NERF the TEMPLARS
Stratti
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Ok Zos,
Simple message. Battlegrounds used to be fun but now following your destruction of dizzy and dots what you have done is turn it into a Templar fest. Plain and simple. The ability to heal through full frontal 1v1 damage of 2k+ without a hassle while distributing puncturing sweep spams is a joke. If they set up as tank as possible good luck even shifting their health.
Was it your intention to have the pvp so homogenous - so boring. It is really an issue that detracts from the enjoyment. I thought a design principle was to stay away from a go to class for one role especially in PVP but now all you have done is turn the meta into a class.
For me battlegrounds and pvp is a side game for a little fun but still it makes up a part of the reason why I continue to support the game (despite current faults). Please have a look at it for yourselves to determine if that is how you want BG to run.
Simple message. Battlegrounds used to be fun but now following your destruction of dizzy and dots what you have done is turn it into a Templar fest. Plain and simple. The ability to heal through full frontal 1v1 damage of 2k+ without a hassle while distributing puncturing sweep spams is a joke. If they set up as tank as possible good luck even shifting their health.
Was it your intention to have the pvp so homogenous - so boring. It is really an issue that detracts from the enjoyment. I thought a design principle was to stay away from a go to class for one role especially in PVP but now all you have done is turn the meta into a class.
For me battlegrounds and pvp is a side game for a little fun but still it makes up a part of the reason why I continue to support the game (despite current faults). Please have a look at it for yourselves to determine if that is how you want BG to run.
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mandricus✭✭✭✭✭Please consider that there are also Stamina Templars out there. Because usually, every magplar nerf affect also Stamina Templars too as an unintended consequence.21 -
Weisstag✭✭✭Honestly, some templars are invincible 1v1 and iam not exaggerating... I would be fine with that, but they also dish out too much damage for what they can withstandIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering9 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I run into more dk's and sorcs than I do Templars. And how are you not avoiding jabs? Run through the player or dodge... When I'm on my Templar I only use jabs on balled up players otherwise they miss more than they hit lol."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard28 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.3 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess people already forgot that not so long ago they were witch hunting / calling for Werewolf nerfs, because of L2P issues in BGs or pre-mades issues...
Now they are calling for Templar nerfs...
Something dared to kill me in BGs,
therefore, it must be nerfed... And it posibly could not be the case of pre-mades being an issue...nor me, being bad at the game, I am the best eso player ever...
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oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.Edited by oXI_Viper_IXo on November 26, 2019 8:33AM14 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Please consider that there are also Stamina Templars out there. Because usually, every magplar nerf affect also Stamina Templars too as an unintended consequence.
Heya. Magplars are ok this patch, it's stamplars who are crazy dangerous. Anyway, this is no reason for nerf. ZOS just needs to add some new tricks to DK, NB and Necro.8 -
Reyleigh✭✭✭Yup they really need to address this.
I often find myself against a team full of templars in BG...
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Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well huh, here I was thinking it is the fastest to complete "Kill 20 enemy templars"
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MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭It's true what you are saying, templars are extremely strong and smooth to play compared to many other classes. I would say however it'd be better if other classes where buffed (restore dizzy would be nice). and bring back some class based dots like burning embers and venomous claw etc. Oh and make necro playable.5 -
AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭
✭They've already been nerfed 🙄 Just get better at this game instead of calling for nerfs to everything that killed you.PS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat18 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I guess people already forgot that not so long ago they were witch hunting / calling for Werewolf nerfs, because of L2P issues in BGs or pre-mades issues...
Now they are calling for Templar nerfs...
Something dared to kill me in BGs,
therefore, it must be nerfed... And it posibly could not be the case of pre-mades being an issue...nor me, being bad at the game, I am the best eso player ever...
I am not sure of your point - do you mean to say that templars are not overpowered? Do you mean to say that the nerfs to others made them too powerful. Are you arguing that anyone that calls something overpowered is simply a bad player?
If that is how you engage with other players than how are we meant to take your response seriously at all. Here is a thought, try hard to fashion an argument without attacking another player and return so we may have a constructive discussion.0 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.3 -
AgaTheGreat✭✭✭✭✭
✭All I'm saying that getting killed in pvp causes people to come to cry on the forums all the time.
All classes are in a bad spot. I'm personally tired of people like youPS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat13 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭AgaTheGreat wrote: »They've already been nerfed 🙄 Just get better at this game instead of calling for nerfs to everything that killed you.
According to your universe:
A. You are amazing
B. Everyone else is bad
C. There is no such things as an overtuned class
How many of those do you think are a fair statement of your view3 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭AgaTheGreat wrote: »All I'm saying that getting killed in pvp causes people to come to cry on the forums all the time.
