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Are you okay with ESO getting on path of P2W model?
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Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A person with more inventory space has no competitive advantage over a player with less space. You’ve done quite the mental acrobatics to consider that p2w.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
Rezdayn✭✭✭✭✭NoWoodoochill wrote: »Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.
I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?
Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
Oh wow they started. RIP. You will have a lot of people saying this is okay. Then when its 10 slots it will be okay. Then when the mount is faster than other peoples mounts it will be okay. Then... then... then...
This was always going to happen...2 -
karthrag_inak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭5 more slots in your inventory isnt winning. Anything.
Its pay 4 convenience.
@ArchMikem do you honestly believe that this is going to stop at a single item that grants only 5 slots?
yes, next, before you know it, they'll offer a horse that can carry -10- extra items.
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The extra storage is great. I have zero interest in buying progress or power. But I also have almost 30k in crowns with nothing useful to spend it on. I've been sitting on crowns for a long time. I will consider the inventory pets.
Edit: Bought it. Down to 27k crowns until more slots are available or more inventory pets. Possible balance goes up higher if I re-sub before either of those items are released.Edited by DaveMoeDee on November 11, 2019 1:54PM0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »So you might as well ask is offering ESO+ for double bank space and infinite crafting bag being on the path of pay to win.
Same with buying houses -- people have to store excess furnishings in houses because otherwise their inventory would be full. Is buying houses for furnishing inventory space part of your P2W complaint too? Because houses cost A LOT of crowns and a lot of them can't be earned in-game or bought with gold and they can't be gifted.
Storage space can be achieved with free mule characters. No grind or no money needed. Just bypass tutorial and park naked in bank.
Housing is 100% cosmetic except if you need/want a place to drop your storage chests, and there are numerous free houses in game the serve that purpose.
The pig is a source of stats that can ONLY be acquired with real life money.
Stats that have zero impact in combat.2 -
YesI don't see why not it's not exactly P2W. I mean we pretty have to pay for everything in this game now days anyways. It's just a matter of time before they make vMA / Master weapons buy-able on the crown store.
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If anything it would be great if in-game gold could be converted crowns on the store. People are pretty much trading it with each other already.. Also we pay for pretty much everything already even things that should be free or bought with gold. So this would work nicely although zos would lose a lot of money doing it this way.. which will prob be a problem for them.Edited by gplumblingnrb18_ESO on November 11, 2019 2:04PM0 -
Grandesdar✭✭✭Such a biased poll. You gotta accept that it is supposedly went P2W to give your opinion between the two choices. Boohoo, that guy in cyrodiil killed us all because he had 5 extra inventory slots!!! It's P2W game for sure!!Edited by Grandesdar on November 11, 2019 2:10PMMain: The Charismatic StamDK DD
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i dont think this is p2w nor do i care...at the same time looking at bethesdas history i have no doubt this is an acceptance test and monetization will only get worse... im kinda glad there are so many good games on the horizon ^^0 -
vibeborn✭✭✭✭✭NoWhile I don't consider the pet p2w, I wouldn't want the game to go down a p2w route that affects gameplay itself.0
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GraphicArtistYT✭✭✭NoWoodoochill wrote: »Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.
I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?
Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
It's already pay to win1 -
ZarkingFrued✭✭✭✭✭
✭Woodoochill wrote: »Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.
I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?
Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
New poll,
Is this pole slanted to fit the OPs opinion?
*YES
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ZarkingFrued✭✭✭✭✭
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Pretty sure you're missing the point. This can be bought with ESO gold from many players. What they pay to get it is 100% irrelevant as you're claiming its p2w because you cant afford it in cash. You don't have to afford it in cash. Move on. Its 5 slots of inventory. Literally 75% of ESO thinks these threads are a waste of timethesoundofwolf wrote: »dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »Your definition of p2w is skewed. A few more slots aren't going to impact much honestly. Also, you can obtain this through other means by paying gold for crowns. The skyshard and other things have to be done on one tune first in order to purchase.
Judging by your poll and your opening comments you are that person who can't see past your own experience so this won't get read anyway.
