Not a quitting thread [updated]

CaffeinatedMayhem · November 2019

UPDATE: Thank you for all the kind replies and PMs! My guild list is full atm, but I have replied to many people privately. ESO has a great community, which is the main reason I don't want to leave the game.

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

geonsocal · November 2019

you don't need more dps, you just need better gamer friends...

I'd suggest doing some scouring in the guild recruitment section...

CassandraGemini · November 2019

First off: Whoever told you that you need 50k dps to do a vet dungeon is simply lying. For most normal (meaning non DLC) vet dungeons a steady 20k is absolutely enough. Knowing the mechanics, if they're present, dodging out of AoEs and resurrecting teammates is much more important than crazy high dps. I wouldn't know about vet Trials, since I don't do those, and I haven't done most vet DLC dungeons either, so I'm not going to say anything about that.

What I kind of don't understand is why you are so intent on doing vet stuff in the first place? I mean, you are absolutely right in saying that everyone should be able to experience the content they pay for, but you seem to be able to do that just fine in the normal versions. What makes you want to do the vet versions so much, if your health gets in the way of this?

MajBludd · November 2019

Sounds like *** bags to me.

CaffeinatedMayhem · November 2019

geonsocal wrote: »

you don't need more dps, you just need better gamer friends...

I'd suggest doing some scouring in the guild recruitment section...

Well, over 5 years I've been in an out of a lot of guilds. Either no one runs vet pledges, or no one will wants the old lady around. So, it's an uphill battle either way. Never had IRL friends play the game, well, for more than a few weeks. Never found a place I felt I belonged, that didn't shut down a few months after I joined the guild. I really do have the worst luck of anyone I've ever met.

The_Old_Goat · November 2019

Let me tell you about a friend I made about a year and half ago(in game). She was in much the same boat as you after a few tours in Afghanistan. We began talking back and forth, trading barbs and jabs as our generation does quite a bit in lieu affection. She was afraid to do group dungeons because of all the judgey people out there but had a strong lust for pvp and even played well enough to get Emperor. She also managed to beat VMA with a controller, something I couldn't even do with a keyboard and mouse. I never could get her to talk on discord but she enjoyed listening to me crack jokes and made fun of me often in chat. Sadly, cancer took her away from us last year in November but I have many fond memories of her and even got a friend out of her son, who started playing as well in the last months she was with us. You simply need to find the right guild of people for what you can do, which isn't an easy task because of the sheer number of guilds out there to filter though. If you happen to be playing on PC/NA I have just the guild for you, feel free to message me @Jer70

MashmalloMan · November 2019

I wonder if people go on to the forums of more complex fighting style games with intricate combos to complain they can't compete in the leaderboards.. There is many aspects and levels to this game, just like any other. It's filled with content anyone can choose to enjoy, hell, most of the DLC that releases is geared towards casuals. The most recent DLC didn't even include a mini trial, it was 100% story and overworld. So I ask, why would you express the opinion that ZOS should take away the "combos" from all the players that enjoy them. People don't even consider these things for fighting games so I don't understand the problem here.. The bigger sets in the game can be obtained with only slightly less stats in normal mode without any animation canceling required. It sounds like you need to meet new people because there is tons of content, even vet DLC that can be completed with competant players.

CaffeinatedMayhem · November 2019

CassandraGemini wrote: »

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What I kind of don't understand is why you are so intent on doing vet stuff in the first place?

Finally thought of a good way to answer this one:

Vets have more mechanics, and not doing all the mechanics has consequences. Normals are a joke - you don't have to do anything except stand there. Mechanics are fun for me, DPS races aren't. Sadly, the two are locked toegether in ESO.

Raisin · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

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What I kind of don't understand is why you are so intent on doing vet stuff in the first place?

Finally thought of a good way to answer this one:

Vets have more mechanics, and not doing all the mechanics has consequences. Normals are a joke - you don't have to do anything except stand there. Mechanics are fun for me, DPS races aren't. Sadly, the two are locked toegether in ESO.

