Sanguinor2 wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »To say this ultimate is not a gap closer which let's break down gap closer definition -
A move that player lock on opponent at over 10 meters and pulls the user to the opponent. This is a fact
MAKING DK LEAP A GAP CLOSER
Please please stop the bias attempt to act like this ultimate isn't over preforming as a meta. STUNS, stun are in my opinion the most effective tactic available or meta in pvp. (God please aleast let these bias dks get that). This is way it is my belief
THAT GAP CLOSER SHOULD NEVER STUN
Can you make up your mind already?
Yes it CAN be used as a gap Closer, emphasizing the CAN, you said that leaps Primary function is being a gap Closer, which is wrong, as I said previously its Primary function is burst Damage.
So again, yes it can be used as a gap Closer, but thats not its Primary function, nor is it a gap Closer in the sense of being a spammable gap Closer like all other gap Closers are.
It is an ult for burst Damage which CAN close a gap. But if you compare it to other gap Closers you will see that those are not ultimates and can be spammed (and some can also stun, streak and toppling come to mind)
If Leap was a projectile with the same dmg, ulti cost and the stun, 99% of the DKs would still use it, because it is the burstiest skill on a class that lacks class executes.
Even more, if Leap is a gap closer, how is that most sDKs run S/B and 2H gap closers?
Sanguinor2 wrote: »
If Leap was a projectile with the same dmg, ulti cost and the stun, 99% of the DKs would still use it, because it is the burstiest skill on a class that lacks class executes.
Even more, if Leap is a gap closer, how is that most sDKs run S/B and 2H gap closers?
True that.
Thats why I emphasize the can, leap can be used as gap Closer, but it actually doesnt get used as gap Closer unless you want to look cool or something, because you certainly cant use leap as your only gap Closer if you want to have any hope of catching up to someone.
Lol, yes, nerf dk some more. I love that yesterday it was dizzy. The same players are still dying so today is leap. Tomorrow it will be executioner because these players will get smacked for 16k executioner.
phoenixkungfu wrote: »All and most are saying the same thing. And that is bias. What I'm overall hearing is gap closers should not stun unless it's my dragon leap ultimate. Well I say it you dont stand for something you will fall for nothing. Right is right no matter the situation. AFTER PROVING DK LEAP IS A GAP CLOSER. We are making baby steps to a goal. It's clear that most agree gap closer should never stun as abilities. Now let's work on ultimate.
If a meteor stun with no q
Would it be overpowered
If you was just attacking a meteor user with no q with little to no reaction time. While attacking. And the meteor user on defense. use the ultimate and stun burst you before you can react
Would it be overpowered.
NOW ADD LAG and meteor as a metaphor for dragon leap.
phoenixkungfu wrote: »All and most are saying the same thing. And that is bias. What I'm overall hearing is gap closers should not stun unless it's my dragon leap ultimate. Well I say it you dont stand for something you will fall for nothing. Right is right no matter the situation. AFTER PROVING DK LEAP IS A GAP CLOSER. We are making baby steps to a goal. It's clear that most agree gap closer should never stun as abilities. Now let's work on ultimate.
If a meteor stun with no q
Would it be overpowered
If you was just attacking a meteor user with no q with little to no reaction time. While attacking. And the meteor user on defense. use the ultimate and stun burst you before you can react
Would it be overpowered.
NOW ADD LAG and meteor as a metaphor for dragon leap.
phoenixkungfu wrote: »So your agreement to gameplay balance is primarily that it's ok to break common sense gameplay breaking mechanic of a gap closer that can stun. if it can't be spam. Mmmm ok
In terms of spam, as a metaphor, dragon leap requires THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SET UP WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF REWARD. In the game. This is where the metaphor of" spam" comes to play. By it being a gap closer that player locks and damage,. the damage can be loaded up after the stun. Which is a gameplay BROKEN MECHANIC because it's a gap closer that stuns. Which results in players using this ultimate at cost in most to all cases in combat. Be it on defense or offensive. Which displays the metaphor of spam.
And easily makes this ultimate THE BEST ULTIMATE IN THE GAME TO DATE.
phoenixkungfu wrote: »Is dragon leap so versatile that in any situation the user is at a advantage? I explained before how to is true for dk. In terms of meter. Once upon a time meter had no q. No 3 sec to alert the player meter was cast on a player it was a nightmare to counter meter. Also casting a meter has a delay that provides no guarantee defense smell window of reaction time. It's always 3 sec. the dev have done a great job create a balance counter play to meter. In terms of dk leap. At a minimum I would like to see a q to show a leap is target lock on you.
HOWEVER, I SIMPLY BELIEVE GAP CLOSER SHOULD NEVER STUN.
