Vampire & Werewolf Infections: The Ugly Truth

DragonMother

I'm actually making a list of people to bite for no cost to them. If they have the patience to wait the week cooldown between bites, I'll be happy to provide for them what they seek. I'm currently ranking up ww so I'm not able to bite yet, but I will in due time.

NordJitsu

crush83 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Killing the mobs is kinda a jerk thing to do.

Selling the bites is 100% legit. If people are willing to pay, then why wouldn't people be willing to sell? They only get 1 bite per week and it took them time to get to that point (level 7 vamp) as well as a skill point.

Besides, I'd actually rather see Vampire and Werewolf remain relatively rare, instead of everyone being one or the other.

I'm torn on the killing the mobs issue. Part of me says it's griefing, and part of me says it's just another mob, and we shouldn't be cracking down on players killing mobs. I mean, if these people really want to waste their time in-game camping a mob and killing it so others can't get Vampirism or Lycanthropy, then that's really their prerogative.

I think more research should be made into how some players are affording the bites so early on.

Ya I actually agree that they shouldn't be "cracked down on" by ZOS. Originally I thought this would be cause for GM action. After thinking about it more, there's nothing about it that's against the TOS really.

Vamps and werewolves are enemy mobs. People are and should be free to kill them.

Its still jerky if you're camping them intentionally to drive up prices. Not everything that's jerky requires disciplinary action.

What this requires is community action. If you don't like what people are doing, go camp the Rift and offer to give away bites for free. That'll undercut the market.

crush83

Don't have to offer the bites for free even. Just offer them for a reasonable price. I mean a week cool-down on offering bites seems to me like it would be worth at least 5-7k gold for a rare skill line.

I'm a completist, so I'll want to earn it myself, but I wouldn't be upset if people were buying it for 5-7k a pop instead of 15-20k. I'm still concerned about where level 8-15 players are getting 15-20k...

Madae

NordJitsu wrote: »

Besides, I'd actually rather see Vampire and Werewolf remain relatively rare, instead of everyone being one or the other.

You won't see that because the game doesn't enforce it. The current mentality is to grab and do every quest you can, which ultimately means activate every skill tree. After all; there's no reason not to. I didn't do Mages or Fighters Guild quests at first because I had no interest in joining them, or felt my character didn't really fit either of them to begin with, but I eventually did out of necessity (needing the experience) and the fact that it doesn't really hurt me to join them... I can still do everything else and join future guilds.

Vampires and Werewolves need limitations that are actually noticeable if you want them to be rare... something that has to be, basically, so annoying to get around it that it makes being one a chore (but obviously not to the people that want to really be one - a fine line). Everyone can name the benefits, but not the disadvantages... because there are hardly are any worth remembering... despite the fact that in most fantasy writing, there are huge restrictions to being one.

They're basically one of the only major choices in this game that matter, since you can only be one or the other, but even that is something that you can get around by just curing it on a whim and going the other way... you still keep the exp.

... but you know what this really is? This is fanfare for a bunch of nerds that want to be one and, arguably, feel no pain in the process, and some of them are just smart enough (or heartless enough) to take advantage of the way it was implemented.

Just think of it this way; how many of you want to be the vampire from Twilight instead of the vampire from Underworld? I say it's hip to be human - there's your rarity.

Orizuru

crush83 wrote: »

Personally, I think they should ban the idiots who are buying the bites for 15-20k a pop. Seriously...

Also, where are these people getting the money to pay for these bites? I see this crap advertised in lowbie areas, so I can only imagine they are buying their gold from gold farmers.

The buyers aren't doing anything wrong. Why should they be punished?

The people selling the bites, legitimately at least, aren't the problem either. The only problem with the system are the people scamming buyers and the infected players who are running hunting parties to try and prevent players from becoming infected. Those are the people who should be punished.

And making gold is so easy in this game. I made about 10k gold just from the quests in Grahtwood on my templar.

NordJitsu

@Madae‌

You're wrong.

Werewolf doesn't have any major draw backs, but Vampire has some huge draw backs that make it a serious decision point.

