What's Worse? Fake Tank or Fake Healer.

Glurin · November 2019

Fake Tanking

I wouldn't go so far as to say healers are unnecessary or useless. The thing of it is, when you're talking about fake tanks and fake healers, it's usually in the context of PUGs. On top of that, most often it's PUGs formed from the dungeon finder. Chances are very good that your group is going to be less than ideal. But if you've got an actual tank and an actual healer, then more often than not you can muddle through despite the group's flaws.

Groups that rely entirely on brute force are far more vulnerable and chaotic. One mistake can lead to disaster. I'm not saying it can't be done, because obviously it can. But it's not exactly what I would call the go to solution for every random group of strangers.

Welkynar · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Weak dps and weak healers are troublesome but a fake tank is just malicious and a waste of time.

Hapexamendios · November 2019

Glurin wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

How about two fake DDs?

No such thing.

I’m going line up as DPS on my tank now.

Glurin · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

How about two fake DDs?

No such thing.

I’m going line up as DPS on my tank now.

Go ahead. You'll still just be a bad DPS.

FierceSam · November 2019

They as both as bad as each other.

Glurin wrote: »

I wouldn't go so far as to say healers are unnecessary or useless. The thing of it is, when you're talking about fake tanks and fake healers, it's usually in the context of PUGs. On top of that, most often it's PUGs formed from the dungeon finder.

Actually that is the only situation we’re talking about here.

That’s the point of the poll.

Healers aren’t unnecessary, they can add significantly to the group dps through buffs/debuffs and group survivability through healing/purging. Especially in PUGs. The issue for healers is that no DD will recognise that 30% of their damage is down to my healer’s buffing (or that the boss takes more damage due to the tank’s debuffs).

SkyMagpie · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What's Worse?

People who queue for LFG and then complain about what they get. Sort of like people who buy a lottery ticket and complain they didnt win.

I can deal with trying to heal and the "tank" is a sorc using a light staff. I can deal with trying to tank and doing 40% of the damage. I can deal with being DPS and the healer spends all their time rumbling through their inventory instead of healing. I can deal with trial players who blitz the dungeon and newbies who can barely stay alive...

But my pet peeve... what drives me absolutely nuts... are people who queue for random group content and then complain about the group they are dealt and even try to remove them. That is the worst player in this entire game. And i will take 100 nooblets that cant stay out of the red circle in the white circle or in front of me while i try to catch everyone with prayer any day over the people who complain about other people in random dungeon groups

At the current state of the game the Activity Finder system has necessary roles, you can't queue without a tank, healer and two DDs. Sure I don't choose what kind of people they will be, what their playstyle will be and a bunch of other things I'd expect from random people online and even if I don't like something about it, I am not going to complain.

However when you queue as a tank but aren't, you choose to lie to your team because they do expect a tank. You took up that one space in the team that was meant for a tank because you feel like you know better than the other three people. Some won't mind and wanna get that BC1 random finished, some might and kick you but it's still you who broke the contract of the Activity Finder because it's not yet a team of four randoms, it's divided by roles.

Best you can do is reason with those people and convince them that bosses won't be running around aggroing on everyone and you will get a nice fast run and most people will agree.

BeamsForDemacia · November 2019

Fake Tanking

In normal Dungeons u can literally do whatever u want;
for completing vet dung hm (basegame and dlc) u dont Need a heal but especially in dlc dds Need to heal quite a bit themselves;
if i had to Choose between a top Group with heal or without heal id also take the heal cuz like mentioned above u can just dps without Focusing on Survival and Sustain is usually better

zvavi · November 2019

Fake Tanking

While i am all about devil advocate and everything in this thread, when you meet a fake tank that doesnt taunt, etc, imho the answer to the situation is to slot a taunt yourself, semi tank it, and then kick the "fake tank" before last boss. I actually did it few times, funny thing is that i needed to convince members that he is a fake tank, and if i wasn't able to tank it instead, and the group was more of new players, they would suffer.