All classes are in a bad spot. I'm personally tired of people like you
No actually I didn't come here crying after getting killed.
Why was Dizzying swing removed?
Why was dot damage reduced?
Why is it that people like you cry when it is your class?
Here is the thing. Before the Nerf, those Magplars where toast with that kind of playstyle. Now they are supreme. I have watched them absorb massive damage output. Then just tap puncturing sweep and heal and outlast us to the point of winning - or running away
That is unkillable.
That is not a L2P issue. But hey keep up attacking people that way - I am sure everyone loves it.1 -
oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
What is your class? My main is a stamNB, I've only recently dabbled with a templar. I'm just sick of all the nerfs.
What gear are you using? What skills? What specifically is giving you trouble with templars?Edited by oXI_Viper_IXo on November 26, 2019 9:28AM2 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
What is your class? My main is a stamNB, I've only recently dabbled with a templar. I'm just sick of all the nerfs.
StamDK . 2h + S+B. While we can still play with the nerfs, crappy playstyles like the heal and run till they wear you down - or standing and healing like crazy could not be done. Between the dots and the stun they would get brutalised . Frankly the class is not fun to play like it was but it is done.
The problem is there were unintended consequences and now we see lower damage - more healing templars that are truly unkillable (that is you cannot kill them). Often they do not have the damage output to do much of anything.
Still ZOS will have to do something it is getting silly out there. BG predominantly Templar0 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Stop begging for nerfs
Are you saying that Templars are not Overpowered - Are you saying that nothing should ever be nerfed
Bro where were you before last patch - we could have used this.
Truth is when they Nerf one class they need to nerf another and another.
Restore Dizzy and Dots and I will stop asking for Nerfs to Templars
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oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
What is your class? My main is a stamNB, I've only recently dabbled with a templar. I'm just sick of all the nerfs.
StamDK . 2h + S+B. While we can still play with the nerfs, crappy playstyles like the heal and run till they wear you down - or standing and healing like crazy could not be done. Between the dots and the stun they would get brutalised . Frankly the class is not fun to play like it was but it is done.
The problem is there were unintended consequences and now we see lower damage - more healing templars that are truly unkillable (that is you cannot kill them). Often they do not have the damage output to do much of anything.
Still ZOS will have to do something it is getting silly out there. BG predominantly Templar
See I actually agree that DoTs (and by default stamDK) was overnerfed. Instead of asking for templars (which are in a good place) to get nerfed, why not ask for DK or DoTs to be buffed?
More nerfs means more pillow fights and more of the tank meta. It's boring.8 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
What is your class? My main is a stamNB, I've only recently dabbled with a templar. I'm just sick of all the nerfs.
StamDK . 2h + S+B. While we can still play with the nerfs, crappy playstyles like the heal and run till they wear you down - or standing and healing like crazy could not be done. Between the dots and the stun they would get brutalised . Frankly the class is not fun to play like it was but it is done.
The problem is there were unintended consequences and now we see lower damage - more healing templars that are truly unkillable (that is you cannot kill them). Often they do not have the damage output to do much of anything.
Still ZOS will have to do something it is getting silly out there. BG predominantly Templar
See I actually agree that DoTs (and by default stamDK) was overnerfed. Instead of asking for templars (which are in a good place) to get nerfed, why not ask for DK or DoTs to be buffed?
More nerfs means more pillow fights and more of the tank meta. It's boring.
I agree. The chances of it being restored 0/102 -
oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
What is your class? My main is a stamNB, I've only recently dabbled with a templar. I'm just sick of all the nerfs.
StamDK . 2h + S+B. While we can still play with the nerfs, crappy playstyles like the heal and run till they wear you down - or standing and healing like crazy could not be done. Between the dots and the stun they would get brutalised . Frankly the class is not fun to play like it was but it is done.
The problem is there were unintended consequences and now we see lower damage - more healing templars that are truly unkillable (that is you cannot kill them). Often they do not have the damage output to do much of anything.
Still ZOS will have to do something it is getting silly out there. BG predominantly Templar
See I actually agree that DoTs (and by default stamDK) was overnerfed. Instead of asking for templars (which are in a good place) to get nerfed, why not ask for DK or DoTs to be buffed?
More nerfs means more pillow fights and more of the tank meta. It's boring.
I agree. The chances of it being restored 0/10
You never know, with the way ZOS balances things, we could return to the DoT meta with one update. At least people died then. Combat in general is in a poor state right now.4 -
BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭I don’t see how you can complain about Templar’s not dying when you play a stam dk which is more annoying in that department.Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.14