There are very few things that truly qualify as DPS races. Most things people call DPS races are called such because it's basically "burst the *** out of this to skip mechanics" -- it's more of an attitude than anything literal. If mechanics are what you like and enjoy, then that is of no harm to you. Your DPS will just mean that you have longer fights with mechanics happening more often.

tinythinker · November 2019

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Let me tell you about a friend I made about a year and half ago(in game). She was in much the same boat as you after a few tours in Afghanistan. We began talking back and forth, trading barbs and jabs as our generation does quite a bit in lieu affection. She was afraid to do group dungeons because of all the judgey people out there but had a strong lust for pvp and even played well enough to get Emperor. She also managed to beat VMA with a controller, something I couldn't even do with a keyboard and mouse. I never could get her to talk on discord but she enjoyed listening to me crack jokes and made fun of me often in chat. Sadly, cancer took her away from us last year in November but I have many fond memories of her and even got a friend out of her son, who started playing as well in the last months she was with us. You simply need to find the right guild of people for what you can do, which isn't an easy task because of the sheer number of guilds out there to filter though. If you happen to be playing on PC/NA I have just the guild for you, feel free to message me @Jer70

mayasunrising · November 2019

geonsocal wrote: »

you don't need more dps, you just need better gamer friends...

So much this @CaffeinatedMayhem . Feel free to add me as a friend. I would be happy to runs some vet content with you.

Stevie6 · November 2019

I understand what you are going thru. I’m in the over 50 crowd with a permanent disability. I average about 12k dps and sometimes I will get lucky and hit between 20 to 40k. My connection to the server is ok. 64 to 90 ms. But in game it can go from 400 to 15000 ms. So I usually play normal/vet dungeons solo and no trials.

Btw, trying to get a high dps is fruitless especially on a test dummy. They don’t hit back. Overland content is the best testing ground. Good luck with your endeavors. Cheers.

D0PAMINE · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

If you're PC NA server look up Swamp Haven in the guild finder. We'd love to have you.

MartiniDaniels · November 2019

I'm sure it is possible to do 30k on 3M self-buffed with little to none animation cancelling. Maybe you may show your build and people will advice what might be optimized?

zyk · November 2019

I have health issues involving my arms and hands. I can't play games as well as I used to be able to even a couple of years ago. But I don't want to see the game mechanics nerfed so I am more competitive with healthier players.

Sometimes we have to accept our limitations or move on.

thermatico · November 2019

Don't play with self entitled [snip]. Boom, problem solved.

[Edit for baiting.]

idk · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

I just have one question. Why did you bother with the person?

It is a game. If someone annoys you walk away, tell them to pound sand if that makes you feel better. Do what you want to as everyone plays this game according to their own interests and there is more to the game than vet trials.

NBrookus · November 2019

I caught part of that conversation, OP. I was rolling my eyes and biting my tongue. 50k dps is so far off the mark of what you actually NEED it's sad.

I don't do most PVE anymore because of similar issues, and the sustained high level hand activity is just exhausting and painful. In PVP I can play a bit, then break a bit, then play a bit more, so that's what I do. All I can say to the peanut gallery is that their time will come, whether it be by injury, disability or simple aging and they'll learn the hard way that "just practice" or "have a better attitude" doesn't solve the issues.

I'm not certain if you can use other peripherals with a controller, but I would think so. These have been very helpful for me in offloading repetitive actions, or in cases where I need a faster reflex than my hands:
https://www.gamingmouse.com/gaming/fragpedal/quad/

ZOS_GregoryV · November 2019

Greetings all,

After removing a few posts for Baiting, we would like to remind everyone that Baiting is in fact a violation of the rules that we have in place. Providing constructive criticism to fellow players is completely acceptable. However we ask that it be done so within the guidelines of the rules. If anyone may have any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to take a few moments and review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

MercilessnVexed · November 2019

I love this! The moderation on this forum is excellent! Well done & well said, @ZOS_GregoryV --- kudos and much appreciation!