I mean, if you guys really want to fight the existence of fake tanks and fake healers, the answer is:
1. When you meet one and you can sub for the role, do it, and then kick him before last boss.
2. When you can efficiently tank/heal on a damage dealer, do so. Your queue time will be faster, you will hasten the queue time of everyone else, and worst case scenario you will get a vDLC and be all like "sorry guys, i went random with a taunt slotted, can i relog to my proper tank?" Dd queued will suddenly be less, and waiting time will go down for them as well.

llande · November 2019

They as both as bad as each other.

zvavi wrote: »

For what content? Why no fake dds in equation? If "fake tank" holds agro on boss and doesn't die, is it a fake tank? If healer provides eledrain and burst heals, but mainly deals damage, is it a "fake healer"? Please answer the questions above for me to understand the poll better, cause right now i have no idea what it is about

Fake tank confirmed

Belyar · November 2019

If you're just doing your normal daily base game dungeon ( or even vet ) you can fake w/e and still clear it without any difficulty. Faking it in DLC dungeons is a different story tho.

Major_Lag · December 2019

Oh, and by far the most annoying thing is the guy who queues as a fake tank (or fake healer) and immediately runs off ahead of the group to solo the bosses, leaving everyone else in the dust - no matter that they may be new to the dungeon, may not have done the quest yet, etc

When I'm tanking PUGs, I won't be putting up with such nonsense... instant vote to kick by the time it's obvious the moron does not understand what does it mean to be playing in a group.

If you want to solo the dungeon then just enter it from the map yourself, no need to waste the rest of the group's time for your shenanigans.

Stratti · December 2019

Fake Healer - A strong tank should be able to self sustain most encounters

Kelces · December 2019

Fake Tanking

I heal 60% on average with my templar tank, so...

zvavi · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Major_Lag wrote: »

Oh, and by far the most annoying thing is the guy who queues as a fake tank (or fake healer) and immediately runs off ahead of the group to solo the bosses, leaving everyone else in the dust - no matter that they may be new to the dungeon, may not have done the quest yet, etc

When I'm tanking PUGs, I won't be putting up with such nonsense... instant vote to kick by the time it's obvious the moron does not understand what does it mean to be playing in a group.

If you want to solo the dungeon then just enter it from the map yourself, no need to waste the rest of the group's time for your shenanigans.

Uh please. Has nothing to do with the discussion, especially since usually "hi i have quest" is totally sufficient. Tbh maybe you are the one that doesn't understand he/she is in group, and wants to procrastinate the run for no reason for 3 others, and should be vote kicked, no need to waste the rest of the group's time for your shenanigans.

See? Many opinions for how runs in group "should" be, vote kicking people because they are rushing without any communication is a no no. After all, it is an mmo, communication is part of group thing, and usually fixes most unpleasant situations, and please dont answer "they should communicate before doing so", because you are the one that has a bone to pick with them, so you should be the one trying to get them to do it your way.

zvavi · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Kelces wrote: »

I heal 60% on average with my templar tank, so...

Also this, tanks can slot blood altar and bring hell tons of heals to group easily, protecting damage dealers. healers cant slot taunt and suddenly be tanky enough for vet dlc bosses

Major_Lag · December 2019

zvavi wrote: »

Uh please. Has nothing to do with the discussion

Has very much to do with it, since it's about a specific type of player who fake queues for the tank or healer role - as opposed to the generic one, who fake queues "merely" to skip the lengthy DPS queue.

zvavi wrote: »

Tbh maybe you are the one that doesn't understand he/she is in group, and wants to procrastinate the run for no reason for 3 others, and should be vote kicked, no need to waste the rest of the group's time for your shenanigans.

You know, maybe it's the MAJORITY that's right? The reason that there is a MAJORITY vote to kick?
One bad apple in a group is a waste of 3 other people's time. Also, one is not a majority by any means.

I have no problem with speedrunning dungeons, IF everyone in the group agrees... good luck with that in PUGs, though.

zvavi wrote: »

vote kicking people because they are rushing without any communication is a no no. After all, it is an mmo, communication is part of group thing, and usually fixes most unpleasant situations, and please dont answer "they should communicate before doing so", because you are the one that has a bone to pick with them, so you should be the one trying to get them to do it your way.

Nope.
If YOU wish to complete the dungeon in an unusual way (skipping bosses, or waiting to read books, etc.), it's on YOU to communicate that to the rest of the group at the start - and the rest of the group may or may not agree to your request.