Also if you need 1200 crowns I can just Paypal you some or even send you the gold to get your pig, bc I grind and trade for all the millions of gold I have in-game. Nothing is p2w and the cash shop is optional, not necessary to enjoy the game.
Someone had to spend money still to do the gold crown exchange lol.
Its like you are missing the point.
I'll buy it for you with my own eso gold if you'll stop clogging the forums with these posts.Edited by ZarkingFrued on November 11, 2019 4:57PM0 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭It was an outrage, I was in PvP and was killed by the non-combat pet. I then bought the non-combat pet myself and solo'd vSS. /s
Loaded question, and completely wrong on P2W.
5 inventory spots does help you win. It might save you an emergency trip to a vendor / decon station, but that is not winning, that is QOL.
If you were in a fight with somebody that has an INFINITE inventory, that would still not give them any combat advantage over you in PvP nor in any trial.
Love this reply. Both humorous and so correct.
Except it is incorrect. Ever increasing amount of clutter with 2014 inventory limits presents such a massive time sink in form of dumping rubbish from inventory and shifting load between mules to make room for crafting on given character (or to just make that character playable) that reasonably active players may waste several hours per week doing just that, or literally hundreds of hours per year. If you fought somebody of (initially) equal skill who spent several hundreds of hours more than you (because he had infinite inventory and was free from doing aforementioned chores) on improving gear or simply practicing, even though overall he spent the same amount of time in game as you, you can bet he would have an advantage. If he paid for that advantage, here you go - P2W.Edited by JamilaRaj on November 11, 2019 5:40PM1 -
SirLeeMinion✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI'd contend that it's more "pay for convenience" rather than P2W, but it's a solid step in the direction of micro-transactions. It means that, rather than making the buy to play game we purchased convenient, they'll find further ways to make problems that can be solved by money.
No, I don't want an annoying pet just to have 5 more slots.
...and if they start offering a potion that gives 10 slots for one hour and costs 50 crowns I'll invest in more tinfoil for my hat.0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Except it is incorrect. Ever increasing amount of clutter with 2014 inventory limits presents such a massive time sink in form of dumping rubbish from inventory and shifting load between mules to make room for crafting on given character (or to just make that character playable) that reasonably active players may waste several hours per week doing just that, or literally hundreds of hours per year.
So, literally, pay for convenience?
(also, do you seriously spend that much time mucking with your inventory? If so, you need to work on cutting down un-necessary clutter, not get more inventory space. Do you really need to carry all that stuff with you?)1 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭YesWoodoochill wrote: »Subject of poll: New crownstore pet which increases inventory space by 5 slots accountwide for 1200 crowns.
I am not going do discuss with anyone whether it is or it is not P2W since it clearly follows the basic idea of advantage over regular players because they are unable to acquire it without spending crowns for it (I might be mistaken but can't find in under "not collected" pets where ingame obtainable pets are but if so, this poll is meaningless).
So far the crownstore items were only affecting the appearence of characters and fastening progress on alts (sky shards completion, skill lines, etc.) because you had to complete given achievement on any char. Upgrades like Bank space and inventory space could be bought but not exceed amount of inventory available by ingame methods, same for riding lessons.
Edit: Please notice that it got its own new category of "Inventory pets" so we can expect more of them coming which means how far will it go? 10 slots? 50 slots? 100slots?
Edit2: Read the question again. If you are reading it over and over and still see it as "is the pet p2w?" then head here.
"Are you okay with kicking puppies?"
That's not even a question made in good faith. Not to mention that you completely reject responsibility for providing any evidence whatsoever that 5 additional inventory slots are P2W. You haven't even defined who these victimized 'regular players' are supposed to be.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"1 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoThe boar is not luxury or P2W in my eyes, it is simply ZOS capitalising on game changes over the years by adding multiple new sets, adding new items, not addressing stackable items since launch.
Everyone know ESO is an engineered inventory management issue where it is essential to use an external addon to have any guess what your account has and to subscribe for extra bag space just to have some QoL, for any older players or any player who actually plays multiple characters of said account.
