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NERF the TEMPLARS
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WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've never seen so many templars in pvp like there are now. Literally packs of templars roaming cyrodiil as we speak. Bottom line they made that class easymode. I logged onto my templar in pvp to get the teir 1 rewards the other night that I have not played in months. He didnt even have all of his gear on and I was still effective in pvp lol.
So what it's easy to get Tier 1 on a bunch of different classes even if you're a total potato.Edited by WreckfulAbandon on November 26, 2019 9:49PMPC NA
All my comments are regarding PvP2 -
Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
Okay then, L2P a different Class. That's essentially what you're advocating Templars by suggesting all these nerfs (or participating in Nerf threads) with literally zero fundamental rebuttal except "It too hard. I go die if you don't listen to me needs."
By the way, Sorcs are insanely annoying in BG's. Dump all burst combo, almost die, streak away....FAR away! Heal, come back and repeat. Or you have the StamDK with 30K+ HP and Res Caps Leaping from across the board and still somehow managing 5K+ WD with the latter. Or you got Snipetards that permacloak the whole match. Ugh, okay we'll keep going...Stamdens with matching stats of (previously mentioned) StamDK that will just tankface everything you got with ease. List goes on...5 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Its hilarious to travel around cyrodiil healing the flock out of everyone along with the other 938683828746 templars
No problem here move along.... /sarcasm1 -
CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭There are alot of left over templars from last patch. Most of them went back in their snipe nbs tho.2 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
I bet your class is NightBlade... I only see Nightblades crying for Templars nerf because they cannot run and hide...3 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭gooooood let the salt flo..
imo learn to play, plenty don't have any trouble at all.4 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭juhislihis19 wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »You're talking about Magplars over Stamplars for starters? hahahaha
Magplars aint healing to full HP, using the most avoidable spammble in game, whilst they're on tank builds.
If you want big damage, enough damage to kill dodge rolling, consistently jumping, one-shot stam builds (That run that destructed dizzying (LOL) with absolute finesse) you cannot that tanky.
This is literally a "BUFF DIZZY" post - Someone said you're a stamDK? You must be absolute garbage, there's stamdks on console hitting 30k+ burst in a second with that destructed dizzy, leap, executioner.DK requires more skill and more resources to execute so can be killed.
Dodge roll (proc off balance), hit a 7k heavy into a 6k Dizzying, cast a 14k leap and weave into a 12k executioner - Good night Irene.
Tough stuff, I can get clips of it happening later if you need to see how to do the most basic 3 button combo in game.
Got you a quick one right now so you can get started:
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/marcus-justicia/video/82184316
Didn't see he's on a stamsorc there (which hits significantly less) I'll get some more.
Where do you find those 14k leaps? You were in divines?
Leap is blockable. If you didn't block it this is either your own fault or server de-sync.
Basically it is not that leap that powerful, it is broken knockback de-sync when some time warp or singularity or whatever happens and you see 4-5 GCD hits in recap while for you it looked like screen freeze for 2-3 seconds and then bum you are dead from full HP without understanding what's just happened.
They're hitting 15k leaps, I think they're building into it and are proccing off balance with the roll dodge passive. This is against everyone, I linked 5 videos of strong players getting absolutely bottomed out in a second by this.
I know leap is blockable, but it's not if they roll dodge, off balance you and hit you with a heavy.
People aren't even using cc's on our server, literally off balance - heavy stuns into ults - Which is why it's so effective on DK.
I don't really see that desync in duels, just colossal burst.
I can link more DVR names if you want to check out other players, it's half the server - Some, like Marcus are just better at it than others.
Please link video or youtube channel with 14k+ leaps against strong players, I am really interested how to reach such numbers vs proper builds.
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/marcus-justicia/videos
Knock your socks off, we use DVR on Xbox, not youtube.
I looked several videos, he kills people in 2 GCD on stamsorc without using ultimate. Nerf stamsorc?
Also videos are old from previous patch when dizzy was objectively broken. And I see 8k leap against squishy guy who was actually doing some notable damage to Marcus putting him at 35% etc..
Only Leaps over 10k I've seen done/did myself, are against potatoes on PVE gear without any critical resistance. Not even with NMA+Fury procced. There aren't any player who's built for PVP that receives such numbers. None.
I have seen many leaps over 10k when not blocking. I have 28k resistance and over 3k crit resistance. Being a Vamp could have something to do with it, but 10k leaps are not uncommon...0 -
stpdmonkey✭✭✭Quit your complaining. Werewolf used to dominate. So I would figure out how to handle them. Then it was necros. Dealt with them. Quit complaining about everything you cannot beat. That just shows a lack of effort on your part. Why stick to one simple method for everyone you fight. Each class has to be dealt with in their own way. Learn to play not just mash buttons and expect people to die5
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Valabrog✭✭✭I was going to start the same topic...Templars are insane in BG these days - doing over 800 k dmg and 100-200k heal. Got some screnshots today - reds and purples had templars - both in the end had + 20 kills while others 2-5, dmg 800k + heal 200k. And like that all day long - which team has more templars - win.