TrinityBreaker wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »All and most are saying the same thing. And that is bias. What I'm overall hearing is gap closers should not stun unless it's my dragon leap ultimate. Well I say it you dont stand for something you will fall for nothing. Right is right no matter the situation. AFTER PROVING DK LEAP IS A GAP CLOSER. We are making baby steps to a goal. It's clear that most agree gap closer should never stun as abilities. Now let's work on ultimate.
If a meteor stun with no q
Would it be overpowered
If you was just attacking a meteor user with no q with little to no reaction time. While attacking. And the meteor user on defense. use the ultimate and stun burst you before you can react
Would it be overpowered.
NOW ADD LAG and meteor as a metaphor for dragon leap.
Nerf steak by removing its stun.
phoenixkungfu wrote: »To say this ultimate is not a gap closer which let's break down gap closer definition -
A move that player lock on opponent at over 10 meters and pulls the user to the opponent. This is a fact
MAKING DK LEAP A GAP CLOSER
Please please stop the bias attempt to act like this ultimate isn't over preforming as a meta. STUNS, stun are in my opinion the most effective tactic available or meta in pvp. (God please aleast let these bias dks get that). This is way it is my belief
THAT GAP CLOSER SHOULD NEVER STUN
Gap closers as toppling or shielded assault, maybe. But that will lead to a world where sorcs can streak away during months and never catch them, you know why?
But Leap? LEAP? a Ultimate skill used for the dmg it delivers? You know how stupid is to use leap against a streaking sorc? If the sorc is good enough he's going to break free and then streak with CC immnunity during 6 secs. How many streaks you can do in 6 secs? So, after the sorc is catched he has 6 secs when he can strike away.
Besides that, the DK has wasted all his ulti and since the sorc is streaking away he cannot generate more ulti. Even more, if the Sorc is good enough, he can just streak in the direction of the DK and put a beautiful stun, forcing him to burn stam. The same stam he uses to sprint.
Your is a L2P issue. I play DK as much as I play on my sorc, and I've never, ever had a problem with leap, because I leanrt to press the right button of the mouse, long, long ago.
Overperforming skills are those which have no counter. A skill that's countered with the right button of the mouse cannot be overperforming.
That makes me remember, what's the counter move against streak if the sorc catches me? Right, there's no counter, not even blocking. Move away from the trail or get stunned. And even with that, have you ever seen any DK here complaining about streak stun? No, right? Because dealing with streaking sorcs is a L2P issue.
Btw ultimates are the only skills that are balanced. Except nonsense silence (stun was better) incap strike.
PS: I dont play as NB.
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TrinityBreaker wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »All and most are saying the same thing. And that is bias. What I'm overall hearing is gap closers should not stun unless it's my dragon leap ultimate. Well I say it you dont stand for something you will fall for nothing. Right is right no matter the situation. AFTER PROVING DK LEAP IS A GAP CLOSER. We are making baby steps to a goal. It's clear that most agree gap closer should never stun as abilities. Now let's work on ultimate.
If a meteor stun with no q
Would it be overpowered
If you was just attacking a meteor user with no q with little to no reaction time. While attacking. And the meteor user on defense. use the ultimate and stun burst you before you can react
Would it be overpowered.
NOW ADD LAG and meteor as a metaphor for dragon leap.
Nerf steak by removing its stun.
Based on your logic - remove the stun from streak. It can be used as a gap closer!!!
phoenixkungfu wrote: »All and most are saying the same thing. And that is bias.
phoenixkungfu wrote: »So your agreement to gameplay balance is primarily that it's ok to break common sense gameplay breaking mechanic of a gap closer that can stun. if it can't be spam. Mmmm ok
In terms of spam, as a metaphor, dragon leap requires THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SET UP WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF REWARD. In the game. This is where the metaphor of" spam" comes to play. By it being a gap closer that player locks and damage,. the damage can be loaded up after the stun. Which is a gameplay BROKEN MECHANIC because it's a gap closer that stuns. Which results in players using this ultimate at cost in most to all cases in combat. Be it on defense or offensive. Which displays the metaphor of spam.
And easily makes this ultimate THE BEST ULTIMATE IN THE GAME TO DATE.
@Xvorg
for your concern: a skill that teleports your char from one place to another player or NPC is a gapcloser. be it instant, cast, ultimate or a potion. the skill closes the gap between you and your target.
=> this is what makes it a gapcloser.
N.B: if you dont have any target you CANNOT USE IT.
2nd point: streak teleports you somewhere at a fixed range. you can use it whenever you want as long as your ressourcepool pay the price. is it a great skill? yes, is it somehow heavily loaded? YES. is it another thread to create? maybe.
3rd: Leap hasnt been "tweaked" like any other gapcloser? oh that doesnt necessarly mean it isnt a gapcloser.
It only shows how privileged the skill has been for so long.
go on, fight for your piece of meat and show us more how biased (most of) you DKs are.