinion, no matter how reasoned their stance may be.4 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭@CleymenZero those are pretty good specs, not sure why you’re having such issues. I play on an Xbox one X and I can be on Alessia bridge with 20-30 plus of each faction and not have issues. As well as other streamers if you watch ESO streams. Idk. I’m just saying — to equate people who disagree with you as ZOS apologists is crazy in itself.0
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is subconscious thing. If you are complaining - you are weak in current situation (for example your PC is bad or your class was nerfed etc), and it is natural for animals to attack the weak. Basically, if somebody is too weak to hold on his animal instincts, he attacks OP to feel himself stronger. Those who instead of attacking, are supporting thread author (for example their ESO performance is bad too or they main same nerfed class), they are weak too and do it to feel stronger together. This is animal instinct too.
TL;DR - it is natural for humans to argue, to quarrel and to bicker, they (we) do it just fine without any rewards from ZOS.0 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭khajiitNPC wrote: »@CleymenZero those are pretty good specs, not sure why you’re having such issues. I play on an Xbox one X and I can be on Alessia bridge with 20-30 plus of each faction and not have issues. As well as other streamers if you watch ESO streams. Idk. I’m just saying — to equate people who disagree with you as ZOS apologists is crazy in itself.
For a start, instead of disagreeing with my issues or pretending they don't exist, just say you're not experiencing them. I won't call you an apologist if you don't experience these issues, I'll call you an apologist if you disagree (deny) that my issues are happening.
I see pc streamers having the same issues I'm having. The desyncs are usually y expressed as follows: "I'M PRESSING THE F@#&&%% BUTTON!! CAN I HAVE A SKILL FIRE PLEASE!!!!!!". Saw most streamers I watched have and issue with this recently and so did I.
I try to send ZOS a ticket every time I experience a problem. My problems are really happening and they're happening for a lot of users. Those that pretend they don't happen, that everything is golden are apologists IMO. Those that don't experience them but understand they may be happening, I simply envy...2