Reminds me of morrowind sorc issue.0 -
phairdon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Enough. Stop calling for nerfs. Boy this gets old in a hurry. "Oh no, I died to a certain class in Cyrodiil or battlegrounds. They're OP and must be nerfed"
Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)5 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭And this whole time I thought Templars were meant to have strong heals....... If a Templar heals as fast it takes damage is that not a good thing? Imo each class has it's own advantages and for Templars it's healing, as it should be. I don't PvP as much as some but when I do, I have my ass handed to me quite often. The thing is, I just go on about my day. When all classes are equal and aren't unique in any way whatsoever, then what will folks complain about?
What happened to class identity - templars supposed to have good heals right? Like DK supposed to have better DOTs.0 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »By the nine! Another pvp carebear crying for a nerf. Give it a rest already.
You playing magplar or stamplar?WreckfulAbandon wrote: »I've never seen so many templars in pvp like there are now. Literally packs of templars roaming cyrodiil as we speak. Bottom line they made that class easymode. I logged onto my templar in pvp to get the teir 1 rewards the other night that I have not played in months. He didnt even have all of his gear on and I was still effective in pvp lol.
So what it's easy to get Tier 1 on a bunch of different classes even if you're a total potato.
I was just giving the reason why I logged into that character. He didnt even have full sets of gear on and was missing shoulders and a helmet and he was still effective.0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And this whole time I thought Templars were meant to have strong heals....... If a Templar heals as fast it takes damage is that not a good thing? Imo each class has it's own advantages and for Templars it's healing, as it should be. I don't PvP as much as some but when I do, I have my ass handed to me quite often. The thing is, I just go on about my day. When all classes are equal and aren't unique in any way whatsoever, then what will folks complain about?
What happened to class identity - templars supposed to have good heals right? Like DK supposed to have better DOTs.
DK dots are a joke. Again, even best DOT in the game - venomous claw deals 2x damage of spammable over 14 seconds... and half of the classes and of course groups will auto-cleanse it before last most powerful ticks... DK class identity at U24 attempt completely failed - 95% of stamDKs I see use 2H skill line as main source of damage. Even stamsorc have more identity in U24 then stamDK.1 -
Abyssmol✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »And this whole time I thought Templars were meant to have strong heals....... If a Templar heals as fast it takes damage is that not a good thing? Imo each class has it's own advantages and for Templars it's healing, as it should be. I don't PvP as much as some but when I do, I have my ass handed to me quite often. The thing is, I just go on about my day. When all classes are equal and aren't unique in any way whatsoever, then what will folks complain about?
What happened to class identity - templars supposed to have good heals right? Like DK supposed to have better DOTs.
DK dots are a joke. Again, even best DOT in the game - venomous claw deals 2x damage of spammable over 14 seconds... and half of the classes and of course groups will auto-cleanse it before last most powerful ticks... DK class identity at U24 attempt completely failed - 95% of stamDKs I see use 2H skill line as main source of damage. Even stamsorc have more identity in U24 then stamDK.
Agree!!! This is what ESO players wanted -weak dots, and that's what we got weak DOTs for all classes. Now OP is asking for templar's heals nerf. Guess what we would get, heals nerfs for all classes...1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I was going to start the same topic...Templars are insane in BG these days - doing over 800 k dmg and 100-200k heal. Got some screnshots today - reds and purples had templars - both in the end had + 20 kills while others 2-5, dmg 800k + heal 200k. And like that all day long - which team has more templars - win.
Reminds me of morrowind sorc issue.
Likely people rerolling and getting easy match ups. Most people underestimate how bad they are at the game. An experienced player would be able to do the same thing on almost any class.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten4 -
MrGhosty✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
I agree that a whole team of templars can be really annoying, but there are ways to bust them up. Nerfing is rarely the answer to problems like these. What class are you playing? I came up against a team of templars in my random bg the other day, they were nigh unkillable. So we didn't fight them, and instead focused on the objectives where they weren't and won while they kept bogging themselves down in pointless fights. I don't bring this up to toot my own horn, i'm nowhere near a great player. At best I can usually not embarass myself. I bring this up because short of a deathmatch the annoying templars aren't all powerful. I would rather see you suggest some things that need to be brought up to par, rather than go with the obvious "templarOP" argument. I don't think bringing back dizzy swing is the answer though, it seemed way over tuned."It is a time of strife and unrest. Armies of revenants and dark spirits manifest in every corner of Tamriel. Winters grow colder and crops fail. Mystics are plagued by nightmares and portents of doom."2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »And this whole time I thought Templars were meant to have strong heals....... If a Templar heals as fast it takes damage is that not a good thing? Imo each class has it's own advantages and for Templars it's healing, as it should be. I don't PvP as much as some but when I do, I have my ass handed to me quite often. The thing is, I just go on about my day. When all classes are equal and aren't unique in any way whatsoever, then what will folks complain about?
