What's Worse? Fake Tank or Fake Healer.

JusticeForJilarga · November 2019

This One is curious which one people think is worse, which one is more likely to prevent any success.

This One doesn't promote fake tank or fake healing, unless its a 4 person group you put together and everyone is OK with it.

Lady_Linux · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Fake tanks!! never stand still in the normal dungeons anyway.... It why i like having an ice staff for my healer/dps hybrids. That way if i have to, just to keep from getting dizzy in the game, . plus fake tanks waste my aoe and make it harder for me to heal. i can taunt with it if i must.. and do healing and dps and tanking if absolutely necessary... happens often enough on normal dungeons that the ice staff with healing staff plus icy conjurer and jorvulds def come in handy... Being the healer i never have to worry about a fake healer in the group so always its a fake tank issue that drives me crazy...

TBH, I dont mind so much as long as i am prepared for it. no problem here with doing 40% or more of the damage and 70% or more of the healing and tanking a wee bit if need be on normal dungeons. I'm pulling my weight. that's all that's needed... hurts no one to give a bit extra if needed.

VaranisArano · November 2019

When I'm on my tank? Low DPS DDs.

When I'm on my healer? Fake tank, because either I or the squishiest DD inevitably get aggro. I van handle it, but its annoying to do two jobs at once.

When I'm on my DD? Fake tank, hands down. I can self heal, but I can't do much mid-fight about the boss running all over the area out of all my AOEs.

RaveRaveRaveRave · November 2019

Fake Tanking

This isn't even a question. Fake tanks are a million times worse than a fake healer. I welcome fake healers. I never play with healers...would much rather have 3 DPS. Most vet dungeons are impossible with a fake tank though.

almightyalfo · November 2019

I vote for: People who queue for veteran dungeons solo and then complain when they get a "fake tank".

Come on, let's be real here, normal dungeons don't even need dedicated tanks or healers, just DPS through everything, and get a premade group for veteran dungeons, simple as that, there are tons of guilds and people in alliance capitals waiting for people to group up with, you just need to press a few more buttons and you won't have an urge to cry here about it.

Marolf · November 2019

almightyalfo wrote: »

I vote for: People who queue for veteran dungeons solo and then complain when they get a "fake tank".

Come on, let's be real here, normal dungeons don't even need dedicated tanks or healers, just DPS through everything, and get a premade group for veteran dungeons, simple as that, there are tons of guilds and people in alliance capitals waiting for people to group up with, you just need to press a few more buttons and you won't have an urge to cry here about it.

This may be true for some, but I have came across plenty of players who struggle with normal dungeons. Do we dismiss them as part of the community just because of this?

almightyalfo · November 2019

Marolf wrote: »

This may be true for some, but I have came across plenty of players who struggle with normal dungeons. Do we dismiss them as part of the community just because of this?

We were all noobs when we started playing, and we all had to learn how to play the game, both in PVE abd in PVP. If people struggle to finish normal dungeons then they are:

1. New at the game or a low CP toon.
2. Refusing to learn the mechanics of the specific dungeon.
3. Refusing to listen to other peoples help and feedback.

Whilst we cannot dismiss those kinds of players, we can try to help them get better, and if they're beyond any help then just leave them alone for them to figure it out themselves.

starkerealm · November 2019

Fake Tanking

almightyalfo wrote: »

Come on, let's be real here, normal dungeons don't even need dedicated tanks...

You also don't need to use a microwave, but it does make life a lot more convenient.

Let's be honest about this: You don't need a tank, but when you don't have one, the boss is going to be all over the place, DPS will be swirling in the bowl, and everything will be way more annoying than it could have been.

madman65 · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Myself having the role of a tank, I got aggravated to the point of stop playing the role because of others taunting. Then you have the fake tanks that get pounded, die or run off. I just make sure I have some type of self heal as a backup.

Marolf · November 2019

almightyalfo wrote: »

Marolf wrote: »

This may be true for some, but I have came across plenty of players who struggle with normal dungeons. Do we dismiss them as part of the community just because of this?

