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Vampire & Werewolf Infections: The Ugly Truth
JJDrakken
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So by now most folks know where & how to get infected. (If you do not, feel free to ask here, I do know RIFT is one zone for the Pact)
But the Ugly Truth is, people who are infected will charge you between 15-25k to infect you. Which is fine, if they so choose to do this, that is their choice.
But the problem here is, those exact same people who are charging you for the bite, will then form hunting packs & prevent others from trying to get infected, by killing the mob as fast as possible.
This results in maybe 1 person getting it, then that person turns around & does that same most likely. It's a vicious cycle. Before people come in here say oh you want to get infected & charge people too & kill mobs to bully & racketeer like the others.
Nope, If I could ever become a vampire, I would gladly infect others for free. Sadly, since they only spawn at night & only few times a week. It's become a hassle.
So what does everyone else think of this? Should they get banned? Should the mechanic become easier for those wishing to get infected, etc...
But the Ugly Truth is, people who are infected will charge you between 15-25k to infect you. Which is fine, if they so choose to do this, that is their choice.
But the problem here is, those exact same people who are charging you for the bite, will then form hunting packs & prevent others from trying to get infected, by killing the mob as fast as possible.
This results in maybe 1 person getting it, then that person turns around & does that same most likely. It's a vicious cycle. Before people come in here say oh you want to get infected & charge people too & kill mobs to bully & racketeer like the others.
Nope, If I could ever become a vampire, I would gladly infect others for free. Sadly, since they only spawn at night & only few times a week. It's become a hassle.
So what does everyone else think of this? Should they get banned? Should the mechanic become easier for those wishing to get infected, etc...
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mechasauce✭✭I think its disgusting...exploiting a game feature, to make crazy amounts of money and subsequently destroy the games economy. Shouldn't be banned, but hunted and burned at the stake!
However, having said this..I don't really care for being bitten/infected...so my point is mute.5 -
Orizuru✭✭✭I really only see it as a temporary problem. If you give it a few more weeks there should be enough people infected with the curse to circumvent the effectiveness of the small groups trying to control the market. The behavior is definitely less than fair play, but I think its something that the devs will tread lightly upon in the hopes that players find a solution for themselves without developer intervention. They're probably just sitting back and playing the numbers game I'm referencing. Since the potential number of people able to infect other has the potential to double each week, it shouldn't take long for there to be enough people infected to create enough competition for selling bites to stabilize the market at a reasonable price for players who aren't able to get infected by rare spawns.
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Commonpain✭✭✭Sad as it is, I dont think this will be changed by ZOS.
Whole Clans of Vamps / WW's have formed early during beta to do exactly this. But it wont take long for this to change by itself. As Every 7 Days more people get infected, the amount of people who are Vamp/WW will increase exponentially. Just wait for some more weeks and a bite will cost you some few K maximum. The people who do this? Organised people who know exactly how to make money. And if the Vamp/WW thing is gone, they will already have the next thing going on to lighten your wallets
Anyways, best shot for getting bitten is joining a nice guild, asking friends or relogging over and over again at new/full moon 0 -
I have to say, as someone who has no desire to become a vampire or a werewolf, that is *does* seem like there's an over-abundance of concern on this issue when I have seen free bites offered (not often, but I *have* seen it).
I have a feeling that one's perspective has a lot to do with this particular issue. It seems like a huge problem to people who lust after vampire/werewolf status because it's of very specific importance to them, but to the rest of us it just seems like the normal issues that we encounter with any rare mob... they're gonna be targeted for a plethora of reasons, not merely to thwart your ambitions.3 -
Yankee✭✭✭✭Best to just join a decent guild. By decent I mean one where guildies help each other out, including infecting you for free with a nasty curse if you like.