I prefer the positives in life.

@Sylvermynx - hey I caught that reference. :P Message me if you wanna talk.

To OP: I hear you loud and clear. I had carpal tunnel surgery on both hands about 15 years ago and while they don't ache like they did, they hurt when I get typing really fast or hitting game buttons fast. I wonder if you're on PC? At any rate, there are a bunch of us oldies and achies out here. You are not alone. Don't worry about what the elitists tell you. I don't game with them anymore. I found some really great guilds and there are tons and tons of guilds out there who would just love to have you, I just know it.

Keep your head up!

(oops, sorry @ZOS_GregoryV )

wanders_the_swamps · November 2019

Dear OP ,
I understand your problems, I feel the best solution is to find a guild that suits you, I have not done trials but I see a lot of casual / social guilds that run trials. Making few friends in game helps too. In PC NA, I was invited to run normal trial by a friend, I told him I would suck but they didn't bother, my connection was poor and I couldn't keep up with them but still they were understanding and were cool with me. Hope you find one!

For vet trials maybe they might be more demanding, but still it depends on the type of people you play with. Good luck

geonsocal · November 2019

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

Let me tell you about a friend I made about a year and half ago(in game). She was in much the same boat as you after a few tours in Afghanistan. We began talking back and forth, trading barbs and jabs as our generation does quite a bit in lieu affection. She was afraid to do group dungeons because of all the judgey people out there but had a strong lust for pvp and even played well enough to get Emperor. She also managed to beat VMA with a controller, something I couldn't even do with a keyboard and mouse. I never could get her to talk on discord but she enjoyed listening to me crack jokes and made fun of me often in chat. Sadly, cancer took her away from us last year in November but I have many fond memories of her and even got a friend out of her son, who started playing as well in the last months she was with us. You simply need to find the right guild of people for what you can do, which isn't an easy task because of the sheer number of guilds out there to filter though. If you happen to be playing on PC/NA I have just the guild for you, feel free to message me @Jer70

you just made my day...thank you

geonsocal · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

you don't need more dps, you just need better gamer friends...

I'd suggest doing some scouring in the guild recruitment section...

Well, over 5 years I've been in an out of a lot of guilds. Either no one runs vet pledges, or no one will wants the old lady around. So, it's an uphill battle either way. Never had IRL friends play the game, well, for more than a few weeks. Never found a place I felt I belonged, that didn't shut down a few months after I joined the guild. I really do have the worst luck of anyone I've ever met.

good for you for coming to the forums and putting yourself out there...

you are not alone madam...I've been here for five and a half decades - and, it's only been within the last five years or so when I figured out what group I fit in best with - other gamers...

like all groups though, there's a bunch of subsets...find yours and remember to try and always give more than you take...

oh yeah, dps is hard man - at least in terms of button mashing, have you ever considered building a healer...

it's kind of given, when things go wrong - it's always the healers fault, but, the gameplay seems to be a little more strategic and a lot less mashing buttons...

Anotherone773 · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

Honestly, and i dont want to offend you, but i would take someone like you into trials. In fact i use to take the "filthy casuals" on raids all the time in games when i ran guilds. Why? Because games are easy mode when everyone is geared to the teeth, is set for max buffs max dps max heals, super tanks that knows the bosses so well they can tank it while watching tv and listening to only group voice chatter,etc. Thats not hard. I can run anything in this game with a bunch of "me"s. That isnt impressive.

What is impressive is running that same content with half a group of nooblets with crafted purple( if your lucky)gear, 6 out of 10 useful skills on their bar, knowing how to bar swap even once during a boss fight, knowing what the red circles mean but not the pretty glowy ones, maybe using a synergy or a synergy ability but almost purely by accident, and know zero about the raid level mechanics ZOS likes to throw in 80% of their instanced PVE content.

