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NERF the TEMPLARS
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »You're talking about Magplars over Stamplars for starters? hahahaha
Magplars aint healing to full HP, using the most avoidable spammble in game, whilst they're on tank builds.
If you want big damage, enough damage to kill dodge rolling, consistently jumping, one-shot stam builds (That run that destructed dizzying (LOL) with absolute finesse) you cannot that tanky.
This is literally a "BUFF DIZZY" post - Someone said you're a stamDK? You must be absolute garbage, there's stamdks on console hitting 30k+ burst in a second with that destructed dizzy, leap, executioner.DK requires more skill and more resources to execute so can be killed.
Dodge roll (proc off balance), hit a 7k heavy into a 6k Dizzying, cast a 14k leap and weave into a 12k executioner - Good night Irene.
Tough stuff, I can get clips of it happening later if you need to see how to do the most basic 3 button combo in game.
Got you a quick one right now so you can get started:
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/marcus-justicia/video/82184316
Didn't see he's on a stamsorc there (which hits significantly less) I'll get some more.
Where do you find those 14k leaps? You were in divines?
Leap is blockable. If you didn't block it this is either your own fault or server de-sync.
Basically it is not that leap that powerful, it is broken knockback de-sync when some time warp or singularity or whatever happens and you see 4-5 GCD hits in recap while for you it looked like screen freeze for 2-3 seconds and then bum you are dead from full HP without understanding what's just happened.
They're hitting 15k leaps, I think they're building into it and are proccing off balance with the roll dodge passive. This is against everyone, I linked 5 videos of strong players getting absolutely bottomed out in a second by this.
I know leap is blockable, but it's not if they roll dodge, off balance you and hit you with a heavy.
People aren't even using cc's on our server, literally off balance - heavy stuns into ults - Which is why it's so effective on DK.
I don't really see that desync in duels, just colossal burst.
I can link more DVR names if you want to check out other players, it's half the server - Some, like Marcus are just better at it than others.
Please link video or youtube channel with 14k+ leaps against strong players, I am really interested how to reach such numbers vs proper builds.
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/marcus-justicia/videos
Knock your socks off, we use DVR on Xbox, not youtube.
I looked several videos, he kills people in 2 GCD on stamsorc without using ultimate. Nerf stamsorc?
Also videos are old from previous patch when dizzy was objectively broken. And I see 8k leap against squishy guy who was actually doing some notable damage to Marcus putting him at 35% etc..
Nah I don't think anything needs a nerf, I mean, it's possible on Sorc, Warden and DK (Stamplar has it's own burst but is strong too) but DK get the heavy damage buffs etc so they only really have to catch you once (and are almost guaranteed to at some point).
You can deal with the majority and side step wardens sub etc - Just not so easily when the guys at the top of the classes are doing it.
Yeah didn't look at the dates and I checked some others who are doing it and they aren't clipping it much but this is actively going on and I can get clips myself tonight of it happening so you can see it's current effectiveness.
It's undeniably very strong and very easy to do.vMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
578,000 - 36 Minutes 58 Seconds (Top 2 World?)
vMSA - Magplar - Xbox NA
569,000 - 40 minutes (350CP, Non optimised runs)0 -
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Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »Absolutely hate fighting templars.
STOP NERFS ! START ASKING FOR OTHER CLASS BUFFS
Toggle brain on!
don't go for fighting who should be nerfed ! start fighting for ur class buffs ! idk why ppl even talk about NERFS! TALK ABOUT BUFFS!
U cry every1 about nerfs so u got around 20% DD loss... surv LOSS....
FIGHT MORE KIDDOS!....
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is with this sudden influx of bad players that want to nerf Templars?
Must be forum farming FOTM.Edited by TequilaFire on November 26, 2019 2:46PM10 -
MizoreReyes✭✭✭From playing many online games and I learned that buffing is more effective than nerfing. Though we'd have to take consider power creep in PVE but I'm not really worried about that since PVE in this game is easy.0 -
ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭It's 1h+Shield that's over-performing imo. And of course that is a very popular weapon choice for magplars.0 -
Ilision✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I agree, nerfing is not an option.3 -
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✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
No, but it is in this case and most of the time.
Instead of crying for nerfs, you could ask for advice on how to counter whatever you're struggling with.
CRYING?
My class was nerfed to the ground, completely gutted so no I am not crying and asking for help. I am saying that due to the nerfs (and rather significant ones) they have made a class unstoppable. See you assume you know if I can play or not. You assume this because I say that your class is overpowered after they nerfed mine to the ground. Not a particularly good argument the L2P. It has never worked before so please keep using it.
What is your class? My main is a stamNB, I've only recently dabbled with a templar. I'm just sick of all the nerfs.
StamDK . 2h + S+B. While we can still play with the nerfs, crappy playstyles like the heal and run till they wear you down - or standing and healing like crazy could not be done. Between the dots and the stun they would get brutalised . Frankly the class is not fun to play like it was but it is done.
The problem is there were unintended consequences and now we see lower damage - more healing templars that are truly unkillable (that is you cannot kill them). Often they do not have the damage output to do much of anything.