What happened to class identity - templars supposed to have good heals right? Like DK supposed to have better DOTs.
DK dots are a joke. Again, even best DOT in the game - venomous claw deals 2x damage of spammable over 14 seconds... and half of the classes and of course groups will auto-cleanse it before last most powerful ticks... DK class identity at U24 attempt completely failed - 95% of stamDKs I see use 2H skill line as main source of damage. Even stamsorc have more identity in U24 then stamDK.
Agree!!! This is what ESO players wanted -weak dots, and that's what we got weak DOTs for all classes. Now OP is asking for templar's heals nerf. Guess what we would get, heals nerfs for all classes...
Yes, and I am pleased to see that now all nerf threads have majority comments about stopping nerfs. Nerfs lead to nowhere, if there is some effective and outstanding feature, provide every other class with counterweight feature. This will make game more interesting, this will stimulate players to use all classes, instead of just hopping on meta or stubbornly using same one.5 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Only noob Templars only spam Jabs and they are so easy to counter if you can't I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah good Templars will eat your lunch, but so will other classes that know their stuff.
If you don't know how to drive your Ferrari you are going to lose.
u dont need to spam it already...After apply Dots and T.Charge to stun player one or max two time Jabs with %40 snare it is enough....
Here is about the people are very good driver and have Ferrari.. Capish.... And even you are as good driver as others if you have VW you are going to loose anyway... You just look from 1 side...
Well most players are not very good players if they don't take the time to learn how to counter a class. Comprende?
How you know that!!!Very strong statement... And if it is what you say that means you accept that Templar Class is Overtuned....As A templar I accept that templar is the most powered PVP class right now Atleast Magicka
So!?
Because I PvP everyday and have for over 5 years.
Templar class is not overtuned and has suffered many nerfs through the years.
It is very good at what is does and that is group support.
It is not the strongest DPS class by a long shot.
Stam Wardens and stamDK toolkits are more than adequate to counter a Templar.
Battlegrounds are an extremely bad measuring stick for class performance as it allows pre mades of people who are used to playing as a team to be matched up against random players with no group composition or experience with each other.Edited by TequilaFire on November 27, 2019 12:18AM9 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭L2P issue!
I don't fear templars in pvp at all, if I'm solo against a group of 4 any class ill die. (unless they potatoes).
Tell us what build you are using that makes templars such a problem for you.
Not an overwhelming number of templars anymore on PC-NA, you can deal with them, if you can!Edited by Stebarnz on November 27, 2019 12:29AM2 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Only noob Templars only spam Jabs and they are so easy to counter if you can't I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah good Templars will eat your lunch, but so will other classes that know their stuff.
If you don't know how to drive your Ferrari you are going to lose.
u dont need to spam it already...After apply Dots and T.Charge to stun player one or max two time Jabs with %40 snare it is enough....
Here is about the people are very good driver and have Ferrari.. Capish.... And even you are as good driver as others if you have VW you are going to loose anyway... You just look from 1 side...
Well most players are not very good players if they don't take the time to learn how to counter a class. Comprende?
How you know that!!!Very strong statement... And if it is what you say that means you accept that Templar Class is Overtuned....As A templar I accept that templar is the most powered PVP class right now Atleast Magicka
So!?
Because I PvP everyday and have for over 5 years.
Templar class is not overtuned and has suffered many nerfs through the years.
It is very good at what is does and that is group support.
It is not the strongest DPS class by a long shot.
Stam Wardens and stamDK toolkits are more than adequate to counter a Templar.
Battlegrounds are an extremely bad measuring stick for class performance as it allows pre mades of people who are used to playing as a team to be matched up against random players with no group composition or experience with each other.
Dont you main a templar? Huh... go figure.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Only noob Templars only spam Jabs and they are so easy to counter if you can't I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah good Templars will eat your lunch, but so will other classes that know their stuff.
If you don't know how to drive your Ferrari you are going to lose.
u dont need to spam it already...After apply Dots and T.Charge to stun player one or max two time Jabs with %40 snare it is enough....