If you are PUGging a dungeon and expecting everyone else to skip and rush ahead without any communication, then I don't know what to tell you - other than "form your own premade", and then you can do whatever you want.

I don't care about what YOU are doing when you PUG dungeons... but when I do so, anyone who's still AFK by the time we reach the 1st boss, and/or anyone who rushes far ahead without any communication, will get voted to kick.
The group finder frequently fails to find a replacement, but that's OK with me - whoever gets vote kicked was dead weight anyway, so no real loss either way.

Gaggin · December 2019

I assume everyone who voted in this poll is fake dps... whether they know it or not.

zvavi · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Major_Lag wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Uh please. Has nothing to do with the discussion

Has very much to do with it, since it's about a specific type of player who fake queues for the tank or healer role - as opposed to the generic one, who fake queues "merely" to skip the lengthy DPS queue.

zvavi wrote: »

Tbh maybe you are the one that doesn't understand he/she is in group, and wants to procrastinate the run for no reason for 3 others, and should be vote kicked, no need to waste the rest of the group's time for your shenanigans.

You know, maybe it's the MAJORITY that's right? The reason that there is a MAJORITY vote to kick?
One bad apple in a group is a waste of 3 other people's time. Also, one is not a majority by any means.

I have no problem with speedrunning dungeons, IF everyone in the group agrees... good luck with that in PUGs, though.

zvavi wrote: »

vote kicking people because they are rushing without any communication is a no no. After all, it is an mmo, communication is part of group thing, and usually fixes most unpleasant situations, and please dont answer "they should communicate before doing so", because you are the one that has a bone to pick with them, so you should be the one trying to get them to do it your way.

Nope.
If YOU wish to complete the dungeon in an unusual way (skipping bosses, or waiting to read books, etc.), it's on YOU to communicate that to the rest of the group at the start - and the rest of the group may or may not agree to your request.

If you are PUGging a dungeon and expecting everyone else to skip and rush ahead without any communication, then I don't know what to tell you - other than "form your own premade", and then you can do whatever you want.

I don't care about what YOU are doing when you PUG dungeons... but when I do so, anyone who's still AFK by the time we reach the 1st boss, and/or anyone who rushes far ahead without any communication, will get voted to kick.
The group finder frequently fails to find a replacement, but that's OK with me - whoever gets vote kicked was dead weight anyway, so no real loss either way.

Never did i say skip. Nor did i say people expect others to rush. Nor did you even mention fake tanks or healers in your answer, but a specific type of player (which proves your opinion is irrelevant to the topic, since the player can be a dd, it doesn't really matter).
Since people that rush i was talking about, dont do any of the things you mentioned, your opinion is also invalid. If you have a problem with a "fake tank" that engages first, keeps the boss on him, and does your damage dealer job for you, it is off topic, because the topic is about fake tanks, that dont even taunt boss, and when boss is on them run like headless chicken/die.

Edit: sorry i missed the part about "specific type of fake tanks and healers" even though i addressed it too in my answer, since op confirmed that as long as "fake tank" doesn't die and keeps boss on him it doesn't count as fake tanking

Major_Lag · December 2019

zvavi wrote: »

Since people that rush i was talking about, dont do any of the things you mentioned, your opinion is also invalid. If you have a problem with a "fake tank" that engages first, keeps the boss on him, and does your damage dealer job for you, it is off topic, because the topic is about fake tanks, that dont even taunt boss, and when boss is on them run like headless chicken/die.

Edit: sorry i missed the part about "specific type of fake tanks and healers" even though i addressed it too in my answer, since op confirmed that as long as "fake tank" doesn't die and keeps boss on him it doesn't count as fake tanking

A real tank does more than merely taunt the boss and not die in the process: they also control the fights in such a way as to let the healer and DDs do their jobs. (real tanks also provide support to the group - debuffing boss, warhorn, chain and CC adds, etc. - but that's technically optional)

Whether the tank uses an actual tank build, or something like a PvP build (impen gear) with a taunt slotted, has no relevance in this case - as long as they don't storm off to solo the bosses by themselves, but let the rest of the group contribute to the fights as well (as expected of a tank).