Still ZOS will have to do something it is getting silly out there. BG predominantly Templar
So you know what it's like to have a class nerfed into the ground. Having experienced that, are you really asking for the same thing to happen to Templars? And you know it will; ZOS isn't known for just slightly tweaking classes to address issues- everything is hit with the massive nerf hammer.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Templars ARE fixed. Every other class is broken.
Mmm Whats sad is there is still plenty wrong with Templar. Im sure @Cinbri probably has their usual list of bugs, and there are a lot of abilities that have been nerfed into uselessness. It's actually a problem with other classes just being worse off. Thats why the nerf calls get hammered on. Everyone is tired of it and its not longer just about OP things and more about other things just no longer being fun.2 -
EtTuBrutus✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
Dizzy change was a buff to the good players.6 -
RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭Lol at all the Plars saying "L2P" at everyone else that isn't crutching on the easiest nub protection healing jab class. Why don't you Plars "L2P" a different class that isn't easy and cheesy AF in PVP?1
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✭✭✭✭✭RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »Lol at all the Plars saying "L2P" at everyone else that isn't crutching on the easiest nub protection healing jab class. Why don't you Plars "L2P" a different class that isn't easy and cheesy AF in PVP?
And what cheese do you play?
If you play at all.4 -
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✭✭RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »Lol at all the Plars saying "L2P" at everyone else that isn't crutching on the easiest nub protection healing jab class. Why don't you Plars "L2P" a different class that isn't easy and cheesy AF in PVP?
I wonder if it could be because there are People that mained templar for years and played it when it was weak af and now dont want to stop just because People qq About it? Nah perish the thought, all just abusing fotm class, no such Thing as templar mains.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.8 -
Iconius✭✭I can burst down about 70% of players in the right circumstances. Full resources, some decent ultimate available, etc. But I can get smoked by a frigging low level templar in a flash because you can't kill them and they are able to share me, break my armor, and all their attacks heal them to full the entire time. There are literally Templars juming around in the face of multiple opposing players just taunting them to fight because they know they have cheese to win on their side. Give people a freaking counter to garbage!!!!1
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RaveRaveRaveRave✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »And what cheese do you play?
If you play at all.
I play everything. I have 18 characters.Sanguinor2 wrote: »I wonder if it could be because there are People that mained templar for years and played it when it was weak af and now dont want to stop just because People qq About it? Nah perish the thought, all just abusing fotm class, no such Thing as templar mains.
I guess 90% of all of PVP land mained Plars their whole ESO career. I guess they mained pet sorcs before that when they had a million shields on all their pets running around everywhere.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I can burst down about 70% of players in the right circumstances. Full resources, some decent ultimate available, etc. But I can get smoked by a frigging low level templar in a flash because you can't kill them and they are able to share me, break my armor, and all their attacks heal them to full the entire time. There are literally Templars juming around in the face of multiple opposing players just taunting them to fight because they know they have cheese to win on their side. Give people a freaking counter to garbage!!!!
All these cool made up stories.
It is as if no other class can kill anything at all. lmaoEdited by TequilaFire on November 26, 2019 5:27PM5 -
Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭I can burst down about 70% of players in the right circumstances. Full resources, some decent ultimate available, etc. But I can get smoked by a frigging low level templar in a flash because you can't kill them and they are able to share me, break my armor, and all their attacks heal them to full the entire time. There are literally Templars juming around in the face of multiple opposing players just taunting them to fight because they know they have cheese to win on their side. Give people a freaking counter to garbage!!!!
that's why OTHER CLASSES NEEDS BUFF no more nerfs just make OTHER CLASSES SHINE!
just like templars do now 
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Enough with the nerfs. Buff other classes as needed. L2P.
I learnt to play my class - when they nerfed dots and got rid of dizzying swing that meant that heal builds with a bit of damage got the upper hand. L2P is not always the answer for everything.
Dizzy change was a buff to the good players.
2 out of 3 stam chars all running dizzy tells me something was broken there.
And again heals are and have been overtuned for some time now1 -
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✭✭✭Templars ARE fixed. Every other class is broken.
Mmm Whats sad is there is still plenty wrong with Templar. Im sure @Cinbri probably has their usual list of bugs, and there are a lot of abilities that have been nerfed into uselessness. It's actually a problem with other classes just being worse off. Thats why the nerf calls get hammered on. Everyone is tired of it and its not longer just about OP things and more about other things just no longer being fun.
I don’t disagree with that assessment. I was just being snarky.0 -
Reyleigh✭✭✭Curious_Death wrote: »I can burst down about 70% of players in the right circumstances. Full resources, some decent ultimate available, etc. But I can get smoked by a frigging low level templar in a flash because you can't kill them and they are able to share me, break my armor, and all their attacks heal them to full the entire time. There are literally Templars juming around in the face of multiple opposing players just taunting them to fight because they know they have cheese to win on their side. Give people a freaking counter to garbage!!!!
that's why OTHER CLASSES NEEDS BUFF no more nerfs just make OTHER CLASSES SHINE! just like templars do now
They'll never do that
That's why everyone is asking for nerfs instead of buffs0
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