When you can run that content with that group, then you will impress me. Running it with a bunch of elitists is not impressive or even difficult. I use to love the challenge of running content with people who were average casual players. It took a while and we died a lot, but it was a lot of fun even if we failed. And the next time they would make it a bit further and then a bit further until finally they could do it.

Now you are expected to be able to do the content before you even put your character in it the first time. Not only do you need to be able to do it but you need to be exceptional at it the first time or they find a replacement for the second time. I miss the old days when i ran guilds that did such content. No time to properly run such a guild these days. Maybe when i retire.

Hippie4927 · November 2019

I'm in the same boat as you, OP. I am an "old lady gamer" who has issues with their hands and plays with a controller. I can't do all that with rotations, animation cancelling, constant weapon swapping, etc. I used to have a group of friends that ran vet dungeons for completion and for fun. If we screwed up, we laughed and got back in there and tried again. My friends have since quit playing and I am left to play alone. I would love to find a group of older, like-minded players to run vet content with. Maybe if enough of us from this thread get together, we would have such a group. If you are interested, hit me up ingame @Hippie4927 .

Aznarb · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

CassandraGemini wrote: »

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What I kind of don't understand is why you are so intent on doing vet stuff in the first place?

Finally thought of a good way to answer this one:

Vets have more mechanics, and not doing all the mechanics has consequences. Normals are a joke - you don't have to do anything except stand there. Mechanics are fun for me, DPS races aren't. Sadly, the two are locked toegether in ESO.

I play almost everyday with 1 crazy oldman who got the same trouble as you.
He can't weave so he can't achievement high number (weave should be removed, let be hoest, many people can't do it due to physical and/or connectivity issue), so he manage little by little to make all his char's build be able to do a max of 35k w/o have to weave.

We have do lot of content togheter, but some are just impossible for him, like frostvault centurion.
Not a big deal, we've carry him through, but at one point there is part of game that are almost impossible due to age or physical problem.

But he still having fun playing with us (even if he's really pissed about server right now).

Take your time, test again and again even if dummies are boring it help a lot to adjust your play style.

SantieClaws · November 2019

Greetings.

You have the understanding of this one.

Chronic pain syndrome affects the paws significantly.

While this one is not a natural dungeoneer anyway it does seem that more and more is focussed around being able to complete dungeons - two of the major updates a year are now all dungeon and more events are dungeon dependant.

It feels sometimes there is less and less to do when dungeons, or any form of intense activity such as arenas, are such a big part of things - when the less intense activities such as housing do not seem to get the time and attention they deserve. It sometimes feels like a long wait for something new this one can do.

Just if there could be both some balance and alternatives perhaps? Where there is a dungeon event offer a quest involving a couple of delves as a choice instead. Where new content is heavily dungeon based offer a little something else too and please do not tie something like a free house or other significant reward to completing a dungeon.

It may seem a remote thing and not top of the list of design issues but we are out there with all our different shapes, pains and limitations. We want to enjoy the content but also we are just as valuable as any other traveller.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Morgha_Kul · November 2019

I'll point out one thing I didn't see mentioned. Yes, people CAN join groups who will carry them through the content, but that's not why most people play. They don't want someone else doing it FOR them, they want to participate and be valuable to the group.

I'm in much the same boat as far as dps. In fact, my dps sits somewhere around 5k. I can't contribute much of anything to a group in a normal dungeon, let alone a veteran one. I'd love to do that content, but I'm just not going to be able to, and I've no interest in being carried through it (especially because I'll want to look around and explore, read the books, take some screenshots, etc.).

Rungar · November 2019

just play a tank or healer. no bs gimmicks required to play.

gatekeeper13 · November 2019

There many people in this game who take ESO too seriously, as if their life depends on clearing a vet Trial with high score or doing a no-death run and react very aggressively against people who they consider not skilled enough. ESO is not the Olympic games, its not the purpose of life, its just a GAME made for people to have fun and a nice time. That's why many people feel distanced from the game's community and dont take part in group activities. I, myself, was harassed very badly when, because of my red-green color blindness, I couldnt stay out of some AoE damage and died. It was the last time I did a vetDLC dungeon with pugs.