Of course we could argue that, for example, a PvP build "tank" who only holds a taunt is an inferior tank, as compared to one that offers much more group utility - but they are not "fake" in the sense of queuing for a role they didn't intend to fulfill at all, as outlined by the OP.

OTOH, someone who queues as a tank and proceeds to rush ahead of the group without saying anything, and soloes the boss(es) while the rest of the group is still dealing with the first packs of trashmobs, is not a real tank by any stretch of the imagination - even if they are technically using a taunt (why - what's the point of taunting a boss you intend to solo???).
Whether they are actually a (decent) DD is completely irrelevant at that point: they queued as a tank, and are not even doing the bare minimum expected of the tank role.

Edit: this is no different than the people who post LFG in Cyrodiil zonechat, then once invited to a group they proceed to F off and go their own way, frequently to the opposite end of the map from where the rest of the group is.
Why do they even bother grouping in the first place, when they never intended to play with the rest of the group to begin with???

zvavi · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Major_Lag wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Since people that rush i was talking about, dont do any of the things you mentioned, your opinion is also invalid. If you have a problem with a "fake tank" that engages first, keeps the boss on him, and does your damage dealer job for you, it is off topic, because the topic is about fake tanks, that dont even taunt boss, and when boss is on them run like headless chicken/die.

Edit: sorry i missed the part about "specific type of fake tanks and healers" even though i addressed it too in my answer, since op confirmed that as long as "fake tank" doesn't die and keeps boss on him it doesn't count as fake tanking

A real tank does more than merely taunt the boss and not die in the process: they also control the fights in such a way as to let the healer and DDs do their jobs. (real tanks also provide support to the group - debuffing boss, warhorn, chain and CC adds, etc. - but that's technically optional)

Whether the tank uses an actual tank build, or something like a PvP build (impen gear) with a taunt slotted, has no relevance in this case - as long as they don't storm off to solo the bosses by themselves, but let the rest of the group contribute to the fights as well (as expected of a tank).

Of course we could argue that, for example, a PvP build "tank" who only holds a taunt is an inferior tank, as compared to one that offers much more group utility - but they are not "fake" in the sense of queuing for a role they didn't intend to fulfill at all, as outlined by the OP.

OTOH, someone who queues as a tank and proceeds to rush ahead of the group without saying anything, and soloes the boss(es) while the rest of the group is still dealing with the first packs of trashmobs, is not a real tank by any stretch of the imagination - even if they are technically using a taunt (why - what's the point of taunting a boss you intend to solo???).
Whether they are actually a (decent) DD is completely irrelevant at that point: they queued as a tank, and are not even doing the bare minimum expected of the tank role.

You gotta be more specific about the bone you are picking with people, because nothing in your first post said "people that skip" while you keep bringing out people that skip into equation. If people skip then i half agree with you. It aint ok. But voting to kick them aint ok either. You can't kick people because they forgot about the right boss above the stairs in direfrost keep. That's why communication is important.

Even though, again, you don't even talk about fake tanks or healers. You talk about the players that "rush ahead while skipping things" which is
1. Nothing in your first post specifically explained thats what you are talking about
2. Again, has nothing to do with the conversation, because it doesn't have to be the tank/healer, and is actually usually a damage dealer.
3. Side note, your post has made me conclude that you are running with few premade (not all premade) and bully people that join you in queue, no offense intended, but thats the vibe i get. Get your own conclusions.
4. From what i read in your answers, the rushing damage dealer tanks you talk about, do control the boss and adds... Boss on them, adds dead (therefore not on everyone else) unless of course we go back to the skipping part, which again, you didn't include in your first post.

spartaxoxo · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Glurin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

You sign up as a fake tank, then you damn well better be able to carry the ENTIRE group through the dungeon quickly and with zero deaths all by your lonesome, because that's the only way your actions should be even remotely tolerated. Emphasis on tolerated. Don't you dare place any responsibility on anyone else in the group. If the run fails for any reason, it is 110% your fault. Not the DPS who signed up to be DPS. Not the healer who signed up to be a healer. Just you.

If you taunt what your supposed to taunt, and can survive the things you're supposed to survive without help or with no more help than a real tank, then you're not the problem.

You're also not a fake tank.

