phoenixkungfu wrote: »

I explained many times why. I believe my opinion to be true. As stated before if your about to die. Its highly unlikely you would use onslaught or crescent to create a offense while defending to turn steal. However dk leap allows you to do this because of the stun. Pair this with the versatile nature of defenses and player lock as a gap closer. this is why this ultimate is in my opinion the best ultimate in the game.

kalunte wrote: »

just give 1 point to each effect or good things that leap has and you'll see how overperforming it is.

and for all of those who says "just block" or that it as a travel time, well, go to hell. when all other ult where to be nerfed with cast time or dmg reduce, or side effects removed or whatever, a vezry few numbers of you said "just block".

hypocrisy rocks this skill anyway.

ps: i suggest you to meet mayorz dd and sophious in a BG to feel how average leap is.

(ps2: i have nothing against you mayorz/dd, you didnt designed the skill yourself, you're simply using it because it's avcailable and powerfull and you're right to do so =p)

kalunte wrote: »

@jcm2606

like i said, just give 1point to any thing that this ult does, and do the same for others.

do not count passives (because they are awesome but ZoS already told that passive arent to be considered when it comes to active skills efficiency.).

then come back to me with your maths. since i'm biased or a child or whatever you think i am, show me this simple math and i'll compare to mine

until then..

• Pros:
  1. Very high burst, slightly higher than Onslaught, though it still respects resists, so the actual damage you'd get out of it is drastically lower.
  2. Knockback and stun for CC in a pinch, that can also create openings for a group ult dump.
  3. Off gap closer, in case you need to close the gap or get out of a sticky situation.
  4. Can optionally apply a damage shield to the caster equal to roughly half the caster's health, or deal even more damage with a longer range.
• Neutrals:
  1. Costs 125 ult at base, same cost as Dawnbreaker and 25 less than Onslaught.
• Cons:
  1. Has a travel time, and so is susceptible to being blocked, or even dodged if your opponent is quick enough, at range.
  2. Has a slight minimum travel time, that can occasionally allow a stun or CC to go through mid-leap. Thogard has caught a stamDK in his Dizzy mid-leap before, cancelling the leap and stunning them. A friend who's very proficient with magDK and is prominent in the PC NA dueling community has also ran into issues where she'd get stunned mid-leap.
  3. Is prone to having targeting issues, see clips below.

• Pros:
  1. High burst, a bit higher base tooltip than the initial hit of Dawnbreaker.
  2. Applies a 20% damage taken debuff to your attacks for 6 seconds, amplifying all following damage, making for very quick kill combos with enough damage behind it.
  3. Costs 70 ult at base, which makes it very reliable, nigh spammable.
  4. Restores 100 magicka and stamina every light/heavy attack on an enemy with a negative effect on them, for just being slotted. Pop a DoT on someone, and you've basically got 200 effective recovery from just weaving.
• Neutrals:
  1. Silenced effect basically gives away free CC immunity to stam, while being fairly annoying on mag due to no proper indicator. Can avoid this by just using it as often as possible while below 120 ult, so I consider this as just a neutral.
• Cons:
  1. Cast time makes it range from a right nuisance, to downright unusable, depending on lag.

• Pros:
  1. Respectable burst on targets around the caster, while targets in front of the caster take some heavy burst damage, heavier than the initial hit of Dawnbreaker.
  2. Extremely strong DoT centered on the caster, that pulses every 2 seconds and deals a truck load of damage.
  3. Costs 75 ult at base, which, like Incap, makes it very reliable, nigh spammable.
• Neutrals:
  1. None that I can think of.
• Cons:
  1. None that I can think of.

• Pros:
  1. Hugely buffs light and heavy attacks, making your weaves hit so much harder.
  2. Can optionally restore around 1k magicka on each light or heavy attack.
• Neutrals:
  1. Cheap activation cost, though subsequent attacks with it active consume ult, so kinda whatever.
• Cons:
  1. Very clunky.
  2. Very obviously telegraphed, making it easy to counter.

• Pros:
  1. Decent DoT centered on the caster.
  2. Applies a heavy snare on any players caught in the AoE, making it good for creating openings for a group ult dump.
  3. Applies chilled to any players caught in the AoE.
  4. Grants Major Protection to nearby allies for the duration of the ult.
• Neutrals:
  1. Costs 200 ult at base, though given the pros, I think the cost is justified.
• Cons:
  1. None that I can think of, really.

• Pros:
  1. Deals solid burst over the 3 second duration.
  2. Optionally deals increased damage on each hit, or stuns on the final hit.
  3. Applies Major Vulnerability, which monumentally increases damage taken by anyone caught in the AoE.
• Neutrals:
  1. None that I can think of.
• Cons:
  1. 20 second cooldown on Major Vulnerability application per target, so once it hits, you have to make all damage count, because you can't refresh Major Vuln for another 20 seconds.
  2. Costs 225 ult, so fairly high. Justified given the power, IMO, though it's still a negative.
  3. Very telegraphed, making it easy to get out of, though given the power, it needs a counter. Still a negative, though.

• Pros:
  1. High burst, a little weaker than both Incap and Crescent Sweep, but still very strong.
  2. Heavy DoT, offsetting the weaker burst.
  3. 2 second stun.
• Neutrals:
  1. Costs 125 ult at base, same cost as Dawnbreaker and 25 less than Onslaught.
• Cons:
  1. Cast time makes it range from a right nuisance, to downright unusable, depending on lag.

• Pros:
  1. Extremely high burst, lower tooltip than leap, though...
  2. Ignores resists, which makes the real damage this thing can deal so much higher than the tooltip would let you believe. Even if we were to compare against Take Flight, the increased damage morph of leap, you'd need to ignore just 13.2k resists to match the damage of Take Flight, any more is a damage increase.
  3. As if that wasn't enough, all of the ignored resists, are given back to you as penetration for the next 5 seconds. Fighting a dude at the resist cap? Land an Onslaught, and enjoy that juicy 33k penetration for the next 5 seconds.
• Neutrals:
  1. Costs 150 ult at base, so a bit higher than Dawnbreaker or leap, though not high enough that I'd consider it a negative.
• Cons:
  1. Cast time makes it range from a right nuisance, to downright unusable, depending on lag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprAGEEfOPk

jcm2606 wrote: »

Lemme just leave this here, one more time.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ScarySmilingSageTheTarFu

You guys really think this ult is OP and in need of nerfs? Really?

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

Sorry extremely disagree. Its main function that people use is a gap closer to line up with the next attack. Very rarely is it use as a combo ender. The numbers and percentages dont lie.
And
IT IS MY BELIEF THAT GAP CLOSER SHOULD NEVER STUN

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

Smh, I made a whole post on "should gap closers stun" please refer to that. This topic is a extension of the" should gap closers stun" post. All points have been cover in depth.