[snip] Most wouldnt keep much gear but since ZOS overhauls combat system regularly, it is stupid to throw out sets/items now only to re farm them in xtime later.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2023 5:37PM0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭NoWe're never going to get a game that is financially friendly to consumers when the playerbase thinks buying skill lines is fine, but 5 inventory slots is a problem. Why would ZOS even begin to design the game around friendly monetization models when ya'll cheer for the garbage and then cry about the minuscule stuff?
Guess ESO plus is p2w as well since you get a 10% experience boost and craft bag that cannot be gotten by other means.
Edited by J2JMC on November 11, 2019 6:33PMKnee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
"Apparently the players are more informed than we are"-Richard Lambert1 -
svartorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoIt's not P2W. It's not anywhere close to it.
If they do allow paid advantages over non-paying players (IE: Electronic Arts making the most powerful characters available via cash only) I'd be pretty upset.0 -
PrimusNephilim✭✭✭✭✭The game is not headed for pay to win scenario and frankly, I'm glad I don't have to repeat the Psijic Order Questline again for one of my alts...I did it twice and was about ready to throw my controller out the window by the end of the second time running that quest.
ZOS, you got that one right! Thank you!1 -
Ascarl✭✭✭✭✭YesI dislike polls which have two choices which only reflect the mindset of the questioner and leave little choice for the respondent.
By answering yes or no I have to agree that this is valid question which in my humble opinion is not the case. Your interpretation of pay to win is far from the original meaning of that phrase.
For me this is all about mass hysteria.
Just me two cents.1 -
FinneganFroth✭✭✭✭✭[snip] Pay for convenience and pay to win are not the same thing, sorry.
[edited for rude/insulting comment]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2023 5:34PM0 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Except it is incorrect. Ever increasing amount of clutter with 2014 inventory limits presents such a massive time sink in form of dumping rubbish from inventory and shifting load between mules to make room for crafting on given character (or to just make that character playable) that reasonably active players may waste several hours per week doing just that, or literally hundreds of hours per year.
So, literally, pay for convenience?
(also, do you seriously spend that much time mucking with your inventory? If so, you need to work on cutting down un-necessary clutter, not get more inventory space. Do you really need to carry all that stuff with you?)
No, I quit.
I do not think you quite comprehend the scale of it; cutting down unnecessary clutter itself has become over time remarkably time consuming, easily in order of hours weekly. God forbid you want to decon or give it some consideration before you dump garbage, then the overhead would soar. And if you cut down on cutting down, then you have full inv and can not function, there is no way out. ZOS has it well covered.
EDIT: furthermore, let me point out that players with low inventory limits are least efficient at cutting down unnecessary clutter, even when they a) want to keep the same amount of items as players with more space (i.e. also throw away the same amount) and b) that amount of items actually does fit in. The reason is that, because the difference between number of items they keep and the cap is smaller, they have to perform clean-ups more frequently as they keep hitting the cap.
If you do not have big enough inventory to keep all the clutter, you may end up throwing away worms several times during single session, instead of once after it ends. If it took player with a lot of (paid) space 10 minutes per week to throw away everything once, and you throw away each type of clutter 10 times, go figure.Edited by JamilaRaj on November 12, 2019 9:48PM0 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesArnt the storage boxes, which technically increase your overall storage crown store only? Nobody made such a fuss about them, [snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2023 5:38PMNA PC | AD
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Arnt the storage boxes, which technically increase your overall storage crown store only? Nobody made such a fuss about them, [snip]
Not only they aren't crown only, they can be bought in so many different ways...
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2023 5:40PM0 -
Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, they gotta make money some way. With the current trend toward re-skinned, regurgitated content and asinine combat changes, people sure won't be holding on to subscriptions long term.0 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭You have always been able to buy inventory space with Crowns.
The pets add 5 slots, also bought with Crowns.
If you squint and look at it from a distance with your head cocked just so, at worst it’s “pay to increase inventory space by an infinitesimal amount”.
Not really sure how 5 inventory slots helps anyone to have a definite advantage so that they “win”.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
YMMV.Edited by mikemacon on November 12, 2019 6:22PM1