We were all noobs when we started playing, and we all had to learn how to play the game, both in PVE abd in PVP. If people struggle to finish normal dungeons then they are:

1. New at the game or a low CP toon.
2. Refusing to learn the mechanics of the specific dungeon.
3. Refusing to listen to other peoples help and feedback.

Whilst we cannot dismiss those kinds of players, we can try to help them get better, and if they're beyond any help then just leave them alone for them to figure it out themselves.

You forgot disabled players in your list.

Anotherone773 · November 2019

What's Worse?

People who queue for LFG and then complain about what they get. Sort of like people who buy a lottery ticket and complain they didnt win.

I can deal with trying to heal and the "tank" is a sorc using a light staff. I can deal with trying to tank and doing 40% of the damage. I can deal with being DPS and the healer spends all their time rumbling through their inventory instead of healing. I can deal with trial players who blitz the dungeon and newbies who can barely stay alive...

But my pet peeve... what drives me absolutely nuts... are people who queue for random group content and then complain about the group they are dealt and even try to remove them. That is the worst player in this entire game. And i will take 100 nooblets that cant stay out of the red circle in the white circle or in front of me while i try to catch everyone with prayer any day over the people who complain about other people in random dungeon groups

Contaminate · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Not even a “fake tank” that’s an issue more than a “anyone who doesn’t know how to stand tf still when they have aggro” issue

I can self heal and hold aggro in just about any normal dungeon and even a lot of vets as a healer. If someone (anyone, tank, dps, whatever they’re trying to be) is running around with aggro from a mob instead of bringing it into the pull, I let them die because they earned their Darwin award

Dusk_Coven · November 2019

Role is not important. The fact is they are both queue-jumping cheaters and should be kicked unless they are part of group that includes someone who volunteered to carry.

Salvas_Aren · November 2019

How about two fake DDs?

Especially when my tank+heal teamup is not fake.

Glurin · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

How about two fake DDs?

No such thing.

Glurin · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Contaminate wrote: »

Not even a “fake tank” that’s an issue more than a “anyone who doesn’t know how to stand tf still when they have aggro” issue

I can self heal and hold aggro in just about any normal dungeon and even a lot of vets as a healer. If someone (anyone, tank, dps, whatever they’re trying to be) is running around with aggro from a mob instead of bringing it into the pull, I let them die because they earned their Darwin award

Eh... Typically if you're not a tank and you get aggro, standing still will get you killed, so there is some leeway there. Actually, standing still even when you don't have aggro will often get you killed.

That being said, it used to be MMO common knowledge that if you get aggro, you run toward the tank so that they can peal it off of you. So long as there aren't mechanics in place that lock aggro on you for a certain duration or something anyway. I think that little nugget got thrown out the window a few years back though, along with everything else like "don't stand in the stupid", "don't taunt if you're not the tank", "don't stand behind the healer", etc., etc.

susmitds · November 2019

Fake DPS. Ain't no dungeon getting finished with 5k DPS.

Zatox · November 2019

Fake Tanking

A fake healer is better than the real healer

Canned_Apples · November 2019

Regular (non-dlc) dungeons don't require a dedicated healer or tank.

Cirantille · November 2019

Dps who stands in red circles vs Dps who keeps taunting the boss

But prolly no one would win, because they would both die because of dumbness.

albesca · November 2019

Fake Tanking

I do dungeons mostly with my healer so my take may be a bit biased, but while all my DDs can self heal to a certain extent (if the healer in the group is either clueless or fake) surviving aggro from multiple mobs or a boss is another matter entirely (and standing still while being pummeled is non an option)

FierceSam · November 2019

They as both as bad as each other.

They’re both cheating players.

They’re both extremely selfish players who don’t give a toss about the people they’re playing with.

They’re players who clearly don’t have the three friends necessary to do dungeons however they like and want to leech off other players

They don’t care about the game and they don’t care about you

Rowjoh · November 2019

Fake Tanking

no brainer.

for obvious reasons.