Your health regen gets massively hit in later stages. You take 50% more damage from all fire. Silver Bolts is incredibly effective against you.

crush83

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

The buyers aren't doing anything wrong. Why should they be punished?

Maybe you didn't pick up what I was hinting at. I was insinuating that a lot of the buyers are buying gold from gold farmers so that they can afford the 15-20k bites. I saw some level 10-15 buyers in Stonefalls trying to buy the bites for even 50k. Now, maybe these guys power-leveled another character already and had boat loads of gold. That is a possibility.

I'm willing to bet more than a few of them obtained that gold through buying it with real money. You want the gold sellers to go away? Stop buying gold from them.

Orizuru

crush83 wrote: »

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

The buyers aren't doing anything wrong. Why should they be punished?

Maybe you didn't pick up what I was hinting at. I was insinuating that a lot of the buyers are buying gold from gold farmers so that they can afford the 15-20k bites. I saw some level 10-15 buyers in Stonefalls trying to buy the bites for even 50k. Now, maybe these guys power-leveled another character already and had boat loads of gold. That is a possibility.

I'm willing to bet more than a few of them obtained that gold through buying it with real money. You want the gold sellers to go away? Stop buying gold from them.

I didn't miss your hint. I dismissed your assumption that they must have bought gold to be able to afford to buy a bite.

crush83

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

I didn't miss your hint. I dismissed your assumption that they must have bought gold to be able to afford to buy a bite.

Whatever. Yeah. You're right. 15k is a drop in the bucket for a level 10.

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Lalai

I am not in any hurry to get infected.. so I'm not as annoyed by the issue as I could be. I also don't have any trouble with people selling or buying bites.

I do have a problem with people essentially camping the spawn to make sure nobody (or next to nobody) can get the bites "naturally". Kinda a jerk thing to do, and borderline griefing.. I'd likely report if someone was doing it.

xshadowclawzz12

No, not banned, that's too strong. But there should be something done about it. They should be given a warning and zos should state so everyone can see that this isn't allowed

Natjur

Easy fix, make the spawn spots RANDOM locates. No more camping and more random chance of getting the infection.

Madae

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Madae‌

You're wrong.

Werewolf doesn't have any major draw backs, but Vampire has some huge draw backs that make it a serious decision point.

Your health regen gets massively hit in later stages. You take 50% more damage from all fire. Silver Bolts is incredibly effective against you.

Not everyone has fire damage, and silver bolts are not universally useful enough to warrant being used in every build, as well as their being better skills to choose from, so ultimately, they aren't enough and it's still too easy. It doesn't take a lot of know how to reset your health regen either.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Since this seems like the right topic,

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PBpsy

In the last 4 pugs I have been there was always at least one vamp/werewolf. This problem is going to die fast since there are already to many vamps/werewolfs out there . I think there should have never been an option to transmit it.

Mortelus

Change to random spawns anywhere at night on the correct night and only a few spawn. So you really have to be lucky to bump into one.

zydrateanatomy

I want at least one vamp and werewolf.

Is all of this an issue if I don't bother trying to buy a bite? I expect my alts to just work their way to 40+ to get it themselves. Is it an issue then? Like, boss-camping in all the solo dungeons (all of them. ever.)

LarZen

People hindering other players from enjoying the game should be warned and punished if they don't comply. I have no problem with players selling a bite. That is between the seller and the buyer.

But players hindering other players from content in the game is most likely in violation of the terms of use. I would think so anyways. And I hope Zenimax will take action sooner then later so people can enjoy the game like they should.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Klimarov wrote: »

Also it's supposed to be a rare skill line, not just available for every lazy ass who can come in specific time and get the bite.

Point out where it says it's supposed to be a rare skill line?

There are already horde's of them around and it's still early days. In a few months anyone that wants it will have it.....

That's pretty much the opposite of rare.

On the EU server there are folk biting others for free just to hand it around.

Others are making a small fortune charging for it.

They were never going to be rare.

Natjur

Reminds me of that movie where almost the whole world was vampires and normal humans were rare and kept in blood farms.