The tank's job description can be summed up in three simple words. Control the boss. Everything else is just gravy. If you can control the boss and survive doing it, you are a tank, whether you're wearing a metal suit or a bathrobe.

Fake tanks are people who's idea of controlling the boss is to hit it with a really big rock and pray you kill it before it has a chance to do anything. They don't taunt, they can't survive a hit, they run around like a headless chicken when they've got aggro.... Simply put, they don't tank. Which means the boss just does whatever he wants and every battle is complete chaos.

I very much disagree. A real tank is able to debuff bosses and buffs allies so that dungeon can be completed in as safe and quick a manner as possible. And they are able not to just taunt a dangerous mob, but to control the crowds.

Me slotting inner fire on my pet sorc doesn't make me a real tank. I'm just a dps with a taunt

Glurin · December 2019

Fake Tanking

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

You sign up as a fake tank, then you damn well better be able to carry the ENTIRE group through the dungeon quickly and with zero deaths all by your lonesome, because that's the only way your actions should be even remotely tolerated. Emphasis on tolerated. Don't you dare place any responsibility on anyone else in the group. If the run fails for any reason, it is 110% your fault. Not the DPS who signed up to be DPS. Not the healer who signed up to be a healer. Just you.

If you taunt what your supposed to taunt, and can survive the things you're supposed to survive without help or with no more help than a real tank, then you're not the problem.

You're also not a fake tank.

The tank's job description can be summed up in three simple words. Control the boss. Everything else is just gravy. If you can control the boss and survive doing it, you are a tank, whether you're wearing a metal suit or a bathrobe.

Fake tanks are people who's idea of controlling the boss is to hit it with a really big rock and pray you kill it before it has a chance to do anything. They don't taunt, they can't survive a hit, they run around like a headless chicken when they've got aggro.... Simply put, they don't tank. Which means the boss just does whatever he wants and every battle is complete chaos.

I very much disagree. A real tank is able to debuff bosses and buffs allies so that dungeon can be completed in as safe and quick a manner as possible. And they are able not to just taunt a dangerous mob, but to control the crowds.

Me slotting inner fire on my pet sorc doesn't make me a real tank. I'm just a dps with a taunt

Buffs and debuffs are unnecessary and irrelevant to role. Crowd control for the most part falls on the DPS unless the adds are particularly dangerous. These things are not the tank's core job.

The tank is there to control the boss. Period. He keeps the group safe by getting the most dangerous enemy(s) to focus the bulk of their attacks on him and only him. He holds the boss relatively still so that the DPS don't have to chase him everywhere. Most importantly, he survives while doing these things. Everything beyond that is extra.

Just about everyone around here who complains about fake tanks would be fine with some guy that just spams inner fire and holds the block button as long as he doesn't die. It's far from ideal, but compared to a fake tank it can be a blessing.

luen79rwb17_ESO · December 2019

What's actually the worst is fake DPS. Ruining your game time with neverending trash pulls boss fights and enrage mechanics.

Kesstryl · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Fake tanks!! never stand still in the normal dungeons anyway.... It why i like having an ice staff for my healer/dps hybrids. That way if i have to, just to keep from getting dizzy in the game, . plus fake tanks waste my aoe and make it harder for me to heal. i can taunt with it if i must.. and do healing and dps and tanking if absolutely necessary... happens often enough on normal dungeons that the ice staff with healing staff plus icy conjurer and jorvulds def come in handy... Being the healer i never have to worry about a fake healer in the group so always its a fake tank issue that drives me crazy...

TBH, I dont mind so much as long as i am prepared for it. no problem here with doing 40% or more of the damage and 70% or more of the healing and tanking a wee bit if need be on normal dungeons. I'm pulling my weight. that's all that's needed... hurts no one to give a bit extra if needed.

As long as you don't use the ice staff when there's a real tank, this is not a problem. I've had mag dps use an ice staff who kept taunting everything from my tanks and that's also very annoying as I'm usually trying to position when tanking.

Kuwhar · December 2019

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

JusticeForJilarga wrote: »

This One is curious which one people think is worse, which one is more likely to prevent any success.

This One doesn't promote fake tank or fake healing, unless its a 4 person group you put together and everyone is OK with it.