Kurat · November 2019

You left out fake dps option. Nothing worst when I queue as tank for vet dlc dungeon and get 15k group total dps

Glurin · November 2019

Fake Tanking

Canned_Apples wrote: »

Regular (non-dlc) dungeons don't require a dedicated healer or tank.

Ain't about what regular dungeons technically require. Especially when you consider that not everybody is 810+ CP with maxed out BiS gear.

It's about lying on your resume. You signed up for the position of "tank". If you don't do that job, you are a liar and deserve to be fired. You think the foreman would be happy with you if you were hired to hammer nails and the first thing you do is march over to the excavator and dig holes everywhere? Particularly if what he really, really needed was somebody to hammer nails? I don't think so.

You sign up as a fake tank, then you damn well better be able to carry the ENTIRE group through the dungeon quickly and with zero deaths all by your lonesome, because that's the only way your actions should be even remotely tolerated. Emphasis on tolerated. Don't you dare place any responsibility on anyone else in the group. If the run fails for any reason, it is 110% your fault. Not the DPS who signed up to be DPS. Not the healer who signed up to be a healer. Just you.

zvavi · November 2019

Fake Tanking

For what content? Why no fake dds in equation? If "fake tank" holds agro on boss and doesn't die, is it a fake tank? If healer provides eledrain and burst heals, but mainly deals damage, is it a "fake healer"? Please answer the questions above for me to understand the poll better, cause right now i have no idea what it is about

juhislihis19 · November 2019

Glurin wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

How about two fake DDs?

No such thing.

Fake DPS is a "DPS" who does less than 5k damage per second. So probably less than the tank. Thus, a fake DPS. Even if one is a total noob, you have get some kind of dps gear/set up on. Rather than 7 different set pieces.

Normal dungeons don't need tanks to be honest. I always queu with a fake tank for normal randoms, and never had any problems because as a fake tank, I also heal myself and others and usually do more dps than the "noob dps's". So everyone stays alive and burns the Boss in relative quick fashion.

I never fake tank a veteran dungeon though. That's just silly.

Rasande_Robin · November 2019

Fake DD is the worst...

notyuu · November 2019

Fake Tanking

a fake healer just means everybody has to play more defensively, which while annoying is not the end of the world.

A fake tanks makes the entire rest of the team have to play bennyhill with the boss, nuking the dps into the ground and dragging the fight out, making it unplesant

r34lian · November 2019

Fake dps

AgaTheGreat · November 2019

JusticeForJilarga wrote: »

This One is curious which one people think is worse, which one is more likely to prevent any success.

This One doesn't promote fake tank or fake healing, unless its a 4 person group you put together and everyone is OK with it.

Why is everyone crying about "fake" tanks here or on facebook? Normal dungeons don't need a tank or a healer. Veteran dungeons don't need a healer and some don't even need a tank tbh.

All this crying stems from people's inability to understand damage avoidance. Most of the times, DDs who happen to have an aggro in a normal dungeon kite the boss like it's going to hurt them. A heavy attack won't even kill you but everyone is free to dodge roll. But you know what? Most DDs don't know they can easily dodge roll the heavy attack. This way, there are some dungeons where you really don't need a tank, but someone who knows how to dodge roll and avoid taking unnecessary damage.

But the real plague of PUG dungeons are poor DDs with noodle deeps. Sometimes I have the need to quickly pug a normal dungeon on a tank to level up a skill or something like that, and the ammount of time it takes the bosses to die is horrible. Same thing happens in veteran dungeons.

I know I can ask for good DDs in a guild like Osiris Scale but sometimes I don't have the time to wait.

That's why when I'm on my DD I always take the role of "tank" if I go to a random normal dungeon. Because I know my deeps is enough to quickly kill what's there and not stretch it god knows how long. Many times the "fake" tanks and healers you're talking about are actually good players who know the dungeons, mechanics and have enough dps to quickly burn stuff before it gets bad.

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