Jadeviper1974

xshadowclawzz12 wrote: »

No, not banned, that's too strong. But there should be something done about it. They should be given a warning and zos should state so everyone can see that this isn't allowed

I disagree, its simple extortion and should be grounds for being banned permanently, period.

Jadeviper1974

LarZen wrote: »

People hindering other players from enjoying the game should be warned and punished if they don't comply. I have no problem with players selling a bite. That is between the seller and the buyer.

But players hindering other players from content in the game is most likely in violation of the terms of use. I would think so anyways. And I hope Zenimax will take action sooner then later so people can enjoy the game like they should.

They got their warning in the TOS which actually addresses hindering other players. No warning just banned, period.

thisisdustinsemail_ESO

What if things were the other way around?

What if people who got bitten by werewolves and vampires were FORCED to turn into them? What if the diseases came with more burdens than advantages? What if they could then bite one other person a week and force the disease onto them?

Would that be more fun?

thilog

mechasauce wrote: »

I think its disgusting...exploiting a game feature, to make crazy amounts of money and subsequently destroy the games economy. Shouldn't be banned, but hunted and burned at the stake!

However, having said this..I don't really care for being bitten/infected...so my point is mute.

Hahaaa.. I agree.. oh and it's moot..

That said.. I did have a question.. if you get bitten.. you don't turn until you bite.. isn't that right? Does the initial bite effect wear off after a period of time? Like in skyrim? You don't bite, you don't become a vampire?

Is it the same for werewolf? I don't really want to be either.. I like not being either.

thilog

cthulhucometh wrote: »

I'd rather not become infected, my armor is made of silver and I wear garlic around my neck, armed with a pistol full of silver rounds and a bunch of wooden stakes. I'm up for hunting them!

Pistol? You in the right game here son?

Imho.. killing vampires and werewolves is and can only ever be right.

However, doing it to exploit a game mechanic to get rich quick. Wholly unacceptable.

To clarify - If you happen upon a vampire or werewolf and kill it, because it's a vampire or werewolf.. nothing wrong with this.

If you do the above, so that it makes it harder for someone to get a legitimate bite, so that you can sell a bite.. then there's something actually wrong with you already, if you cannot understand this. If you do understand this and still do it.. well, that's the same as botting in my book. Whilst the former is forgiveable and educationally promising.. to rectify.. the latter is not, at any level. You deserve the same bin as the one they put botters and gold sellers into.

I think it's pretty obvious that ZO could make werewolf and vampire attacks more available if they wanted to.. ie a solo player mission, where the player can then choose to accept the "upgrade" or refuse it. This would give every player the choice.. obviously this would make the game more fun for everyone and it would thwart the exploiters. Win Win. Loose.. haha!

however and some of you may already know, I assume Zo doesn't want to give us choices.. and thus will never do this.

Cos my glass is half empty.

itsXthomasTAG wrote: »

I've come to the conclusion that i won't be able to become one until i manage to do it myself without any help.

Sorry I had to.. How exactly do you do it yourself, without any help? Roflmao!!!

Makkir

Vamps and Werewolves should be *red to other players while in their Vampire or Werewolf form. *Red* meaning attackable by other players

Lopan

I know nothing of how a video game like this is made.... But.. it seems to me there is a REALLY SIMPLE ANSWER. Make the vampire and werewolf spawn locations random and rare. No more camping. Then, let the market dictate everything. Who wants to run around in a world full of all V&W's? It should be rare and random. Then, whoever wants to sell a bit may do so... and if the market dictates that the bite is worth 100k+, so be it. The market will take care of everything, but the game mechanic should be changed to make it random.

Skewki

not sure if it's been said before, but if this is a lingering issue the devs could just make the mobs that cause the infection unattackable (like friendly npc status) by people after they complete the quest to become vampire/werewolf.

Sadique

in case anybody didnt know, they also spawn in the veteran zones and ive seen them just sitting there and nobody around. soon as you unlock the VR zones you can just goto zone they normally spawn in for that faction, so the VR 5 zone and the VR 10 zone.