Here is about the people are very good driver and have Ferrari.. Capish.... And even you are as good driver as others if you have VW you are going to loose anyway... You just look from 1 side...
Well most players are not very good players if they don't take the time to learn how to counter a class. Comprende?
How you know that!!!Very strong statement... And if it is what you say that means you accept that Templar Class is Overtuned....As A templar I accept that templar is the most powered PVP class right now Atleast Magicka
So!?
Because I PvP everyday and have for over 5 years.
Templar class is not overtuned and has suffered many nerfs through the years.
It is very good at what is does and that is group support.
It is not the strongest DPS class by a long shot.
Stam Wardens and stamDK toolkits are more than adequate to counter a Templar.
Battlegrounds are an extremely bad measuring stick for class performance as it allows pre mades of people who are used to playing as a team to be matched up against random players with no group composition or experience with each other.
Dont you main a templar? Huh... go figure.
Yes I do so what?
I also main a Stamsorc, Stamcro, Stamden and Stamblade.
You realize most of my damage on my Templars comes from weapon skills and not class skills?
But go ahead nerf the Templars that help keep your group alive it will allow the zergs to roll over you even faster.3 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »And this whole time I thought Templars were meant to have strong heals....... If a Templar heals as fast it takes damage is that not a good thing? Imo each class has it's own advantages and for Templars it's healing, as it should be. I don't PvP as much as some but when I do, I have my ass handed to me quite often. The thing is, I just go on about my day. When all classes are equal and aren't unique in any way whatsoever, then what will folks complain about?
What happened to class identity - templars supposed to have good heals right? Like DK supposed to have better DOTs.
DK dots are a joke. Again, even best DOT in the game - venomous claw deals 2x damage of spammable over 14 seconds... and half of the classes and of course groups will auto-cleanse it before last most powerful ticks... DK class identity at U24 attempt completely failed - 95% of stamDKs I see use 2H skill line as main source of damage. Even stamsorc have more identity in U24 then stamDK.
Agree!!! This is what ESO players wanted -weak dots, and that's what we got weak DOTs for all classes. Now OP is asking for templar's heals nerf. Guess what we would get, heals nerfs for all classes...
If they nerf Templar heals they better nerf healing across the board because its not just Templar's that are getting the benefit especially in CP.. gear (hello Sanctuary) and CP into healing received and both being multiplicative.. is the stupidest of things.
Edited by BRogueNZ on November 27, 2019 12:31AM1 -
Dr_Ganknstein✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Only noob Templars only spam Jabs and they are so easy to counter if you can't I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah good Templars will eat your lunch, but so will other classes that know their stuff.
If you don't know how to drive your Ferrari you are going to lose.
u dont need to spam it already...After apply Dots and T.Charge to stun player one or max two time Jabs with %40 snare it is enough....
Here is about the people are very good driver and have Ferrari.. Capish.... And even you are as good driver as others if you have VW you are going to loose anyway... You just look from 1 side...
Well most players are not very good players if they don't take the time to learn how to counter a class. Comprende?
How you know that!!!Very strong statement... And if it is what you say that means you accept that Templar Class is Overtuned....As A templar I accept that templar is the most powered PVP class right now Atleast Magicka
So!?
Because I PvP everyday and have for over 5 years.
Templar class is not overtuned and has suffered many nerfs through the years.
It is very good at what is does and that is group support.
It is not the strongest DPS class by a long shot.
Stam Wardens and stamDK toolkits are more than adequate to counter a Templar.
Battlegrounds are an extremely bad measuring stick for class performance as it allows pre mades of people who are used to playing as a team to be matched up against random players with no group composition or experience with each other.
Dont you main a templar? Huh... go figure.
Yes I do so what?
https://giphy.com/gifs/the-office-eye-roll-dEdmW17JnZhiUEdited by Dr_Ganknstein on November 27, 2019 12:56AM0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
Nice to see they still arent banning people for saying L2P, guess I'm just a special case.
But since I am not allowed to say it, ya what he said ^2 -
MercilessnVexed✭✭✭✭You people coming in crying for your nerfs need to leave. Really. STOP ASKING FOR NERFS. Ask for a buff for your class, but quit whining to have nerfs on other classes!!3 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Beastygrowls wrote: »You people coming in crying for your nerfs need to leave. Really. STOP ASKING FOR NERFS. Ask for a buff for your class, but quit whining to have nerfs on other classes!!
Sorry you feel that way.
Im a DK PVE Tank with a PVP Build Legion - 2h/S+B Stam.
What you think I should ask be buffed ... o wait - we were nerfed to the floor.
Perhaps you are not seeing the bigger picture - it is our nerfs that turned the BG into a pillow fight of healing builds0