Edited by Yankee on April 14, 2014 12:35PM1 -
Katkon✭✭✭As someone else said - it's a temporary problem as (1) hunting packs won't create sustainable fun - they'll eventually get very bored, (2) Zenimax will likely do something about it if it continues - i.e. create random spawn locations, and (3) gold is irrelevant in this game; other than to buy a horse there's literally no need for it. sure, you need a bit to repair armor, but that's it. You can easily survive with $2-5K in your pocket indefinitely, if you craft. So building up massive bank balances of virtual currency gets these players literally nowhere in a hurry.2
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Phadin✭✭It would be nice if free bites were offered, but a player can only offer a bite once a week, and if more are holding back for large sums of money then are offering free ones, then that becomes the pervelent perception of the community. When I do get to become a werewolf, I'd definately offer free bites myself.... but i'm a slow player, only level 8-9 on my characters, so no where near that yet.0
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Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭ESO has rapidly become 'The Infected Scrolls: Vampires vs. Werewolves'.
Any interest I may have had in either was drowned away in the flood of blood and fur that's been plaguing the game since the first bite.
Gold and guild spam isn't even the true nuisance of /zone anymore. Now it's people spamming for bites.
ESO players should ban together to research a cure for this epidemic before it spreads further. I've called the CDC in on this, and they assure me that left untreated, there will be no uninfected players left within three (3) months.Edited by Sarenia on April 14, 2014 12:53PM[beta_group_85b_9]4 -
Hawke✭✭✭✭Don't worry... let everyone be infected... just means fighter guild skills will be used more.2 -
Kyosji✭✭✭I do believe some of the GMs posted in the forums they are looking into this problem, as killing the mob you need just for the sake of you not getting it was against the EULA. I think one went in more detail in one of the postings about boss camping. Said that camping the boss for loot was perfectly legal, but camping it just for the sake of others not getting it being a jerk was against the rules. Chances are that in the near future you will see the people killing these mobs for the sake of you not killing them will probably get a warning and a suspension.0 -
Shimond✭✭✭✭I imagine by now everyone has already posted their opinions in the other gigantic thread on this that even had a reply or two from ZOS about looking into the issue.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/73742/so-it-has-really-come-to-this/p1Edited by Shimond on April 14, 2014 1:09PM0 -
SadisticSavior✭✭✭Report the people doing it. Take screen shots. name names.
/ignore the players doing it. This will place you in a different phase.
Problem solved. Thats all you need to do.My Vampire guide - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99101/my-vampire-experience0 -
Klimarov✭✭✭what are you trying to report people fore? mobs spawn, mobs are getting killed. there is nothing wrong. Want vampire skill line, try harder. The market will eventually self adjust. Any how only the lazy people pay those 20k. Also it's supposed to be a rare skill line, not just available for every lazy ass who can come in specific time and get the bite.2
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Hearts✭✭✭Talks have been going around some guilds (three that i know of) is that IF this is something some guild/guilds has organized then we would start giving away bites for free. Just to kill off the guilds who are trying to monetize on the bites.1 -
SadisticSavior✭✭✭
Griefing.what are you trying to report people fore?
So what? If you are doing it with the intent of griefing someone one, it is still griefing. It'll be up to the DEVs/MODs to decide if it is griefing or not. All we can do is report them.mobs spawn, mobs are getting killed.
The fact that something is legal in a game does not necessarily mean it is impossible to exploit it to grief someone.
According to who? No one here made the rules. Obviously the DEVs intended for people to be able to do this or they would have made it more random.Also it's supposed to be a rare skill line, not just available for every lazy ass who can come in specific time and get the bite.
My Vampire guide - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99101/my-vampire-experience3 -
It'd be nice to become a werewolf or a vampire, i might stick to one character if that was to happen. However it won't with the amount of people that keep killing the mobs as soon as it spawns. I've also been in two guilds so far that has had 1 or 2 members scammed for bites, first guild was someone scammed out of 15k for a vamp bite and the second guild was a fella who got scammed out of 30k for a wolf bite. Plus asking someone to bite you for free is like asking them to cut their wiener off, they look at you, laugh, then laugh some more.
Tip; Unless you have a very trustworthy friend, don't waste you time. It's a 95% chance that you'll get scammed. I've come to the conclusion that i won't be able to become one until i manage to do it myself without any help.Edited by itsXthomasTAG on April 14, 2014 5:38PM3 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Commonpain wrote: »And if the Vamp/WW thing is gone, they will already have the next thing going on to lighten your wallets
Right now that would be crashing the line at Motes in the Moonlight and botching the quest for everyone.Edited by kirnmalidus on April 16, 2014 6:37PMLife of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
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Madae✭✭1. Buff Silver bolts to insta-kill vamp/ww players.