Why is everyone crying about "fake" tanks here or on facebook? Normal dungeons don't need a tank or a healer. Veteran dungeons don't need a healer and some don't even need a tank tbh.

All this crying stems from people's inability to understand damage avoidance. Most of the times, DDs who happen to have an aggro in a normal dungeon kite the boss like it's going to hurt them. A heavy attack won't even kill you but everyone is free to dodge roll. But you know what? Most DDs don't know they can easily dodge roll the heavy attack. This way, there are some dungeons where you really don't need a tank, but someone who knows how to dodge roll and avoid taking unnecessary damage.

But the real plague of PUG dungeons are poor DDs with noodle deeps. Sometimes I have the need to quickly pug a normal dungeon on a tank to level up a skill or something like that, and the ammount of time it takes the bosses to die is horrible. Same thing happens in veteran dungeons.

I know I can ask for good DDs in a guild like Osiris Scale but sometimes I don't have the time to wait.

That's why when I'm on my DD I always take the role of "tank" if I go to a random normal dungeon. Because I know my deeps is enough to quickly kill what's there and not stretch it god knows how long. Many times the "fake" tanks and healers you're talking about are actually good players who know the dungeons, mechanics and have enough dps to quickly burn stuff before it gets bad.

Just because things *can* be done in certain ways, doesnt mean that its the norm or to be expected.

Especially when it comes to PUGs.

Thats great that you can basically solo these normal dungeons.

But ive been in plenty of groups on my healer (and tank) where people try to do that and it creates nothing but problems for the rest of us.

Whether thats repeated wipes, or me chasing people all over the place trying to heal.

wolfbone · December 2019

Fake Healer

fake healer. you can do a dungeon with out a tank, but you'll struggle a lot with out a healer, and more than likely fail.

wolfbone · December 2019

Fake Healer

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

How about two fake DDs?

No such thing.

Fake DPS is a "DPS" who does less than 5k damage per second. So probably less than the tank. Thus, a fake DPS. Even if one is a total noob, you have get some kind of dps gear/set up on. Rather than 7 different set pieces.

Normal dungeons don't need tanks to be honest. I always queu with a fake tank for normal randoms, and never had any problems because as a fake tank, I also heal myself and others and usually do more dps than the "noob dps's". So everyone stays alive and burns the Boss in relative quick fashion.

I never fake tank a veteran dungeon though. That's just silly.

wow. so in you view, I must be a fake dps, cos I dont do your standard of damage that you deem okay for dungeons.

Asardes · December 2019

Fake Tanking

Arx Corinium was pledge today so I queued on my Mag Warden as tank (has skills and gear for all 3 roles). On the first trash pull I noticed that stuff didn't die, checked CMX, group DPS was around 30K of which I was doing 10K or so as tank. Once that fight was done I just switched to my DD gear, slotted inner rage and plowed trough the rest of the dungeon. I was doing 50-60% of the group DPS while mostly block casting. But on the last boss I activated the scroll and switched back to tank just for the laughs. The boss took forever to die although I was keeping here in the water so she would not get the shield. That boss also has the bad habit of breaking the taunt half the time so I laughed hard seeing it wipe the floor with the other 3 players. I mean one was a lowbie, around 250 CP but the others were 750 CP and 810 CP respectively and they couldn't keep themselves alive, and their damage was total BS. I think they managed 12K in total on the boss till the end of the fight. I was doing 4-5K on top of that and I didn't die so we got it done

idk · December 2019

Daus wrote: »

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Pure healers are 100% unnecessary in all 4-man PvE.

Healers are for trials and PvP.

Correct.

Fake healers are a blessing. Actually healers are a waste of DPS.

This comment ignores a large number of players in this game. It is really irrelevant what the better players can do and that is all the comment above does. Elitism at it's best.

mustangmorgan31 · December 2019

Fake Tanking

starkerealm wrote: »

almightyalfo wrote: »

Come on, let's be real here, normal dungeons don't even need dedicated tanks...

You also don't need to use a microwave, but it does make life a lot more convenient.

Let's be honest about this: You don't need a tank, but when you don't have one, the boss is going to be all over the place, DPS will be swirling in the bowl, and everything will be way more annoying than it could have been.

I fake tank normals all the time. I slot inner fire and the crap is dead so fast it doesn't matter.