If you want my advice: join a nice guild and play only with your guildmates. There are numerous friendly casual Guilds with lots of players. Just check the guild finder.

Grianasteri · November 2019

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Today is a very sad day, yet again I have to sit quietly by while some elitist lectures on why I *should* be able to do 50k DPS, and why you can't clear a vet trial with only 20k DPS.

Sorry, I have a connective tissues disease, carpal tunnel, and other issues. I use a controller because I can't play with keyboard anymore. Yes, I've seen that some people can animation cancel with gamepadUI... well, I can't. Doesn't matter how many hours I spend at a target dummy, I've never been able to animation cancel reliably. Not to meniotn it takes me a week to run run vMA, because my hands get tired and stop working. I'm worthless the day after a vet trial, my hands are shaky.

So I'm not leaving the game this time, but it's really sad that I'm limited to housing and normal dungeons. I mean, no one will take someone with 20k into a vet dungeon, much less a vet DLC. Well, my tank will because I'm not an elitist, but whatever, why would you listen to a scrub like me.

I know far more people with health issues like me who play this game, than those who do "good" DPS.

I hope this post starts a discussion. I'm sure a lot of it will be calling me names, whatever, it's not like the mods care. I hope a dev sees this and feels bad about leaving animation cancelling. This game is great, but all the adults with health issues, arthritis, carpal tunnel, or just plain old slower reflexes can't do a lot of things, because we don't do "good" DPS. Or healing, or tanking.

Gaming isn't just for the kids anymore, but games haven't caught up with the fact that all gamers aren't kids.

No, I don't have a "right" to play content I paid for. Of course, everything should be SUPER HARD because only the BEST deserve to play. Right?

Sure, whatever. I'll be decorating my homes, because that's all I'm good for.

I have been playing ESO for around 4+ years. For the first year or so, I did not even know what dps was, never mind have "good" dps. I played for fun, completing overland content/story. As time moved on and experience grew, I engaged with normal dungeons, then vet dungeons, then pvp, then trials etc etc.

Vet content is of course the main way to acquire monster helms, that was the stage I was at, wishing to add monster sets into my builds. However what I experienced was constantly being kicked from groups for low CPs or low dps. It was a nightmare and very demoralising. This is what prompted me to look into the complexities of ESO game play and I learned about dps, and started parsing and improving.

Here is the reason for my comment. Genuinely, I do not think you have met the right people yet. Once I managed to find a guild(s) with friendly, helpful people, willing to teach and complete difficult content with less experienced players, that is where my real learning and path to what would be considered more "end game" dps started. Earlier on, it was taking hours to complete some of the vet dungeons because we were learning mechs and had "low" dps, but this was fine as I was eager to learn, eager to complete and importantly had experienced, helpful, supportive players with me.

Now for you high dps may never be possible because of your circumstances, but you CAN find helpful, understanding players, willing to support you through a lot of vet content, even if it takes hours (which as I mentioned it may do with low dps).

The 2nd thing I wanted to say was, have you considered healing or tanking? While doing either role effectively in vet requires experience, skill and concentration, neither requires high dps or crazy fast combos of buttons. There are a lot of people who for one reason or another do not enjoy or cannot do the dps role to "end game" standards, many of them find fulfilment in the tank or healer roles.

Id like to point out that being able to do high dps does not make one "better" at eso, I know high end dps players who cannot tank or heal to save themselves, for instance. Not everything is or should be about dps and I do wish more "end gamers" would be less elitist about ESO and remember what it was like to be inexperienced and learning and understand that not everyone can do the dps they do.

Anyway, I hope you find a good group of supportive, friendly players to continue your ESO journey with. Its great to have you here.
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