2. Give all non-infected the means to cure an infected every 7 days.
3. ?
4. Must be profit.2 -
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✭Buying bites is the cost of convenience - fixing the market however is a seriously d-bag thing to do. But that's what happens when you have kids that weren't properly raised and had negative behavior enforced with the playing of sports where no score was kept and the winning of participation trophies.
It skews one's view on sportsmanship.
But then again there's gonna be *** everywhere so, just be wary - find people that aren't knuckleheads and gravitate towards them.
The knuckleheads will flock to the other knuckleheads and eventually screw each other over - causing a lasting feud in which they'll have someone else to bother - each other.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
P2PBetaTesters
#Tamriel_BETA_Team
#BETA_TESTER4LYF
DominionMasterRace
#GOAHEADTHEYGOTCANDY
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WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also, your first mistake is joining a guild that CHARGES you for a bite - there are plenty out there that'll give them for free once you proved you're not gonna get infected then bail.
There's jerks at both ends of the spectrum - selfish *** that want want want now now now and don't care who they have to screw over to get it and the one's with the supply that wanna get something and give nothing
Either way, their gene pools need chlorine and one can only hope they're all sterileShendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
P2PBetaTesters
#Tamriel_BETA_Team
#BETA_TESTER4LYF
DominionMasterRace
#GOAHEADTHEYGOTCANDY
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crush83✭✭✭✭Personally, I think they should ban the idiots who are buying the bites for 15-20k a pop. Seriously...
Also, where are these people getting the money to pay for these bites? I see this crap advertised in lowbie areas, so I can only imagine they are buying their gold from gold farmers.Edited by crush83 on April 16, 2014 7:14PM0 -
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Griefing.what are you trying to report people fore?
So what? If you are doing it with the intent of griefing someone one, it is still griefing. It'll be up to the DEVs/MODs to decide if it is griefing or not. All we can do is report them.mobs spawn, mobs are getting killed.
The fact that something is legal in a game does not necessarily mean it is impossible to exploit it to grief someone.
According to who? No one here made the rules. Obviously the DEVs intended for people to be able to do this or they would have made it more random.Also it's supposed to be a rare skill line, not just available for every lazy ass who can come in specific time and get the bite.
Yeap totally agree and report them for it.
Sometimes if you actually manage to see their name , they might have a name you know , try reporting it also , making people lose the names they got day 1 should add a nice grief to the griefers."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭✭Killing the mobs is kinda a jerk thing to do.
Selling the bites is 100% legit. If people are willing to pay, then why wouldn't people be willing to sell? They only get 1 bite per week and it took them time to get to that point (level 7 vamp) as well as a skill point.
Besides, I'd actually rather see Vampire and Werewolf remain relatively rare, instead of everyone being one or the other.2 -
I'd rather not become infected, my armor is made of silver and I wear garlic around my neck, armed with a pistol full of silver rounds and a bunch of wooden stakes. I'm up for hunting them!1
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crush83✭✭✭✭Killing the mobs is kinda a jerk thing to do.
Selling the bites is 100% legit. If people are willing to pay, then why wouldn't people be willing to sell? They only get 1 bite per week and it took them time to get to that point (level 7 vamp) as well as a skill point.
Besides, I'd actually rather see Vampire and Werewolf remain relatively rare, instead of everyone being one or the other.
I'm torn on the killing the mobs issue. Part of me says it's griefing, and part of me says it's just another mob, and we shouldn't be cracking down on players killing mobs. I mean, if these people really want to waste their time in-game camping a mob and killing it so others can't get Vampirism or Lycanthropy, then that's really their prerogative.
I think more research should be made into how some players are affording the bites so early on.
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Killing these vamps/weres in game, does it take special weapons like in vamp/weres lore or is it like in other ES games where anything can kill them? Also is there a cure like in the other ones?Edited by cthulhucometh on April 16, 2014 7:41PM0